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June 14, 2007	    10:23:48 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I can chat now.
June 14, 2007	    10:23:53 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yay!
June 14, 2007	    10:24:13 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hi y'all
June 14, 2007	    10:26:40 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hi erika
June 14, 2007	    10:26:44 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	how's it going?
June 14, 2007	    10:27:54 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes for me too
June 14, 2007	    10:28:12 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	can the apple people see this chat window and the demo at the same time?
June 14, 2007	    10:28:26 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yay!
June 14, 2007	    10:28:36 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	yes, I can see both

June 14, 2007	    10:28:41 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	great!
June 14, 2007	    10:28:45 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	are you on an apple?
June 14, 2007	    10:29:01 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	but if I'm supposed to have stuff downloaded and set up, I'm not ready for that, having just arrived 5 minutes ago

June 14, 2007	    10:29:15 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	john is just uploading a new beta version
June 14, 2007	    10:29:20 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	so you're not behind yet
June 14, 2007	    10:29:22 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	:-)
June 14, 2007	    10:29:26 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	congratulations by the way. 
June 14, 2007	    10:29:27 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But only people with severe motion sickness need it.
June 14, 2007	    10:29:31 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ok
June 14, 2007	    10:29:33 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	:-)
June 14, 2007	    10:29:34 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Everyone else can download the beta2 version.
June 14, 2007	    10:29:43 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	newer beta version that last night's?

June 14, 2007	    10:29:50 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes but it's just for me
June 14, 2007	    10:30:02 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it allows me to turn off the animation on the graph editor. 
June 14, 2007	    10:30:05 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	aren't you the lucky one

June 14, 2007	    10:30:07 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	critical for me
June 14, 2007	    10:30:12 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	irrelevant for others
June 14, 2007	    10:30:35 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	quite
June 14, 2007	    10:30:46 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	how's it going there at tair?
June 14, 2007	    10:30:57 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	Hi everyone
June 14, 2007	    10:31:02 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hi
June 14, 2007	    10:31:22 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	webex all the way if it works I think
June 14, 2007	    10:31:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, the beta3 release has been committed to sourceforge. Whether or not it's actually available is up to the Lord.
June 14, 2007	    10:31:30 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll have a go
June 14, 2007	    10:31:57 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Is it only to me, or does Jen seem to be having a conversation with someone whose responses are not being shown?
June 14, 2007	    10:32:09 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	'Cause if it's only me, I'm having some kind of problem.
June 14, 2007	    10:32:32 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Whoops, that was my bad. 

June 14, 2007	    10:32:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Whew. I was getting worried.
June 14, 2007	    10:32:45 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I selected the wrong 'set' of people to send messages to.

June 14, 2007	    10:32:52 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	funky!
June 14, 2007	    10:32:59 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	the beta is on sourceforge okay
June 14, 2007	    10:33:11 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you haven't downloaded/installed 2.000-beta2 or 3, please go ahead and do that now.
June 14, 2007	    10:33:40 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	what mirror would it be on?
June 14, 2007	    10:33:47 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I guess it won't have gone to all yet
June 14, 2007	    10:34:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There's no way for me to know.
June 14, 2007	    10:34:20 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	John, what layout should we be using?

June 14, 2007	    10:34:26 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	No layouts anymore!
June 14, 2007	    10:34:35 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	whaaaaaaa?

June 14, 2007	    10:34:42 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(jaw drops)

June 14, 2007	    10:34:42 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it's not on dublin. I'm trying the US ones
June 14, 2007	    10:34:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It's all drag and drop now!
June 14, 2007	    10:35:03 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you've already installed beta2, don't bother upgrading right now. It only matters if you're having memory issues or animations make you ill.
June 14, 2007	    10:35:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(The previous comment does not, of course, apply to Jen)
June 14, 2007	    10:35:20 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(who does get ill from animations)
June 14, 2007	    10:35:31 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	cell ontology.....\
June 14, 2007	    10:35:42 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I'm having memory problems...

June 14, 2007	    10:35:48 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	but they're not obo-edit related.

June 14, 2007	    10:35:48 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	:)

June 14, 2007	    10:35:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	<rimshot>
June 14, 2007	    10:36:01 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Oh Midori, we're so in the same boat.

