OE Webex 12Aug08

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08/12/2008    17:30:16 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Hi Midori  
08/12/2008    17:30:22 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Hi 
08/12/2008    17:30:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Shall we get started?

08/12/2008    17:30:42 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Yes 
08/12/2008    17:31:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	What shall we discuss?

08/12/2008    17:31:13 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I don't have any big topics today 
08/12/2008    17:31:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Anybody else?

08/12/2008    17:31:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I haven't managed to consistently reproduce midori's dbxref library bug. 
08/12/2008    17:31:39 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	I think we should all applaud the new and improved search speed!
08/12/2008    17:31:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Yes that's weird that it's fixed for me too.

08/12/2008    17:31:52 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I haven't checked b45 or 46 for the dbxref library bug. 
08/12/2008    17:31:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yes I think that speed should be celebrated too.

08/12/2008    17:32:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Thank you, thank you. 
08/12/2008    17:32:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Did you notice that clicking the first time in the OTE is faster, too? 
08/12/2008    17:32:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It was annoying me that that was so slow. 
08/12/2008    17:32:51 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	yes much faster now 
08/12/2008    17:32:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Subsequent clicks are still slower than I would like; the speedup is mostly for the first click, because I'm preloading the relationship icons. 
08/12/2008    17:32:53 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	yes 
08/12/2008    17:32:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Do you mean the first time you click on a term?

08/12/2008    17:33:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	oh I see

08/12/2008    17:33:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	very good!

08/12/2008    17:33:28 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It takes an extra 1-1.5 seconds at startup, but I figured that was tolerable. 
08/12/2008    17:33:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Better than waiting 1.5 seconds when you select a term. 
08/12/2008    17:33:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	startup seems much much faster to me.

08/12/2008    17:33:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	is that right?

08/12/2008    17:33:51 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	Yes, I noticed that too 
08/12/2008    17:33:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I don't see the splash screen any more

08/12/2008    17:34:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Oh, whoops. 
08/12/2008    17:34:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	not a problem, I just wondered.

08/12/2008    17:34:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	it's like magic startup.

08/12/2008    17:34:18 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I haven't timed it 
08/12/2008    17:34:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	The faster startup and lack of splash screen (I thought something looked different on startup but hadn't put my finger on it) 
08/12/2008    17:34:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	are due to my trying to reduce the gratuitous reloads/redraws on startup. 
08/12/2008    17:34:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	that seems very good.

08/12/2008    17:34:42 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	But I guess I went too far, if the splash screen doesn't show up. 
08/12/2008    17:34:45 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I've just checked, and I'm still getting My Own Special Dbxref Library Bug. :(  
08/12/2008    17:34:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	:-( 
08/12/2008    17:35:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	You are just not meant to add lots of dbxrefs, I guess. 
08/12/2008    17:35:25 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I haven't deleted the config directory for b46, but it didn't help  for 43 ...
08/12/2008    17:35:44 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Grea t. Much of my work is adding dbxrefs.
08/12/2008    17:35:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Don't worry, we'll fix it somehow! 
08/12/2008    17:36:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Do try renaming your config dir. 
08/12/2008    17:36:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I think I hadn't done the dbxref fix yet in b43. 
08/12/2008    17:36:20 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I still have OE2 eating up  lots of CPU, too.
08/12/2008    17:36:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	So maybe it's not fixed for you bcs of some config thing. 
08/12/2008    17:36:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Try renaming your config and see if it fixes the dbxref problem, and if it does, then send me your config dir and I'll try to figure out why. 
08/12/2008    17:37:16 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Midori do you get the same performance on windows and OSX 
08/12/2008    17:37:18 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Renaming the config directory didn't help with the dbxref library  before (tho I'm happy to try again)
08/12/2008    17:37:24 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I don't use windowns 
08/12/2008    17:37:29 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	ic  
08/12/2008    17:37:29 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	(er, windows) 
08/12/2008    17:37:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Right, i know it didn't help before, but I think b43 was before I fixed the problem for me and Jen, wasn't it? 
08/12/2008    17:37:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I had the bug on windows and mac but it has gone away.

