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12/13/2007    17:28:39 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	hi
12/13/2007    17:28:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
hi
12/13/2007    17:28:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
how's it going?
12/13/2007    17:29:19 PM    from midori to All Attendees:
	not too 
bad
12/13/2007    17:29:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
good. me too. Much less the zombie today
12/13/2007    17:29:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Hi Nomi
12/13/2007    17:29:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Hi!
12/13/2007    17:29:59 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
hey
12/13/2007    17:30:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Wow, you guys are so prompt!
12/13/2007    17:30:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Hi Harold
12/13/2007    17:30:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:30:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
We may secretly be swiss
12/13/2007    17:30:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
welcome to the first post-John chat!
12/13/2007    17:30:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
likewise!
12/13/2007    17:30:48 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
A moment of silence for remembrance...
12/13/2007    17:30:57 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Sigh...
12/13/2007    17:30:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
John answered a developer mail about ten minutes ago
12/13/2007    17:31:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so he must still exist
12/13/2007    17:31:07 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
on another plane
12/13/2007    17:31:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I saw that!  I'm hping maybe he'll show up here, but unlikely.
12/13/2007    17:31:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:31:14 PM    from midori to All Participants:
that's a relief
12/13/2007    17:31:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:31:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Maybe he will leave us to bond anew
12/13/2007    17:31:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(that he exists, that is ...)
12/13/2007    17:31:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Let Nomi practise he one-liners
12/13/2007    17:31:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
true
12/13/2007    17:31:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
he may have set an email cron job
12/13/2007    17:32:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
google supposedly lets people work one day a week on an academic project
12/13/2007    17:32:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I have my fingers crossed
12/13/2007    17:32:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
not very hopefully though
12/13/2007    17:32:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, the "80/20" thing, which my friends who work at Google refer to as 
the "120" thing
12/13/2007    17:32:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:33:02 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes that's how it is in my life too
12/13/2007    17:33:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-) 
12/13/2007    17:33:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
How long should we wait for stragglers?
12/13/2007    17:33:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we could start
12/13/2007    17:33:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok
12/13/2007    17:34:10 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm working from home today.  If I suddenly start typing gibberish, it's 
probably my cat walking across my keyboard.
12/13/2007    17:34:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great :-)
12/13/2007    17:34:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
me too
12/13/2007    17:34:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no cat though. that's just my typing
12/13/2007    17:34:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'm in much the same situation myself (tho at the moment the cat seems 
to be napping)
12/13/2007    17:34:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Anyway, a big thank you to Jen for writing a bunch of documentation and 
making screenshots!
12/13/2007    17:35:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
any time
12/13/2007    17:35:03 PM    from midori to All Participants:
<cheer>
12/13/2007    17:35:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yay!
12/13/2007    17:35:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
And thanks to Midori for signing up to write about the hotkey system.
12/13/2007    17:35:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Ooooooo!
12/13/2007    17:35:42 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It looks like most of the major topics have been covered.
12/13/2007    17:36:03 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Can anyone write about the new search system?
12/13/2007    17:36:09 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I haven't done much yet ... I'm not quite sure it's even working in 
beta25, but I have yet to delete the .oboeditbeta folder from b24.
12/13/2007    17:36:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
may I ask later about he html thing?
12/13/2007    17:36:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I can write about the searcn
12/13/2007    17:36:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
h
12/13/2007    17:36:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(the hotkeys, I mean ... search is fine, for what I've tried so farl)
12/13/2007    17:36:37 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Hello 
all! Sorry I am late!
12/13/2007    17:36:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
What I usually do is rename the .oboeditbeta folder so I can pull stuff 
out of it later if needed.
12/13/2007    17:36:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Hi Erika, we just started.
12/13/2007    17:36:53 PM    from midori to All Participants:
same here
12/13/2007    17:37:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
shall I do the search tomorrow?
12/13/2007    17:37:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I think it's quite straightforward
12/13/2007    17:37:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I have been starting to go through the OE userguide and fix stuff that's 
out of date.