June 14, 2007	    10:36:40 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	John, your screen shows on my screen as very small.
June 14, 2007	    10:36:51 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Sourceforge is beinng slow for me too. I'm not sure b3 has filtered through. Might be best to start and I'll catch up later
June 14, 2007	    10:36:52 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Say, have you figured out how to see both the chat window and John's screen at the same time?

June 14, 2007	    10:37:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jen - go ahead and install beta2, and you can just tune out for the graph editing parts. A lot of this demo will focus on the new layout system.
June 14, 2007	    10:37:43 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	ah yes, thats what I see too.
June 14, 2007	    10:38:15 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Is the demo window readable?
June 14, 2007	    10:38:17 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	I can see both at once.
June 14, 2007	    10:38:32 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Melissa, are you on a mac?

June 14, 2007	    10:38:37 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	pc
June 14, 2007	    10:38:43 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	'k

June 14, 2007	    10:38:55 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	for me on a mac, when the shared screen first appears, it's full screen, but there's a menu on the lower left with a choice to 'restore view', then I can see both

June 14, 2007	    10:39:06 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	when I opened, it had john's desktop up, then I opened the chat window and both were up.
June 14, 2007	    10:39:18 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	if we're to use our own copy should we start it and stop looking at yours or is yours important too?
June 14, 2007	    10:40:14 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Karen:  got it. Thanks.

June 14, 2007	    10:40:15 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If possible, you should start your own copy, and try to follow along as I demo things.
June 14, 2007	    10:40:35 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	okay will do
June 14, 2007	    10:40:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If that isn't possible because of screen space, you can sit back and watch, and then try things on your own later.
June 14, 2007	    10:40:50 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	good oh
June 14, 2007	    10:41:00 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	ready

June 14, 2007	    10:41:04 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	me too
June 14, 2007	    10:41:07 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	me three
June 14, 2007	    10:41:08 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Is anyone NOT ready?
June 14, 2007	    10:41:14 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	grrr ... Webex dropped me for no apparent reason.  Did I miss anything?

June 14, 2007	    10:41:29 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Nope, we're just getting set up.
June 14, 2007	    10:41:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Karen - are you ready to go?
June 14, 2007	    10:41:54 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	<whew>

June 14, 2007	    10:42:07 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I think Karen might still be installing the beta.
June 14, 2007	    10:42:36 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	I think, Webex is annoying me, when I try to reduce the size of the shared screen to just fit the demo, it reduces the size of your screen, but I've had beta-2 running for 10 minutes, no SF delays here apparently

June 14, 2007	    10:42:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Oh, okay. beta3 is now available on the Phoenix mirror, too.
June 14, 2007	    10:43:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, let's get started.
June 14, 2007	    10:43:14 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(I'm going to try the annotation tools)
June 14, 2007	    10:43:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The first thing to notice is that I've tried a drastic redesign of the menus:
June 14, 2007	    10:44:41 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The help menu is moved over, and the Plugin menu is gone.
June 14, 2007	    10:44:49 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Take a look at the new View menu.
June 14, 2007	    10:45:33 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We'll look at "Layout" in a second. In the "View" menu, you can choose an editing component to add to your screen.
June 14, 2007	    10:45:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Let's add a Graph Editor.
June 14, 2007	    10:46:32 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It added a tab next to the first component on the screen, but I can put the new component anywhere I want via drag & drop.
June 14, 2007	    10:46:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'm going to put it in a tab next to the search panel.
June 14, 2007	    10:47:14 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	is it the same as in eclipse?
June 14, 2007	    10:47:22 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The mechanics of placing panels takes a little getting used to, but it's very similar to eclipse.
June 14, 2007	    10:47:29 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	cooool!
June 14, 2007	    10:47:57 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Can you drag an existing panel to move it?

June 14, 2007	    10:48:02 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You bet.
June 14, 2007	    10:48:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'll move the dag view to a split view under the ontology editor panel.
June 14, 2007	    10:48:14 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	So how do I remove things? (Or am I jumping the gun?)

June 14, 2007	    10:48:22 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	In your view I see little x's beside panels

June 14, 2007	    10:48:30 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	but I don't see such things in the Mac version.

