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10/11/2007 17:28:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: hi Erika! 10/11/2007 17:28:51 PM from erika to All Attendees: Hi Midori 10/11/2007 17:29:10 PM from erika to All Attendees: How are you doing? 10/11/2007 17:29:32 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: Fine; how are you? 10/11/2007 17:29:37 PM from erika to All Attendees: I am quite tired :-( 10/11/2007 17:29:52 PM from erika to All Attendees: but happy because we have finished with the muscle meeting stuff 10/11/2007 17:29:59 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: that's great!!! 10/11/2007 17:30:08 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: (and a good reason to be tired) 10/11/2007 17:30:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: hi 10/11/2007 17:30:43 PM from erika to All Attendees: Ageda for today says that it is a very important meeting 10/11/2007 17:30:47 PM from erika to All Attendees: Hi Jen 10/11/2007 17:31:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: another really important one? 10/11/2007 17:31:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: gosh 10/11/2007 17:31:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I love the new menu item called 'change inverse necessity to true' 10/11/2007 17:32:20 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: there's no accounting for taste ;) 10/11/2007 17:32:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Is that a psychological phenomenon? 10/11/2007 17:32:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: :-) 10/11/2007 17:32:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: what can it mean? 10/11/2007 17:33:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Attendees: Hi, all. 10/11/2007 17:33:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi 10/11/2007 17:33:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: how's it going? 10/11/2007 17:33:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Our little boy didn't wake up until 7:50 this morning. It felt like a vacation. 10/11/2007 17:33:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: wow! 10/11/2007 17:34:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: note to self: do not have children 10/11/2007 17:34:09 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: parenthood makes ya easy to please 10/11/2007 17:34:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's true - I'll do any old kind of heroin now. I don't need any fancy-schmancy turkish white these days. 10/11/2007 17:35:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: would that explain the menu option 'change inverse necessity to true'? 10/11/2007 17:35:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: It intrigues me 10/11/2007 17:35:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No, that refers to an obscure OBO 1.0 feature that we have never really used. I'm going to ask Chris to deprecate it in OBO 1.3 10/11/2007 17:35:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh ok 10/11/2007 17:36:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I thought it was *the future* 10/11/2007 17:36:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shame 10/11/2007 17:36:09 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think we should deprecate all the necessity and cardinality features of OBO 10/11/2007 17:36:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: okey dokey 10/11/2007 17:36:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wont ask what they are then 10/11/2007 17:36:30 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: that's out of my league anyway 10/11/2007 17:36:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: To answer your question about the graph viz viewer... 10/11/2007 17:36:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: suspense 10/11/2007 17:37:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I removed it because it wasn't working anyway - changes I made in the selection system for OBO-Edit 2.0 had rendered it useless, and starting it up would only do one thing: hose your config files. 10/11/2007 17:37:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I thought it safer to remove it entirely. 10/11/2007 17:37:25 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: drat. 10/11/2007 17:37:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh dear 10/11/2007 17:37:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so we have to stick with 1.101 until we can use the graph editor? 10/11/2007 17:37:46 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: reasonable course of action, but we miss it 10/11/2007 17:38:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Well, the graph viz viewer is more like the Graph DAG Viewer than the Graph Editor... 10/11/2007 17:38:32 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I'll probably keep 1.101 around for when I want graphics to put in talks & papers ... 10/11/2007 17:38:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I might work up to the graph DAG viewer then 10/11/2007 17:39:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes, good idea Midori 10/11/2007 17:39:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What's lacking the graph dag viewer that the graphviz component has? Maybe I can just add it to the OBO-Edit 2.0 graphing stuff? 10/11/2007 17:39:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: ("lacking in" I meant) 10/11/2007 17:39:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm still in training for the graph DAG viewer. I made it to 20 minutes use today before it hosed my brain. I'm going to test it on david tomorrow 10/11/2007 17:40:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think it just takes brain training 10/11/2007 17:40:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I had a question about that, Jen... 10/11/2007 17:40:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes? 10/11/2007 17:40:31 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: for me it's mainly the appearance, including that it can be configured separately from the main gui 10/11/2007 17:40:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that's also inportant 10/11/2007 17:41:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Or maybe it's Midori. Anyway, someone said that when they clicked a term in the ontology editor panel, they wanted the whole path to expand in the graph editor. 