08/12/2008    17:38:10 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	The dbxref or cpu spikes Jen? 
08/12/2008    17:38:11 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Not sure which beta it was, but mine was still broken in the beta that fixed i t for you and Jen.
08/12/2008    17:38:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Hmm, I guess b43 was when I (supposedly) fixed it. 
08/12/2008    17:38:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	the dbxref, sorry

08/12/2008    17:38:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	(the dbxref) 
08/12/2008    17:38:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	wouldn't hurt to try renaming again.

08/12/2008    17:38:41 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Trying now ... 
08/12/2008    17:38:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	great

08/12/2008    17:38:53 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Ok was just checking since the spikes are a problem on windows too 
08/12/2008    17:39:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Amina, one other thing I changed in FilterQuery was to take out a timer. 
08/12/2008    17:39:44 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	John has a lot of timers that do stuff every second or whatever, and I think they might be contributing to CPU spikes when you're not doing anything. 
08/12/2008    17:39:56 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	ok - those would've just been for benchmarking i assume 
08/12/2008    17:39:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	We can look at the timer when we're done with this meeting. 
08/12/2008    17:40:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	No, not the getTime ones, the ones that go, "Did something happen?  How about now?  Now? Now?" 
08/12/2008    17:40:23 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Sounds good 
08/12/2008    17:40:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	The timed text checks do that, but there are others as well. 
08/12/2008    17:40:49 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Yeah that design pattern can get expensive 
08/12/2008    17:41:00 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Yes. 
08/12/2008    17:41:04 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Hi Karen 
08/12/2008    17:41:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I wanted to let you all know that next week we have collaborators from NESCENT here all week. 
08/12/2008    17:41:25 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I may not be able to do much OBO-Edit work. 
08/12/2008    17:41:32 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	And the week after, I'll be on vacation. 
08/12/2008    17:41:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	thanks for letting us know.

08/12/2008    17:41:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I'm hoping to make more progress this week on time/memory issues. 
08/12/2008    17:42:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	excellent

08/12/2008    17:42:26 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	Are we aiming to have an official 2.0 before the GOC in Montreal?
08/12/2008    17:42:36 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	yes Harols 
08/12/2008    17:42:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	That would be nice; we'll have to see if it's doable. 
08/12/2008    17:42:40 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Harold 
08/12/2008    17:42:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	The things that I'm noticing most now are the problems with selecting terms in the OTE and the problem with the tree viewer.

08/12/2008    17:43:03 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	You mean, the problem you have when you ctrl-select four things in the OTE? 
08/12/2008    17:43:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I guess that too, but I mean when I click terms and rogue menus pop up.

08/12/2008    17:43:35 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	rogue menu's 
08/12/2008    17:43:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I just click a term and often a menu just pops up unbidden

08/12/2008    17:43:39 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Hmmm. Dbxref library: OK immediately after deleting config dir. But as soon as I change the font, symptoms start to appear. 
08/12/2008    17:43:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Oh, right.  I can look into the bug with the consider menus.  That should be fixable. 
08/12/2008    17:43:53 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	Oh I haven't noticed that Jen 
08/12/2008    17:44:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yes it's very weird

08/12/2008    17:44:13 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I'm still not sure what to do about the sensitive drag issue.  It thinks you've dragged sometimes when you feel like you released the mouse. 
08/12/2008    17:44:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	it's incredibly sensitive still.

08/12/2008    17:44:35 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I haven't thought of a test that would differentiate between real drags and those that aren't real. 
08/12/2008    17:44:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yes I see.