12/13/2007    17:37:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great
12/13/2007    17:37:38 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Sure, if you want to do it tomorrow, please feel free!
12/13/2007    17:37:42 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No huge rush, though.
12/13/2007    17:37:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
a lot of what I've been writing ahs been building on that so it's very 
much needed
12/13/2007    17:37:56 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm not going to be able to finish the userguide before Christmas.
12/13/2007    17:38:03 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
writing oboedit docs is easy on the brain 
12/13/2007    17:38:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
as a change I mean
12/13/2007    17:38:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no it's a lot of work
12/13/2007    17:38:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that's fine
12/13/2007    17:38:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm only supposed to be part-time at LBNL, and some of my time is being 
diverted by other projects (such as Apollo).
12/13/2007    17:38:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cool!
12/13/2007    17:38:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I have no idea what that is
12/13/2007    17:38:45 PM    from midori to All Participants:
oh good ... relieves pressure on the rest of us too
12/13/2007    17:39:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Does anyone understand the Annotation Summary Component?
12/13/2007    17:39:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
nope
12/13/2007    17:39:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
not a sausage
12/13/2007    17:39:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I thought there was meant to be an annotation compopnent
12/13/2007    17:39:30 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I know you don't, Jen, since you put a note on the wiki page saying 
that.
12/13/2007    17:39:35 PM    from midori to All Participants:
barely even heard of it
12/13/2007    17:39:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:39:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Maybe it's not finished yet.
12/13/2007    17:39:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
We can ask John.
12/13/2007    17:39:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I thought there was meant to be an annotation component that maybe 
complimented this
12/13/2007    17:39:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but I wasn't sure
12/13/2007    17:39:58 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Chris might know too
12/13/2007    17:39:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Beats me!
12/13/2007    17:40:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, Chris might know.  Today and tomorrow he's at a meeting at 
Stanford, though.
12/13/2007    17:40:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I bet there's a prize if we figure it out
12/13/2007    17:40:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Woohoo!
12/13/2007    17:40:46 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
So I think we have things under control in terms of documentation.
12/13/2007    17:40:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It will just take some time to get it all done.
12/13/2007    17:40:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:41:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Any other issues/questions/comments before we move on?
12/13/2007    17:41:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
(I mean issues about documentation)
12/13/2007    17:41:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can people make sure they write on the wiki which bits they're doing?
12/13/2007    17:41:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
this time of year is good for documentation
12/13/2007    17:41:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, please.
12/13/2007    17:41:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so it would be handy to know which bits are not done
12/13/2007    17:41:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Santa likes people who write documentation.
12/13/2007    17:41:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
also shoudl we put docs straight into the source tre?
12/13/2007    17:42:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
John got us to do that before
12/13/2007    17:42:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but I've never done it before
12/13/2007    17:42:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Put docs into the source tree?  Like into src?
12/13/2007    17:42:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes Jane used to do that a bit
12/13/2007    17:42:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Or do you just mean into the subversion repository?
12/13/2007    17:42:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh
12/13/2007    17:42:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes one of those. :-)
12/13/2007    17:42:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I don't know Jane.
12/13/2007    17:42:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
wherever it lives
12/13/2007    17:42:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Jane is on maternity leave
12/13/2007    17:43:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
she'll be back soon
12/13/2007    17:43:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Would you prefer to commit documentation into docs/html rather than 
sending it to me?
12/13/2007    17:43:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It's fine if you want to do that; I just need to know so that I make 
sure to commit my changes
12/13/2007    17:43:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it might be good for when we just want to add little bits or edit little 
bits so we don't have to send long stories
12/13/2007    17:43:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
(which I wasn't doing incrementally).
12/13/2007    17:43:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that's really why I wondered
12/13/2007    17:43:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Sure, sounds reasonable.  I need to get on the svn commits mailing list.
12/13/2007    17:43:58 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(sorry I'm late - and as usual I'll have to leave at 10)
12/13/2007    17:44:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it woudl also mean that I'd know what's already there so I can links 
stuff in and take into account what's already written
12/13/2007    17:44:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Hi Tanya, this should be a short meeting.