10/11/2007 17:41:15 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: that was Jen 10/11/2007 17:41:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that was me 10/11/2007 17:41:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/11/2007 17:41:25 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: see, we've got our story straight! 10/11/2007 17:41:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true! 10/11/2007 17:41:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's quite easy for me to add that, but I wanted to make sure that everyone wants it to behave this way. If there's disagreement, I'll make it configurable. 10/11/2007 17:41:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm not quite sure yet as I haven't used it much 10/11/2007 17:42:02 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: same here 10/11/2007 17:42:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: would configurable be hard? 10/11/2007 17:42:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it seems like this may be the new big thing and configurable is always good 10/11/2007 17:42:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It would probably add 10 minutes to this 30 minute task. 10/11/2007 17:42:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: which one? 10/11/2007 17:42:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Configurability would add 10 minutes to the 30 minute task of automatic path expansion 10/11/2007 17:42:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh well that would be very very good then 10/11/2007 17:42:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/11/2007 17:42:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thank you 10/11/2007 17:43:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we're a little sparsely populated today aren't we? 10/11/2007 17:43:33 PM from erika to All Attendees: yes, we are 10/11/2007 17:43:47 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I've just forwarded the invite to Harold, cos he's reported a search bug 10/11/2007 17:43:47 PM from erika to All Participants: yes, we are 10/11/2007 17:43:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is it just general chit chat today or is there excitement to be had? 10/11/2007 17:44:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Here we go. 10/11/2007 17:44:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did you get lost? 10/11/2007 17:44:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I got dumped about a minute ago. 10/11/2007 17:44:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway, I was saying - 10/11/2007 17:44:39 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ... and Karen E has just mailed a question to the wg list 10/11/2007 17:45:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I was just asking if there is anything important today as I think Erika is double booked and might appreciate being elsewhere if she would not be missing anything 10/11/2007 17:45:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Just one thing, I guess - 10/11/2007 17:45:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes? 10/11/2007 17:45:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: On the developers list, I got 2 votes for the massive rearrangement of OBO-Edit that I suggested on the Wiki. 10/11/2007 17:45:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I didn't really know enought to comment 10/11/2007 17:46:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That's enough for me to act, so last night I started taking everything apart. 10/11/2007 17:46:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh good plan 10/11/2007 17:46:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The short version is that things that have worked for a long, long time might start behaving weirdly. Keep an eye out. 10/11/2007 17:46:28 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I go neutral & quiet when talk turns to code innards. 10/11/2007 17:46:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we'll keep an eye out 10/11/2007 17:46:54 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I have been noticing weirdness ... but since before last night! 10/11/2007 17:47:06 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Are we gonna talk bugs today? 10/11/2007 17:47:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think so - Erika, you're free to go. 10/11/2007 17:47:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: should we make another testing list for post-rearrangement? 10/11/2007 17:47:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: bye erika 10/11/2007 17:47:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think everyone's pre-rearrangement list should still do fine. 10/11/2007 17:47:34 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: bye! 10/11/2007 17:47:37 PM from erika to All Participants: I will stay 10/11/2007 17:47:41 PM from erika to All Participants: for a while 10/11/2007 17:47:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: okay :-) 10/11/2007 17:47:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Back to what I was saying a second ago - 10/11/2007 17:48:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen, I saw your nice email about the new link expander popup in the graph viewer. that was one of two possible interfaces I thought of, and I chose the easier one. 10/11/2007 17:48:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it rocks 10/11/2007 17:48:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: perfect :-) 10/11/2007 17:48:50 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The other possibility was to list the links in a table where you could click the column headers and sort by term name or relationship type id (like in the search results panel) 10/11/2007 17:49:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Would you like to see that kind of interface, or is the current thing good enough? 