gwg: hi Ben, hi Rama
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donghui: morning everyone
rama: good morning
rama: we are waiting for jane?
rama: and val?
gwg: and Chris and Seth
eurie: and val
rama: ho yea...
rachaelhuntley: Jane left to work from home 20min ago, she may have forgotten
gwg: does she know the clocks have changed in the US?
rachaelhuntley: i'll send an email to awg
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eurie: I did mention it to her in an email
gwg: she might just be fashionably late in that case
rama: Seth, no chris?
hitz: we may as well start without him, he has to leave at 9 he said
sjcarbon: it looks chrisless--lemme call...
sjcarbon: has other meeting
eurie: ok let's start then.
eurie: First up: drum roll...
eurie: results of voting on amigo featuures
eurie: Amelia, the envelope?
gwg: I have the results here
gwg: I would do them in reverse order but they're not really all that exciting!
gwg: 3) Download option for search results
gwg: those are all the features that got voted on
gwg: I haven't included map2slim, termfinder and IEAs
gwg: the top five were
gwg: Download options
gwg: Search results, sorted
gwg: searching with mis-spelled terms (query suggestion?)
gwg: Improved gene product search
gwg: and a tie in 5th place between Organize and allow filtering species by kingdom and Advanced Search radio button
rama: I thought we will do the radio button any way
gwg: If all those get done, I will do the other ones that got voted for
gwg: yeah, there are a couple which won't take any time at all
gwg: er, that's ot
eurie: Cool - any comment about feasibility of implementation of the top 5 for June?
gwg: well, I think Seth and Chris are working on various output format writers, so they should be ok
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gwg: the improved gene product search item is already done in the dev version I'm working on
rama: hi jane
j-lo: sorry - that extra hour fooled me
gwg: the advanced search radio button will be quick
gwg: the filtering species by kingdom one will need extra info put into the database
eurie: Sounds good. cool! we have a plan.
gwg: search results, sorted, will require some searching questions to be asked of working group members
hitz: I can take a look at the species db one once I deal with the IEAs.
gwg: OK, cool
eurie: all right, any other comments on the top five?
eurie: To restate:
gwg: do you have any kind of time frame for the IEAs? Every time it gets mentioned on the mailing list, Mike C. seems to quickly quash any suggestions
rama: query suggestion?
gwg: I will have to ask various questions for that one
rama: i.e suggesting terms when the query is mis-spelled
j-lo: (can someone list the top 5 for the latecomers please?)
gwg: latecomer, you mean?
eurie: Download options, Sorted search results, searching with mis-spelled terms, improved gene product search, a tie in 5th place between Organize and allow filtering species by kingdom and Advanced Search radio button
j-lo: great. So have we decided to add the enrichment tool and map2slim anyway?
gwg: yep, think so
eurie: ok, if no other comments on the new features to be included in June, we'll move onto the next item?
gwg: go for it
rama: since couple of items from the top five are almost done, do we want to move couple from the bottom five
eurie: I think there's a fair amount of testing and feedback that will likely need to happen for each of these. Especially if map2slim
eurie: and term enrichment are added.
gwg: yeah, I was going to do that Rama.
eurie: we might just want to limit ourselves to these new features to maintain our sanity and testing cycles
j-lo: avoid the usual feature creep
rama: yea, that is lot of testing.
rama: and all these are still going to be AmiGO 1.0?
gwg: we might call some of them AmiGO 1.5
eurie: So will these features be sent out for testing as they are finished or is there a point when all features will be sent out?
eurie: I mean these 5 we've voted on
gwg: maybe see how it goes
gwg: the little things won't require a whole lot of testing, e.g. the advanced gp search thing
gwg: but things like the misspelling will need to be developed with input from the AWG
hitz: misspelling I think will be quite hard to make effecient
eurie: I think with the current AmiGO, it's difficult to assume that any testing will be "little"
eurie: even "small changes" might have huge unforeseen impact.
sjcarbon: the little things seem to break the most
eurie: joys of amigo 1.0
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rachaelhuntley: i'd sooner test things as they are finished rather than do a lot of testing all at once
gwg: yes, I think that's probably a better approach
hitz: I think that would work OK as long as we tested on development servers.
hitz: it's a pain (for me, mostly) to do lots of little production releases
gwg: so test on the toy server, do you mean?
hitz: we should probably set up a stanford dev server on the new machines.
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gwg: I wonder what's happened to Eurie
donghui: are we done with the meeting? there was a long silence.
gwg: we've lost eurie, who was chairing
rama: I have just sent her an email. I will also call her
gwg: thanks rama
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donghui: welcome back
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eurie: oops -
eurie: i had no idea i had been disconnected!
eurie: i was typing for like 5 minutes
eurie: and wondering why no one was saying anything!
pascale: we're all asleep!
eurie: so did any of the next agenda item make it through?
rama: not yet.
rama: we were talking about testing, setting up dev servers at Stanford
gwg: and then, in a great puff of smoke, you reappeared!
eurie: ok - i just got rama's email catching up on the lost conversation
hitz: we will probably just use the same machine(s), but different url
eurie: so is that the plan for testing?
hitz: the consensus seems to be to test often rather than everything at once. I am not sure that's actually best, though.
hitz: for one, you still have to test EVERYTHING.
hitz: I would think it's easier to test all at once
pascale: I agree
sjcarbon: but the feedback cycle for the developers is more difficult and shorter if it goes all at once
hitz: of course, it really depends on the individual change.
sjcarbon: for more cosmetic things, the toy servers should be fine anyways
sjcarbon: i would agree that "production" testing should happen all at once
sjcarbon: but that is pretty much a different part of the development cycle anyways
eurie: ok, so it sounds like for some sorts of additions, a smaller testing cycle on toy (berkeley) would be sufficient to give immediate feedback to developers. but "production" testing needs to require testing everything at once.
eurie: so in the last 10 minutes, let's discuss this idea of integrating AmiGO with the rest of the web site better
eurie: we've made one step of having the base url of amigo and the web pages the same (both geneontology.org instead of one being godatabase.org)
eurie: but do you think we should move further towards integrating the web site and amigo?
eurie: some initial thoughts -
eurie: combining amigo home page with GO home page so that documentation is readily avaialble from AmiGO?
gwg: the GO home page is too messy for that I think
eurie: maybe we need tosimply the GO home page?
gwg: The news items should be cut down to just headlines, I reckon
eurie: Here's another food for thought - does all the documentation need to be front and center for the users?
eurie: When a user clicks on "Documentation", do they really want to see an "editorial style guide" as one of the first options?
eurie: What sorts of topics and documentation do we want users to have easier and faster and more obvious access to?
gwg: that needs to be moved on to the wiki really, but there's stuff which might be useful for users in it to... it needs sorting out
gwg: it would be useful if for nodes which have documentation, we had a link from the terms in amigo to the docs
gwg: interest groups could possibly be linked up similarly
eurie: yeah, we do link from the evidence codes to the docs.
eurie: maybe we need to link more between amigo and the docs
gwg: but you don't want to take things too far and just make it confusing for the users
eurie: yup, exactly
eurie: It's not necessarily something we need to decide right here and now. but something to continue to think about - this idea of trying to make navigation among the different web sites of GO more seamless and easy.
rama: yeap, something to think about.
eurie: anyone else want to pipe in on this before we close out the meeting?
rama: any action items?
eurie: I don't think so
eurie: any other items folks want to bring up?
rama: okay, just making sure
eurie: rama, can you email the transcript?
rama: i will
eurie: my window closed out when I got booted
eurie: ok - next meeting March 27th?
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