June 14, 2007	    10:48:33 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yeah, I have cool icons, and you probably don't.
June 14, 2007	    10:48:38 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	aha!!!

June 14, 2007	    10:48:40 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's why I was trying to move to Java 1.6
June 14, 2007	    10:48:43 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	I have them too :-)
June 14, 2007	    10:48:52 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	oh.

June 14, 2007	    10:48:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Those icons are only possible in 1.6 (or if I change docking managers)
June 14, 2007	    10:49:05 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It's okay, right click a tab and you'll see a menu with the same options.
June 14, 2007	    10:49:17 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	btw, our mac folks here are running 1.6 with no problems and easy installation.
June 14, 2007	    10:49:18 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	(off to try it ...)

June 14, 2007	    10:49:25 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	To dismiss a panel, right click and choose "close"
June 14, 2007	    10:49:45 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	There is also a funny Search Menu that says FOR FUN !
June 14, 2007	    10:50:06 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	right clicking with no choice makes my panels dissapear
June 14, 2007	    10:50:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yeah, that's an experimental feature that I forgot to take out of the beta release. I'll talk about that in a sec.
June 14, 2007	    10:50:40 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Melissa: Did it fill up the screen with one component?
June 14, 2007	    10:51:09 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	not the whole screen, but the right half
June 14, 2007	    10:51:18 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Happened for me too.

June 14, 2007	    10:51:30 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(what Melissa said)

June 14, 2007	    10:51:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Well, if you close a component, it can sometimes have surprising results, because the layout manager tries to reallocate the space.
June 14, 2007	    10:52:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Another cool feature here is "maximize". First I'll open a bunch of terms in the editor panel.
June 14, 2007	    10:52:21 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	I didn't tell it to close, I never got the menu, it just disapeared when I right clicked.
June 14, 2007	    10:52:23 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	It might be just me but moving stuff around is very jumpy.

June 14, 2007	    10:52:49 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(moving panels around, that is)

June 14, 2007	    10:53:08 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The move preview is really jumpy looking, because it's trying to show you where the component will go if you release the mouse.
June 14, 2007	    10:53:25 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, now that I've opened a bunch of paths, I can click the maximize button (or choose it from the right-click menu)
June 14, 2007	    10:53:33 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I noticed the jumpiness too ... same goes for the editing I tried ..

June 14, 2007	    10:53:40 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The whole screen is now full of the component I tried.
June 14, 2007	    10:53:52 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(said tried, meant clicked)
June 14, 2007	    10:54:05 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	augh

June 14, 2007	    10:54:11 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Webex dropped me

June 14, 2007	    10:54:11 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	works for me on the editor panel
June 14, 2007	    10:54:14 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	and now I'm cloned

June 14, 2007	    10:54:31 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	When I click the "restore" button (or choose "maximize" from the right click menu again), it goes back to normal.
June 14, 2007	    10:54:40 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Huh. I didn't get cloned when it booted me.

June 14, 2007	    10:54:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Or it should go back to normal, in a perfect world.
June 14, 2007	    10:55:02 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	and now I am getting the menu when I right click any panel. hmmm.
June 14, 2007	    10:55:57 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I think the webex windowing system is interfering with my demo here. I'm trying to repair the problem..
June 14, 2007	    10:57:24 AM	    from Harold to All Participants:	John, a more basic  problem: when I tried to load the xml layout you sent  around a couple of weeks ago, the configuration plugin just freezes; 

June 14, 2007	    10:57:46 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	I somehow now have three search menus....
June 14, 2007	    10:57:51 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Don't do that! Any attempt to use layouts now won't work.
June 14, 2007	    10:57:59 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	Harold, it happend to me too
June 14, 2007	    10:58:11 AM	    from Harold to All Participants:	I guess that I confirmed that!

June 14, 2007	    10:58:38 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	is right-click supposed to be option-click on a Mac?

June 14, 2007	    10:58:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you're having problems with the beta, feel free to restart so we're on the same page. I'm trying to showcase concepts here, and there are some known (and not yet known) problems.
June 14, 2007	    10:58:49 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	b3 is working beautifully by the way. tabs moving around and slotting in nicely.
June 14, 2007	    10:58:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Ctrl+click is right-click.
June 14, 2007	    10:59:00 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	There was a layout problem in beta1, tho I suppose if layouts are outtahere I guess it's moot.