10/11/2007 17:49:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think that if there were enough that we'd need such complication then I'd just use the ontology editor panel 10/11/2007 17:49:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Hi Karen! 10/11/2007 17:49:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: to seletc the child 10/11/2007 17:49:36 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: hi 10/11/2007 17:49:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think the current thing is great 10/11/2007 17:50:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Excellent! 10/11/2007 17:50:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hi, Karen. 10/11/2007 17:50:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I imagine you've logged on to get some love for your filtering question. 10/11/2007 17:50:30 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: absolutely 10/11/2007 17:50:35 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: I need love 10/11/2007 17:50:43 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (now he reads minds ... or emails) 10/11/2007 17:51:02 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: Actually its really for colin batchellor who needs it more than me. 10/11/2007 17:51:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There are two ways of handling this, and both involve global filtering. 10/11/2007 17:51:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You could either add a global link filter that says "hide all disjoint_from links" 10/11/2007 17:51:48 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: would this hid the disjoint from children> 10/11/2007 17:52:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Or you can take the more general approach (like ZFIN does) and add a global link filter that says "hide all non-transitive links" 10/11/2007 17:52:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It would hide the disjoint_from children under parents to which a term has a disjoint_from relationship./ 10/11/2007 17:52:53 PM from karen Eilbeck to All Participants: OK. I'll try this and get back to you . Thanks for letting me interupt your session. 10/11/2007 17:53:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Good luck! 10/11/2007 17:53:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, who wants to lay some bugs on me? 10/11/2007 17:53:24 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: me! me! 10/11/2007 17:53:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I have a question: 10/11/2007 17:53:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: What do you want us to do when a supposedly fixed bug turns out not to be fixed? 10/11/2007 17:53:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: New SF item or reopen the old one? 10/11/2007 17:54:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Reopen the bug report, I think. That way the old info is available. 10/11/2007 17:54:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What's still broken? 10/11/2007 17:54:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok, here I go! 10/11/2007 17:54:30 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: My drag-n-drop is still getting "stuck". 10/11/2007 17:54:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would sound really funny out of context 10/11/2007 17:55:21 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: <giggle> anyway ... Have you reproduced this, or do you want me to show you? 10/11/2007 17:55:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does this happen no matter what you drag and drop? 10/11/2007 17:55:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Maybe you're doing something I didn't try - 10/11/2007 17:55:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway, you should probably demo it. 10/11/2007 17:55:54 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I tihnk so ... I have one or two drag/drops- work, and ten I can only do the same kind of operation as the one(s) that worked. 10/11/2007 17:56:35 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok, I"ve got beta15 running, with GO loaded, so I'm ready to share. 10/11/2007 17:57:18 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: do you see my obo-edit? 10/11/2007 17:57:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I do now. 10/11/2007 17:57:35 PM from erika to All Participants: no 10/11/2007 17:57:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You'll have to do this quite slowly 10/11/2007 17:57:53 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok, trying again ... 10/11/2007 17:58:32 PM from erika to All Participants: I can see oboedit 10/11/2007 17:59:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's gone 10/11/2007 17:59:16 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: hmm, of course with John watching it works ... 10/11/2007 17:59:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: maybe you coudl record it? 10/11/2007 17:59:40 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: It seems I can type in the chat window OR you can see my o-e 10/11/2007 17:59:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think I'm going to need a step-by-step script to reproduce this one 10/11/2007 17:59:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that's a mac thing 10/11/2007 18:00:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'm sure I know what *kind* of thing is happening, but I need to make it happen myself to fix it. 10/11/2007 18:00:07 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: anyway, I"m going to try using hotkeys, because there *may* be a connection. 10/11/2007 18:00:17 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I'll also send gory details ... 10/11/2007 18:01:15 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: GOT IT! 10/11/2007 18:01:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: So what happened? 