12/13/2007    17:44:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
me too, I'm not on it either
12/13/2007    17:44:30 PM    from midori to All Participants:
If I recall correctly, some of us committed changes to docs/html back 
when it was CVS ... in principle, I can do either, and which way I 
prefer in practice might depend on how much I have to do, and on which 
parts.
12/13/2007    17:44:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Midori what do you think?
12/13/2007    17:44:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Does anyone know offhand how to get on the commits mailing list?
12/13/2007    17:44:38 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
If not, I can find out.
12/13/2007    17:44:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you have to be a sourceforge admin
12/13/2007    17:44:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Midori, by "do either" you mean commit html vs. mail text to me?
12/13/2007    17:45:13 PM    from midori to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:45:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I had suggested mailing stuff to me because I know some people find it 
an energy barrier to have to make their text nice and deal with the 
html,
12/13/2007    17:45:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
but if you guys are comfortable editing and committing the html, all the 
better!
12/13/2007    17:45:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I wasn't really planning to go that far
12/13/2007    17:45:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:45:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
editing is fine
12/13/2007    17:45:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
nice may be harder
12/13/2007    17:45:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    17:46:01 PM    from midori to All Participants:
That's exactly vhat I think would depend on the size and complexity of 
the documentation.
12/13/2007    17:46:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I can always touch stuff up as needed.
12/13/2007    17:46:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I really just meant for when we want to amend stuff later or fold bits 
in
12/13/2007    17:46:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Right.
12/13/2007    17:46:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
and know what's already there
12/13/2007    17:46:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good
12/13/2007    17:46:28 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I suspect for hotkeys there will be a lot of updating existing pages, 
and maybe not so much creating new pages.
12/13/2007    17:46:30 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I've known people who don't want to commit anything until it's perfect.
12/13/2007    17:46:36 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm glad to hear that you guys don't suffer from that hangup.
12/13/2007    17:46:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
nope :-)
12/13/2007    17:46:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'm not one of them ;)
12/13/2007    17:46:47 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Great.
12/13/2007    17:46:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'm not sure stuff's ever perfect
12/13/2007    17:47:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will have limited time online today and tomorrow, but O
12/13/2007    17:47:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
(oops)
12/13/2007    17:47:09 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I would 
love to contribute to documentation but
12/13/2007    17:47:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'll try to commit the stuff Jen sent me and commit my changes
12/13/2007    17:47:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
so that you guys can start committing directly to the repository.
12/13/2007    17:47:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great :-)
12/13/2007    17:47:30 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will send out a note when that's done.
12/13/2007    17:47:47 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I would 
love to contribute to documentation but
my English is not perfect and I am writing my PhD thesis at the mmoment
12/13/2007    17:47:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It might not be until Monday, though.
12/13/2007    17:47:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Best stick with the thesis Erika. :-)
12/13/2007    17:47:52 PM    from midori to All Participants:
ok; for my part I'll try to spare some time to do the documentation I 
signed up for!
12/13/2007    17:48:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No worries, Erika.  I think we have most of it covered.
12/13/2007    17:48:29 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I would 
like to follow your discussion 
12/13/2007    17:48:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you're welcome to do that.
12/13/2007    17:48:43 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
I appear to have found a new bug, but wasn't sure if it was or not. Now 
I am. I'll put it in Sf; Involves loading mutlipel ontologies
12/13/2007    17:49:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ugh, sounds icky, Harold.
12/13/2007    17:49:02 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	If it's useful, I can volunteer to proofread/try out the 
documentation to see if I can follow the directions and get the expected 
result.
12/13/2007    17:49:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Tanya, that would be great.
12/13/2007    17:49:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
We'll let you know when we're at that stage.
12/13/2007    17:49:17 PM    from midori to All Participants:
seconded!
12/13/2007    17:49:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, any other bad bugs?