08/12/2008    17:44:46 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	2.0 by Oc tober would be fantastic, but would also be surprising.
08/12/2008    17:44:51 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	I was thinking that perhaps I had the mouse set too sensitive, as I often just pass over a term in the Tree and the menu's start poping up; however, nothing bad happens 
08/12/2008    17:44:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yes true

08/12/2008    17:45:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	we can keep trying though, and not worry if it doesn't happen

08/12/2008    17:45:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I think the reason it thinks you're dragging is that it's so busy thinking while you're clicking things. 
08/12/2008    17:45:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Yes that's what I think too.

08/12/2008    17:45:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I'm not sure what it's doing.

08/12/2008    17:45:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It does a lot of work when you select something in the OTE. 
08/12/2008    17:45:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I think maybe when I click a term it has to do a lot of things with other panels maybe.

08/12/2008    17:45:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I've been trying to see if I can make that faster. 
08/12/2008    17:45:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	but it even happens with no other panels open

08/12/2008    17:45:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Yes, that's part of it. 
08/12/2008    17:46:03 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Many components hear the selection event and respond to it. 
08/12/2008    17:46:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	oh I see.

08/12/2008    17:46:33 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I get the spurious menu less often than in the past, but still fairly frequently. 
08/12/2008    17:46:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	would it be possible for them not to respond unless I have them open?

08/12/2008    17:46:51 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It doesn't put me off OE2 nearly as much as the CPU spikes, though. 
08/12/2008    17:46:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	What do you mean? 
08/12/2008    17:46:56 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Have what open? 
08/12/2008    17:47:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	well if I only have one OTE and one Graphviz panel, then maybe just those two panels could respond to a selection event.

08/12/2008    17:47:25 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Oh, I see. 
08/12/2008    17:47:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	That should be the case. 
08/12/2008    17:47:47 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	You will find that if you close the Graph Editor, many things are faster. 
08/12/2008    17:47:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I never have that open.

08/12/2008    17:48:03 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	The Graph Editor is still a big CPU eater, though I've improved it a bit. 
08/12/2008    17:48:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	might it still be listening even though it is shut?

08/12/2008    17:48:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	No, I fixed that. 
08/12/2008    17:48:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	oh great.

08/12/2008    17:48:20 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It used to. 
08/12/2008    17:48:48 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I haven't used the Graph Editor, and I'm still getting crippling CPU spikes. 
08/12/2008    17:48:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I tried using the netbeans profiler to watch what happens when I commit a text change  and it is really a lot of things.

08/12/2008    17:49:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	like thousands of things.

08/12/2008    17:49:00 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Harold, I know you need to go soon--was there anything you wanted to discuss? 
08/12/2008    17:49:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I was surprised.

08/12/2008    17:49:18 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	no;  
08/12/2008    17:49:27 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Jen, I'm not surprised, I know thousands of things happen. 
08/12/2008    17:49:31 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	ah

08/12/2008    17:49:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	The question is whether any of them are avoidable, which is what I have been investigating. 
08/12/2008    17:50:02 PM    from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
	argh... another meeting calls  drags.  kidnaps;  bye all 
08/12/2008    17:50:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	It sounds very interesting but I don't know about that stuff yet.

08/12/2008    17:50:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	When you commit a text change, all the other components have to update in case your change made a difference (e.g. new term name) 
08/12/2008    17:50:17 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	bye harold 
08/12/2008    17:50:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	by Hurdil

08/12/2008    17:50:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	oh

08/12/2008    17:50:33 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	bye Harold 
08/12/2008    17:50:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	for a def change I suppose that is really unnecessary

08/12/2008    17:51:14 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	mdiori, a few minutes ago you said you were renaming your config dir--did it fix your dbxref library problem? 
08/12/2008    17:51:40 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Jen, the problem is that it just registers as a text commit; it's not so fine-grained that it tells all the other components exactly what changed in the text edit. 
08/12/2008    17:51:42 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	For one edit, it did. Then I changed the font, and the probelm is back. 
08/12/2008    17:51:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	So strange. 
08/12/2008    17:52:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Can you send me those two config dirs--the one where it works and the one where it doesn't? 
08/12/2008    17:52:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I did notice that the dbxref problem got worse after a period of editing.