10/11/2007 18:01:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I saw it too 10/11/2007 18:01:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I couldn't really tell what was going on 10/11/2007 18:01:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Was it related to hotkeys? 10/11/2007 18:01:44 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: OK, did you see two drags, both with 'add parent' in the popup? 10/11/2007 18:01:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: YEs. 10/11/2007 18:02:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Yes, there seems to be a hotkey link -- I held down the 'p' key the first time, but NOT the second. 10/11/2007 18:02:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hmm... can you include all this info on the bug report? 10/11/2007 18:02:53 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Another thing about the hotkeys - I can't get them to work consistently. 10/11/2007 18:03:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: They won't work once you're dragging. 10/11/2007 18:03:05 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: There seems to be improvement, because before they didn't work at all and now they work sometimes, but it's not reliable. 10/11/2007 18:03:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The no-hotkeys-while-dragging thing is, I'm afraid, unsolvable. 10/11/2007 18:03:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: We'd have to use a different programming language to fix it. 10/11/2007 18:04:05 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: But are they supposed to work as in 1.x if I press the key first? 10/11/2007 18:04:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If you press the key before you start dragging, yes. 10/11/2007 18:04:30 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: 'cause at the moment I'm not sure it helps to push the key down first ... I'll check again 10/11/2007 18:05:07 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: anyway, now my oboedit is stuck on 'add parent', so I'll have to restart it to get the other operations back. 10/11/2007 18:05:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Wait - what does that mean? 10/11/2007 18:05:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: "stuck" or "get the other operations back" upon restart? 10/11/2007 18:05:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You can't select anything else from the drag and drop menu, or every time you drag anything it says "Add parent?" 10/11/2007 18:05:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: yep! 10/11/2007 18:06:05 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: watch (look ma, no hotkeys) 10/11/2007 18:06:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Now that's interesting! 10/11/2007 18:06:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let me take a quick look at something - 10/11/2007 18:06:56 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: trust me, I just dragged, without holding any keys down 10/11/2007 18:06:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll be back in 2 minutes 10/11/2007 18:07:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: what was it that happened there Midori? I didn't quite get it. 10/11/2007 18:08:11 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I tried to drag and drop, but the only thing Obo-edit would do is add another parent. No option to add chile, move, or merge. 10/11/2007 18:08:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 10/11/2007 18:08:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (add child ... we're not in alabama ;) ) 10/11/2007 18:08:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :) 10/11/2007 18:08:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so you clicked and dragged? 10/11/2007 18:08:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and there was a menu? 10/11/2007 18:09:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did you hold a hotkey then drag? 10/11/2007 18:09:12 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: yes, but only the menu to select the relationship type 10/11/2007 18:09:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It keeps behaving as if she has a hotkey down even when she doesn't 10/11/2007 18:09:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 10/11/2007 18:09:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: that's right 10/11/2007 18:09:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: gunge under the keyboard? 10/11/2007 18:09:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/11/2007 18:09:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I suspect that the drag and drop system is interacting with my "what key is down" detector in an awful way. 10/11/2007 18:09:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Also, I've only had shift+hotkey work once, in a dozen or more tries. 10/11/2007 18:09:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ooooooo 10/11/2007 18:10:10 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: it doen't seem to notice when I let go of the key 10/11/2007 18:10:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hmm... what to do... 10/11/2007 18:10:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, what about this - 10/11/2007 18:10:39 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I would think gunge would also affect 1.101 ;) 10/11/2007 18:10:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 10/11/2007 18:10:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What if I add a little control to the top of the ontology editor panel that lets you pick what the drag operation means - 10/11/2007 18:11:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I loves me some hotkeys ... 10/11/2007 18:11:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hold on, Midori, I'm getting there - 10/11/2007 18:11:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It might be a drop down that contains "General", "Add parent", "Add child", and all the other hotkeyed drag operations. 10/11/2007 18:11:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: When you drag and drop, it does what's in the dropdown... 