12/13/2007    17:49:56 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(micro-note: I'm on holiday from Dec.19 and back on Jan. 7th)
12/13/2007    17:50:24 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	Did I miss something earlier about the deadline for docs to be 
ready?
12/13/2007    17:50:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will be away after Dec 21, back briefly Jan 2-3, and then pretty much 
offline the second week of Jan.
12/13/2007    17:50:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'm away Dec. 19-Jan 2 or 3.
12/13/2007    17:50:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No specific deadline, Tanya; I just said that it won't be finished 
before Xmas.
12/13/2007    17:51:30 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'll just keep putting bugs in SF as I find them. Not much from me just 
now -- after the last bouts of testing I needed to do something else for 
a while.
12/13/2007    17:51:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok.
12/13/2007    17:51:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Jen, did you have something you wanted to discuss about html, or did we 
already cover that?
12/13/2007    17:51:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh yes
12/13/2007    17:52:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I just wondered if anybody knew what the html welcome message thing was 
for
12/13/2007    17:52:23 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
argh I just confirmed my "bug" is also in 1.101 also
12/13/2007    17:52:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the configurable message sorry
12/13/2007    17:52:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I missed that chat
12/13/2007    17:53:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Configurable message?
12/13/2007    17:53:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes it's a feature
12/13/2007    17:53:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
um hang on...
12/13/2007    17:53:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
[view]->[show]
12/13/2007    17:53:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
You mean, the plugin John added right before he left that puts up a 
picture of him with a funny quote when you start OE?
12/13/2007    17:54:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
[misc]->]configurablemessage]
12/13/2007    17:54:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no I don't think so
12/13/2007    17:54:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's a whole thing in it's own right
12/13/2007    17:54:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
in the application
12/13/2007    17:54:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh.  I don't know, but I will see what I can find out.
12/13/2007    17:54:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I wondered if it was to make a message appear to help specific new user 
groups
12/13/2007    17:54:53 PM    from midori to All Participants:
no, the configurable message creates a panel that jsut contains ... wait 
for it ... the message you configure.
12/13/2007    17:54:56 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I have been pulling down the saved chat transcripts and going through 
them.
12/13/2007    17:54:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:55:03 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I think John suggested using it for demos ...
12/13/2007    17:55:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh
12/13/2007    17:55:14 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ah, so it's just a little whiteboard?
12/13/2007    17:55:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ok
12/13/2007    17:55:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'll make sure I add it to the documentation.
12/13/2007    17:55:24 PM    from midori to All Participants:
basically, yes.
12/13/2007    17:55:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I wondered if I was missing something but it seams I'm not
12/13/2007    17:55:32 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(Can I ask a quick question about a merge bug David and I ran 
into the other day?)
12/13/2007    17:55:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I sent docs Nomi, saying basically what's been said
12/13/2007    17:55:49 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(in 1.101)
12/13/2007    17:55:56 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Tanya - fine by me
12/13/2007    17:56:04 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	So, we merged two terms
12/13/2007    17:56:09 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	and one of them was a replaced_by
12/13/2007    17:56:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Yay!
12/13/2007    17:56:14 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
Has anyone also noticed the "garbage" panel ? 
12/13/2007    17:56:17 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	suggestion for another still live term
12/13/2007    17:56:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:56:24 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	but the replaced_by tag in that term
12/13/2007    17:56:33 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	did not get updated by the new merged into id
12/13/2007    17:56:37 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(if that makes sense)
12/13/2007    17:56:45 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	so when we tried to reload the ontology
12/13/2007    17:56:53 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	it failed
12/13/2007    17:57:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Did you submit a bug report, Tanya?  I'm afraid the chances of fixing 
bugs in v1.* are not high.  Does OE2 exhibit the same bug?
12/13/2007    17:57:17 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	That's the question I had.
12/13/2007    17:57:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
there's a similar bug in obomerge
12/13/2007    17:57:25 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
And Harold, did you see John's response about the Garbage panels?
12/13/2007    17:57:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
in oboedit 2
12/13/2007    17:57:27 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	Has anyone seen this behavior in 2?