June 14, 2007	    10:59:06 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	how do I get something unmaximized? after it's maximized, the only choices are still maximize or close, I want to get back to the view with multiple panels

June 14, 2007	    10:59:18 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	The beta2 is working weel for me too.
June 14, 2007	    10:59:19 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Pick "maximize" again.
June 14, 2007	    10:59:28 AM	    from Harold to All Participants:	b3?!!! I 

June 14, 2007	    10:59:32 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	I have, it does nothing

June 14, 2007	    10:59:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's a bug then. Restart.
June 14, 2007	    10:59:47 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	I've done that already

June 14, 2007	    11:00:00 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	I can't get the ctrl-click menu to appear

June 14, 2007	    11:00:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Are you right-clicking right on the tab?
June 14, 2007	    11:00:30 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	yeah

June 14, 2007	    11:00:38 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Huh. I'll need to look into that, then.
June 14, 2007	    11:00:45 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	and actually, I had to force quit it to even get it to quit, and yes, I'm right clicking on the tab (have to to see the menu, left click doesn't bring it up)

June 14, 2007	    11:01:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Karen - I was asking Jen. I think there's a maximize bug, which is why you're having the problem.
June 14, 2007	    11:01:29 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, let's get back to the other concept that will eventually work perfectly.
June 14, 2007	    11:01:32 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	thats what was happening to me, until I got it to work on the ontology editor panel, then afterwards it worked on all tabs.
June 14, 2007	    11:01:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you go to the View menu, you'll see a Layouts option. Right now "Edit" is selected. Choose "Verify"
June 14, 2007	    11:02:08 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	dropped again!!!

June 14, 2007	    11:02:16 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	the 'unmaximize' worked for me once, but then hasn't again (also 'maximize' when you're already maximized is really unintuitive - need a different word there)

June 14, 2007	    11:02:34 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that worked for me
June 14, 2007	    11:02:36 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Karen - yeah, I know. I haven't yet written the menu name updater piece.
June 14, 2007	    11:03:04 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	anyway, maximize and unmaximize worked once I restarted.

June 14, 2007	    11:03:27 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Adjusting another webex problem...)
June 14, 2007	    11:03:28 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	hmmm, not for me, I'm on my 3rd or 4th restart

June 14, 2007	    11:03:53 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	is the double-clicking on terms to choose them essential? I think I missed a discussion on that. 
June 14, 2007	    11:04:09 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I'm right-clicking (using a 3rd-party multibutton trackball)

June 14, 2007	    11:04:19 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The double-clicking may not be essential. I'm probably going to change that.
June 14, 2007	    11:04:26 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	cool
June 14, 2007	    11:04:49 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Re double-click to select: can we please oh please change it? It's my least favorite O-E 2.0 "feature".

June 14, 2007	    11:04:59 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	me too.
June 14, 2007	    11:05:17 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Probably. I think it'll work to have selection happen on mouseup.
June 14, 2007	    11:05:18 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	seems like he's on to that already
June 14, 2007	    11:05:32 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	on yet another restart, I'm still permanently maximized

June 14, 2007	    11:06:22 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	what does 'verify view' mean?
June 14, 2007	    11:06:41 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	I tried it but nothing happened
June 14, 2007	    11:06:46 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Karen - try to use the following command-line option: -Dprefsdir=junk
June 14, 2007	    11:06:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That should start you with clean preferences.
June 14, 2007	    11:08:08 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	it let me move  panels around to get back to a multipanel view, so I won't maximize again and should be OK

June 14, 2007	    11:08:08 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	By the way, is anyone else's search facility totally hosed? I put in a bug report this morning ...

June 14, 2007	    11:08:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay! I'm back up, and I think everything is now working properly. It looks like there's some bugs in restoring the layouts, so if you can't get  this to work, just watch for now...
June 14, 2007	    11:08:46 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I can't type anything in my search box, if that's what you mean, Midori.

June 14, 2007	    11:08:55 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	me neither
June 14, 2007	    11:09:08 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	I can type in the search box
June 14, 2007	    11:09:12 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I can type into my search box, but I can't get it to search for anything.