10/11/2007 18:11:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: and the hotkeys control what appears in that dropdown. 10/11/2007 18:11:55 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: hmmm .... I guess I'd have to try it. It does sound better than drilling through the menus every time I want to do a link operation. 10/11/2007 18:12:18 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Wait, that last bit got me confused. Example? 10/11/2007 18:12:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That way there isn't a need to solve this tricky timing problem between the keyboard manager and the drag and drop system. 10/11/2007 18:12:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: For example - 10/11/2007 18:12:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: When you press "P" while the ontology editor panel is focused, the dropdown immediately switches to "Add parent" 10/11/2007 18:13:25 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: By magic? Do I have to choose anything from the dropdown? 10/11/2007 18:13:41 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: 'cos what I love so much about hotkeys is that it saves a lot of mousing 10/11/2007 18:13:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: does it do it when you are typing in the text editor? 10/11/2007 18:14:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No. You can use the mouse if you want to, but you can also use hotkeys to switch the contents of this hypothetical dropdown. 10/11/2007 18:14:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: brilliant. 10/11/2007 18:14:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It won't interact with any text editing component, it'll only work when the ontology editor panel is focused. 10/11/2007 18:14:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh righty 10/11/2007 18:14:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sounds good 10/11/2007 18:14:40 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: what I want is to add parents, children, etc. with minimal mousage. 10/11/2007 18:14:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (The meaning of "focused" is complex, but "recently clicked" is a decent synonym) 10/11/2007 18:14:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that sounds good 10/11/2007 18:15:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: if you are making that little menu 10/11/2007 18:15:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: could you possibly write the shortcuts in? 10/11/2007 18:15:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can never remember them 10/11/2007 18:15:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Totally. Also, I'm using dropdown to mean "combo box", not "pulldown menu" 10/11/2007 18:15:29 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: for me they're muscle memory by now! ;) 10/11/2007 18:15:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: could you also make one for ad is_a child and one for add part_of child? 10/11/2007 18:16:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes, but - 10/11/2007 18:16:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: How should I do that? Since there could be any number of relationship types in an ontology, how do I know what hotkey to assign to which relationship type? 10/11/2007 18:17:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 10/11/2007 18:17:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Here's a possibility! 10/11/2007 18:17:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What if the hotkeys only work once the "types" popup menu appears. 10/11/2007 18:17:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would be fine by me 10/11/2007 18:17:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Then, I can automatically make up hotkeys based on a relationship types 10/11/2007 18:17:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: 's position in the list 10/11/2007 18:18:08 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: having trouble visualizing again ... remind me what makes this popup appear ... 10/11/2007 18:18:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: This is the popup menu that appears when you hold down P and drag and drop (in a perfect world) 10/11/2007 18:19:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It contains a list of all the available relationship types 10/11/2007 18:19:20 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok, I get it 10/11/2007 18:19:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: thanks, and sounds fine 10/11/2007 18:19:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes sounds good 10/11/2007 18:19:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Question - 10/11/2007 18:20:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: This could be very confusing to new users. Should we make the dropdown of drag and drop operations always switch back to "default" once you've completed a drag and drop? 10/11/2007 18:20:35 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: that would be ok, I think 10/11/2007 18:20:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I tend to do a lot of the same operation 10/11/2007 18:20:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so I might prefer it to stay where I put it 10/11/2007 18:21:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll make it configurable then. Savvy gals like you can put it in "sticky" mode. 10/11/2007 18:21:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: gosh 10/11/2007 18:21:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sounds clever 10/11/2007 18:21:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks 10/11/2007 18:21:29 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: yay! 10/11/2007 18:21:38 PM from erika to All Participants: Guys, I think I need to go 10/11/2007 18:21:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: david will be impressed at that. It's one of the things that will help in content meetings 10/11/2007 18:21:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: bye erika 10/11/2007 18:21:47 PM from erika to All Participants: Thanks for the chat 10/11/2007 18:21:50 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Bye erika. 