08/12/2008    17:52:31 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	It was the precursor to the app going totally mad.

08/12/2008    17:52:45 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It doesn't seem to matter what I change it to -- anything big enough to read is buggy. I'll also try changing something else first (tho that'll make me grumble abou tthe tiny type). 
08/12/2008    17:53:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I can't imagine that what you change the font to matters. 
08/12/2008    17:53:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I'll try this too, with the font I mean.

08/12/2008    17:53:13 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	BTW, if other people routinely change the font, we can choose a new default font. 
08/12/2008    17:53:22 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	That's why I'm going to try changing something else now ... 
08/12/2008    17:53:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I don't mind which size or anything.

08/12/2008    17:53:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	You could make it bigger if that would help.

08/12/2008    17:54:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I'm happy to make it bigger if people want. 
08/12/2008    17:54:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I do notch it up to 14 now I think of it.

08/12/2008    17:55:06 PM    from Karen to All Attendees:
	I like the font size as  is, so there's probably no default that will make everyone happy 
08/12/2008    17:55:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Which font is this?  How do you change it? 
08/12/2008    17:55:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	It's in the configuration manager.

08/12/2008    17:55:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	there's just one control

08/12/2008    17:55:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Ok, so it's the general font size 
08/12/2008    17:55:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yes

08/12/2008    17:55:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I can try changing that and see if I get the dbxref library bug (though you have changed the font w/o seeing that bug, right Jen?) 
08/12/2008    17:56:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	no actually I see it too now.

08/12/2008    17:56:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Aha 
08/12/2008    17:56:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I put the font up to 18 and the bug is back

08/12/2008    17:56:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Do you use the dbxref library docked or undocked? 
08/12/2008    17:56:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	also the computer is making a  noise like a hairdryer

08/12/2008    17:56:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	docked

08/12/2008    17:56:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	well spotted Midori.

08/12/2008    17:57:05 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I've seen the bug with it docked or undocked. 
08/12/2008    17:57:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	When I ask it to add a dbxref now it adds it but the second time it doesn't then the hairdryer kicks in.

08/12/2008    17:58:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	After that, further attempts to add dbxrefs just make other pre-existing ones disappear.

08/12/2008    17:58:16 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	yep, that's the beast. 
08/12/2008    17:58:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	great :-)

08/12/2008    17:58:27 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	glad I wasn't just imagining it :P 
08/12/2008    17:58:35 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Aha!  I just changed my font and now I can add 2 dbxrefs but not a third! 
08/12/2008    17:58:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	clicking the + button does not make them reappear this time.

08/12/2008    17:58:40 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	So weird, why would the font matter?? 
08/12/2008    17:58:56 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It oughta get fixed, no matter what we end up using as the default font. 
08/12/2008    17:58:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Ok, good, now I can reproduce the problem, so I can try to fix it. 
08/12/2008    17:59:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	maybe it doesn't like to redraw big text :-)

08/12/2008    17:59:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	BTW, did you like my fix in the dbxref text editor where tab and return do what you'd think they should do? 
08/12/2008    17:59:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	my computer is still going nuts

08/12/2008    17:59:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Mine's doing the hairdryer, too. 
08/12/2008    17:59:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	brilliant yes!

08/12/2008    17:59:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	very good.

08/12/2008    17:59:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	the hairdryer is a feature I think.

08/12/2008    17:59:44 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I know what it's doing--for some reason, it gets in an infinite loop trying to redraw the dbxref table. 
08/12/2008    17:59:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	handwarming.