12/13/2007    17:57:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes I have
12/13/2007    17:57:41 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	OK
12/13/2007    17:57:46 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	have you reported the bug Jen?
12/13/2007    17:57:50 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	If not, I will.
12/13/2007    17:57:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I did the text file by hand for the cardio commit
12/13/2007    17:58:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
12/13/2007    17:58:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I don't think it was fixed but I can check
12/13/2007    17:58:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
what it was ...
12/13/2007    17:58:35 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Maybe Chris can look into this.  I'm afraid I don't have the necessary 
expertise to fix that kind of bug.
12/13/2007    17:58:41 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	ok, thanks for that
12/13/2007    17:58:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
never mind
12/13/2007    17:58:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's in SF
12/13/2007    17:58:55 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	cool
12/13/2007    17:59:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
What's in SF?
12/13/2007    17:59:14 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	the bug
12/13/2007    17:59:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
my version of the bug
12/13/2007    17:59:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok.
12/13/2007    17:59:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Anything else before you need to go, Tanya?
12/13/2007    17:59:27 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	no, that's it 
12/13/2007    17:59:34 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	thanks for just letting me barge in with my question
12/13/2007    17:59:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No problem, it wasn't barging.
12/13/2007    17:59:55 PM    from midori to All Participants:
that's what this group is for :)
12/13/2007    18:00:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm losing track, did we answer Jen's html thing or did we get diverted 
by Tanya's bug report?
12/13/2007    18:00:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'm sorted
12/13/2007    18:00:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Cool.
12/13/2007    18:00:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'll try to take a look at the Garbage thing, but it probably won't be 
this week.
12/13/2007    18:00:45 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(and I'm off-happy holidays everyone!)
12/13/2007    18:00:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Happy Solstice!
12/13/2007    18:01:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Any other bugs that are high priority?
12/13/2007    18:01:18 PM    from midori to All Participants:
John thought he'd fixed the garbage thing ... but I guess not if you're 
still seeing 'em. I'll check again too when I get back to testing.
12/13/2007    18:01:28 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh, one of our users is having trouble launching OE2 recently.
12/13/2007    18:01:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I put in a couple of bug reports but they're in sourceforge
12/13/2007    18:01:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
He complains that he's just getting a blue screen and can't add views, 
even after removing is .oboeditbeta.
12/13/2007    18:01:55 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'll have another go at hotkeys. If I can't figure out how to get them 
working as advertised, there'll be a bug report.
12/13/2007    18:02:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will forward his messages to the list in case anyone has seen this 
problem and knows what to do.
12/13/2007    18:02:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Since other people seem to be running the latest OE2 beta successfully, 
I think this user must have something messed up in his config files or 
something.
12/13/2007    18:02:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
There's also David Sutherland's global selection bug -- which I can't 
reproduce.
12/13/2007    18:02:55 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Was David S. definitely using the latest version?
12/13/2007    18:03:08 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I had 
this problem with one of the previous OE2 beta verison
12/13/2007    18:03:12 PM    from midori to All Participants:
hang on, lemme look
12/13/2007    18:03:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the id fixer is also not working much at all
12/13/2007    18:03:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Harold seems to have cloned himself.
12/13/2007    18:03:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but that would be grouped with tanya's merge bug I guess
12/13/2007    18:03:44 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
Just found my bug: it was in one of the ontology files not in the 
program
12/13/2007    18:03:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ah, good.
12/13/2007    18:03:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that means his browser crashed
12/13/2007    18:04:11 PM    from midori to All Participants:
DS says it was beta25 ... 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1846165&grou
p_id36855&atid418257
12/13/2007    18:04:19 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Erika, by "this problem" do you mean the blue window?
12/13/2007    18:05:04 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	yes
12/13/2007    18:05:10 PM    from midori to All Participants:
for Harold - SF bug report on garbage: 
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1844184&grou
p_id36855&atid418257
12/13/2007    18:05:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Jen, it's probably worth filing a separate bug report about the ID 
fixer, even if you think it's due to the merge bug.  Maybe it isn't.