10/11/2007 18:21:50 PM from erika to All Participants: bye 10/11/2007 18:21:55 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: bye, erika 10/11/2007 18:22:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: are we finished that topic? 10/11/2007 18:22:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I found an exciting bug 10/11/2007 18:22:13 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: John - I have one other very small thing. 10/11/2007 18:22:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: carry on 10/11/2007 18:22:23 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Is there a keyboard shortcut for commit? (i.e. when autocommit is off) 10/11/2007 18:22:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Ctrl+Enter should do it. 10/11/2007 18:22:44 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: it's ctrl-enter in 1.x, but that didn't work today in b15 10/11/2007 18:22:50 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: bug report time, then 10/11/2007 18:23:00 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok, Jen, I'll put in a bug report, so over to you 10/11/2007 18:23:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ta 10/11/2007 18:23:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: John, you remember that save bug? 10/11/2007 18:23:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Well the verification thing does something very similar in windows 10/11/2007 18:24:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the bug that you fixed in Princeton 10/11/2007 18:24:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Which save bug are we talking about? 10/11/2007 18:24:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the one that you fixed when you borrowed my latop 10/11/2007 18:24:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the one that made the programme hang 10/11/2007 18:24:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: search 10/11/2007 18:24:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sorry 10/11/2007 18:24:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: brain failure 10/11/2007 18:24:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That's happening again? 10/11/2007 18:24:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: in the verification check 10/11/2007 18:24:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I did the verify view 10/11/2007 18:24:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and I did a manual check 10/11/2007 18:24:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and it takes ages 10/11/2007 18:25:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and the processor maxes out 10/11/2007 18:25:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and I can't even quit with the task manager 10/11/2007 18:25:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: very similar 10/11/2007 18:25:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does this happen even if you turn off spell checking? 10/11/2007 18:25:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: how do I do that? 10/11/2007 18:26:09 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You have to hit the "config' button for every text check, and choose the option to disable spell checking for that check. 10/11/2007 18:26:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll try that 10/11/2007 18:26:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: if the bug is still there I may be gone for some time 10/11/2007 18:27:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's almost time to go anyway. 10/11/2007 18:27:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Can you run the check after this and send a summary in the bug report? 10/11/2007 18:27:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it worked 10/11/2007 18:27:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: So it's the spell checker. 10/11/2007 18:27:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Oy. 10/11/2007 18:27:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: turning off spell check solved the problem 10/11/2007 18:27:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks 10/11/2007 18:27:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I guess I need to research other spell checking libraries. That one is too frigging slow. 10/11/2007 18:28:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good to have a workaround anyway 10/11/2007 18:28:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/11/2007 18:28:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's time to depart, I think. 10/11/2007 18:28:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks, bye then 10/11/2007 18:28:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Chris is here, I notice. Has he been saying anything? 10/11/2007 18:28:53 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If he has, I haven't seen it. 10/11/2007 18:29:16 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: nor have I 10/11/2007 18:29:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nope 10/11/2007 18:29:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Maybe he's just recording his own transcript. 10/11/2007 18:29:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Bye all. 10/11/2007 18:29:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: bye 10/11/2007 18:29:35 PM from chris to All Attendees: wow how did you make my webex screen pop up? 10/11/2007 18:29:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori, can you send out a transcript? You didn't crash today. 10/11/2007 18:29:53 PM from chris to All Attendees: just lurking, nothing to add this session 10/11/2007 18:29:58 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok :) 10/11/2007 18:30:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (to both ...) 10/11/2007 18:30:13 PM from chris to All Attendees: bye! 10/11/2007 18:30:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, farewell. I hearby end this meeting.