08/12/2008    17:59:51 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Attendees:
	Watching this sounds just like a narration of the spotting of a member of an endangered species. 
08/12/2008    17:59:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	:-)

08/12/2008    18:00:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I saw this before and "fixed" it (so I thought) by changing the spacing between dbxrefs. 
08/12/2008    18:00:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I think this could be an actual Java bug. 
08/12/2008    18:00:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	*Gosh*

08/12/2008    18:00:31 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It's not just size; I just changed typeface but stuck with 12pt, and got symptoms. 
08/12/2008    18:00:32 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	We should catch it in a jar and bring it to the natural history museum. :-) 
08/12/2008    18:00:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	'jar' ho ho ho

08/12/2008    18:01:03 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	midori, it seems like anything that causes changes to the layout of the dbxref table can cause this bug to appear or disappear. 
08/12/2008    18:01:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	does that mean that you get to put in a bug report?

08/12/2008    18:01:21 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	or reopen the old one ... 
08/12/2008    18:01:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It doesn't make sense to me that the table cell renderer is called over and over like that, and it didn't seem like it was anything OE was doing--it was Swing doing it. 
08/12/2008    18:01:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I'll reopen the old one.  It's the same bug. 
08/12/2008    18:01:43 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	thanks 
08/12/2008    18:02:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I meant a sun bug report, but great. 

08/12/2008    18:02:19 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Oh 
08/12/2008    18:02:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I don't have it to that point yet. 
08/12/2008    18:02:57 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Are we done for today? 
08/12/2008    18:03:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	should we delete the config directory to fix this? My computer is getting very worked up.

08/12/2008    18:03:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Jus tone question.

08/12/2008    18:03:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	did you get my graphviz email?

08/12/2008    18:03:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Yes 
08/12/2008    18:03:20 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I will answer it 
08/12/2008    18:03:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	great

08/12/2008    18:03:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	thanks.

08/12/2008    18:03:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I'm done then. :-)

08/12/2008    18:03:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	Thanks for all the brilliant work on application speed.

08/12/2008    18:03:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	It's fine with me if you commit your new feature in Graphviz, Jen. 
08/12/2008    18:03:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	great, thanks. I'll do that.

08/12/2008    18:04:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Bye? 
08/12/2008    18:04:07 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	I've got a question about the "cycles" that we've been discussing on account of the missing-arrow bug report. 
08/12/2008    18:04:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	bye :-)

08/12/2008    18:04:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Oh!  Yes? 
08/12/2008    18:04:35 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Yes, -- it's in the bug report too, but I thought I'd bring it up if we have a minute o r two.
08/12/2008    18:04:40 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Sure 
08/12/2008    18:05:24 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It's this: why does the "cycle" appearance -- whether it's the old missing arrows, or the new greyed-out terms -- only show up when I use the Parent Editor to delete a parent? 
08/12/2008    18:06:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I don't know. 
08/12/2008    18:06:27 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I will look into that. 
08/12/2008    18:06:29 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	If I just browse in the OTE, I just see 'disjoint_from' text icons in front of terms that don't have the '+' to expand children (which makes sense). 
08/12/2008    18:06:47 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Right, I made it stop showing the +s for disjoint_from relations 
08/12/2008    18:06:55 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	You don't really want ot see their children. 
08/12/2008    18:07:06 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	If I add or delete a relationship in the OTE, it basically stays the same. 
08/12/2008    18:07:19 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	Correct, we don't want to see the children. 
08/12/2008    18:07:43 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	If I add a parent in the parent editor, again, it continues to look normal. 
08/12/2008    18:07:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I will investigate. 
08/12/2008    18:08:24 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	It's only when I delete a relationship using the parent editor that the OTE display goes haywire. Makes it hard to use the parent editor  -- and otherwise I'd be a big fan of using it. 
08/12/2008    18:08:28 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	thanks 
08/12/2008    18:08:46 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Can someone save this chat?  For some reason, WebEx let me save it earlier but won't now. 
08/12/2008    18:08:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	I can try

08/12/2008    18:08:54 PM    from Amina to All Attendees:
	I'll do it Nomi 
08/12/2008    18:08:57 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Thanks