12/13/2007    18:05:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's in SF
12/13/2007    18:05:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1849447&grou
p_id36855&atid418257
12/13/2007    18:05:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The blue window problem went away for you with the next beta release?
12/13/2007    18:05:50 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	but then 
John fixed the problem in the next beta release
12/13/2007    18:05:54 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	yes
12/13/2007    18:06:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Chris, the blue screen sufferer, says he's using b25.
12/13/2007    18:06:12 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
obviously not fixed in 22!
12/13/2007    18:06:13 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	so I 
have no idea about how to fix it
12/13/2007    18:06:22 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
I just close it
12/13/2007    18:06:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I wonder if maybe he didn't really manage to update and is somehow still 
running an old version.
12/13/2007    18:06:39 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	usually 
if you delete .oboeditbeta folder it works
12/13/2007    18:06:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
interesting ... I haven't bluescreened for several betas now
12/13/2007    18:06:58 PM    from midori to All Participants:
deleting .oboeditbeta has done the trick for me too, I guess
12/13/2007    18:07:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
He didn't seem to know how to find the text output window.
12/13/2007    18:07:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I think he's on Windows--where does the text output go if you install on 
Windows?
12/13/2007    18:07:38 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	oh, i do 
not really know
12/13/2007    18:07:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's technically a feature but this would be good to fix 
too:https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1813704&
group_id36855&atid418260
12/13/2007    18:08:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
That would be good to fix, but it would require some non-trivial work, I 
think.
12/13/2007    18:08:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Chris could probably do it, but he is rather overcommitted.
12/13/2007    18:08:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Do you think it would be good if we go through and close all the old 
sourceforge items that are out of date?
12/13/2007    18:09:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I get confused about which are still current and I bet Nomi does too
12/13/2007    18:09:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I assumed they were all still current
12/13/2007    18:09:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oboedit feature requests and bug reports I mean
12/13/2007    18:09:35 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
John and I talked about doing that
12/13/2007    18:09:41 PM    from midori to All Participants:
re obomerge: I agree it's important, though - as we're using more of the 
OBO format v.2 features in GO, it gets harder to corvert a merged file 
using a separate obo2obo step
12/13/2007    18:09:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The problem is that I need to verify that they are fixed or irrelevant 
in the current version
12/13/2007    18:10:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it might be easier for the suggesters to close them
12/13/2007    18:10:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
submitters or whatever
12/13/2007    18:10:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
That would be great!
12/13/2007    18:10:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good, I'll put that on my list
12/13/2007    18:10:39 PM    from midori to All Participants:
ok, I'll go through the ones I submitted.
12/13/2007    18:10:44 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
And Jen, if you run across bugs that are fixed/irrelevant, please feel 
free to close them,
12/13/2007    18:10:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
even if they're not yours.
12/13/2007    18:10:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great
12/13/2007    18:10:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
should we apply priority settings?
12/13/2007    18:11:06 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I am still such a clueless OE user that it is not easy for me to 
reproduce the bugs (or ascertain that they're fixed).
12/13/2007    18:11:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
some of mine are minor quibles and some are really importnat
12/13/2007    18:11:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, it would be good to use priorities.  Most people don't bother.
12/13/2007    18:11:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ok I'll do that
12/13/2007    18:11:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Great.
12/13/2007    18:11:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
(lots of nice easy work for the last week ebfore christmas)
12/13/2007    18:11:50 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I wish I could instantly become an OE god like John, but that is just 
not going to happen.
12/13/2007    18:12:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
You're just fine like this. :-)
12/13/2007    18:12:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Aw, thanks.
12/13/2007    18:12:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, are we done here?
12/13/2007    18:12:24 PM    from midori to All Participants:
At least you've got the listen-to-us part down  :)
12/13/2007    18:12:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that's what I was thinking
12/13/2007    18:12:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    18:12:46 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Or I do a good job of pretending that I'm listening.
12/13/2007    18:12:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    18:12:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I don't have anything else except: when's the next one of these little 
gatherings?
12/13/2007    18:13:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh I have one
12/13/2007    18:13:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
quick one
12/13/2007    18:13:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Next Thurs most of you are already gone, right?
12/13/2007    18:13:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, Jen?
12/13/2007    18:13:22 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I am (gone, that is)
12/13/2007    18:13:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'm here but could happily have an evening off
12/13/2007    18:13:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it was an html in ecplise thing so I could save it to the end
12/13/2007    18:13:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Should we move the chat to Wed. and make it really quick?
12/13/2007    18:14:08 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Or are you guys gone Wed. as well?
12/13/2007    18:14:11 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I cannot 
come on Wednesday :-(
12/13/2007    18:14:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I leave next saturday
12/13/2007    18:14:15 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'll be gone then too
12/13/2007    18:14:20 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Tues?  Or will there be nothing to say?
12/13/2007    18:14:32 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Tuesday 
is fine for me
12/13/2007    18:14:33 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
any days' fine for me
12/13/2007    18:14:36 PM    from midori to All Participants:
... and accordingly fiendishly busy on the monday & tuesday
12/13/2007    18:14:45 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, I'll send out a note about Tues and anyone who wants to can come.
12/13/2007    18:14:50 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	thanks
12/13/2007    18:14:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ok
12/13/2007    18:14:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
If you miss it, that's ok, Midori.
12/13/2007    18:14:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    18:15:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
We'll try to carry on, somehow...
12/13/2007    18:15:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
12/13/2007    18:15:27 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Jen, do you want to discuss your Eclipse/html thing?
12/13/2007    18:15:29 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'll see how it goes ... but prepare to soldier on, cos it's not likely 
I'll make it.
12/13/2007    18:15:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes please
12/13/2007    18:15:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm listening...
12/13/2007    18:15:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I just wondered how you see the html source of the help docs in eclipse
12/13/2007    18:16:06 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I haven't tried to do it in Eclipse, I just do it through the shell
12/13/2007    18:16:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
when I click on the files they're all formatted and everything and I 
can't edit them
12/13/2007    18:16:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh
12/13/2007    18:16:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
maybe that's less fun then
12/13/2007    18:16:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ah, I guess Eclipse is being all clever about rendering the html
12/13/2007    18:16:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
To tell you the truth, I find Eclipse kind of annoying, and have been 
mostly working via the shell.
12/13/2007    18:16:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh ok
12/13/2007    18:16:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Eclipse is useful for debugging, but otherwise it takes more time
12/13/2007    18:17:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Anyway, I'll take a look and email you if I discover anything helpful, 
Jen.
12/13/2007    18:17:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the thing I'm wondering is how we know what docs exist between releases
12/13/2007    18:17:25 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Right, I see what you're saying.
12/13/2007    18:17:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
once we need to link stuff up
12/13/2007    18:17:35 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Well, you know, I could do another beta release next week.
12/13/2007    18:17:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes that would help a lot
12/13/2007    18:17:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
John showed me how to do it.  It might be a good exercise to make sure 
I'm doing it right.
12/13/2007    18:17:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
and then we could see where the gaps are
12/13/2007    18:17:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I am using this doc time to learn to use oboedit
12/13/2007    18:18:06 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, I'll do that next Mon.
12/13/2007    18:18:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so existing docs will be very useful
12/13/2007    18:18:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
thanks.
12/13/2007    18:18:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
mind you
12/13/2007    18:18:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
if you keep checking in then I can read in eclipse, I just can't write
12/13/2007    18:18:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so I can tell you what I think the links go to which is the main thing
12/13/2007    18:18:58 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok
12/13/2007    18:19:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great
12/13/2007    18:19:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'll shut up now
12/13/2007    18:19:06 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Bye, all?
12/13/2007    18:19:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
byeeee
12/13/2007    18:19:19 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I can send the transcript out
12/13/2007    18:19:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Cool, thanks!
12/13/2007    18:19:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
bye!
12/13/2007    18:19:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cheerio