June 14, 2007	    11:09:18 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	just typed something in mine, but the search doesn't seem to do anything

June 14, 2007	    11:09:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There's a good chance searching is broken at the moment.
June 14, 2007	    11:09:25 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	it was one of those delay typing things

June 14, 2007	    11:09:34 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	must be in development still. 
June 14, 2007	    11:09:35 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I hit return or click the search button, and nothing happens.

June 14, 2007	    11:09:36 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	but nothing happens when I click on the buttony thing

June 14, 2007	    11:09:45 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(what you said)

June 14, 2007	    11:10:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Realize that this is a genuine beta - stuff is broken.
June 14, 2007	    11:10:34 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway - you can store several different screen configurations
June 14, 2007	    11:10:58 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	cool!
June 14, 2007	    11:10:59 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's what those things in the Layout menu are. There will be a few built in ones, like "Edit" and "Verify", but you can make your own.
June 14, 2007	    11:11:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'll try to do that now, by adding a few things and then saving the new layout.
June 14, 2007	    11:11:29 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	and our stored ones would join the menu?

June 14, 2007	    11:12:23 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	viola! They join the regular menu.
June 14, 2007	    11:12:45 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	are you playing stringed instruments now?

June 14, 2007	    11:12:48 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Also, notice that you can create a floating window out of a panel, and it stays part of the layout.
June 14, 2007	    11:13:03 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Clarinet! It works!
June 14, 2007	    11:13:25 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	rocktastic!
June 14, 2007	    11:13:28 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	like photoshop
June 14, 2007	    11:13:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	See that empty floating window there? That's a bug.
June 14, 2007	    11:13:59 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	It looks lonely.

June 14, 2007	    11:13:59 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	it looks more like a rectangle, john.
June 14, 2007	    11:14:01 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it's a feature waiting to happen
June 14, 2007	    11:14:17 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	al it needs is documentation ;)

June 14, 2007	    11:14:20 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I may switch to a different docking framework, because this kind of thing annoys me about this toolkit. You won't know the difference, though. This is how the thing will work.
June 14, 2007	    11:14:28 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	cool
June 14, 2007	    11:14:32 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	very nice
June 14, 2007	    11:14:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay... the next thing to look at is the new improved text editor.
June 14, 2007	    11:14:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Which probably will have its own share of new improved bizarre bugs...)
June 14, 2007	    11:15:02 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	do you still want bug reports on the basics, e.g. search (or lack thereof)?

June 14, 2007	    11:16:21 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'd like bug reports on really big things, like "The whole search system doesn't work", but otherwise I'm still going to ask for bugs in certain areas (like "Is typing really sluggish in some areas of the application?")
June 14, 2007	    11:16:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay: The new and improved text editor (you may just want to watch at first, because I'm using a file where I've intentionally introduced some errors).
June 14, 2007	    11:17:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	First thing to notice: I've redesigned the dbxref editor.
June 14, 2007	    11:17:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now, you double-click a dbxref in the list, and an editor appears in place.
June 14, 2007	    11:17:57 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	coolllllllllllllllllllllllllll
June 14, 2007	    11:18:10 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	that's nice! I keep expecting o-e 1.x to do that.

June 14, 2007	    11:18:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	This should make much better use of the avilable space.
June 14, 2007	    11:18:29 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now, look what happens if I intentionally mess up a dbxref.
June 14, 2007	    11:18:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It turned red, and the caption at the top changed.
June 14, 2007	    11:18:59 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If I mouse over the red dbxref, it'll tell me what's wrong.
June 14, 2007	    11:19:20 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	nice!
June 14, 2007	    11:19:26 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	In fact, if I mouse over ANYTHING red, it'll tell me what's wrong.
June 14, 2007	    11:19:36 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	nice!
June 14, 2007	    11:20:08 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Oooo!
June 14, 2007	    11:20:14 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And if you want a summary, mouse over the dealy at the top.
June 14, 2007	    11:20:14 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(We need defs that end with exclamation points.)

June 14, 2007	    11:20:20 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that will save a lot of time
June 14, 2007	    11:20:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If I really mess things up, the icon becomes more urgent.
June 14, 2007	    11:21:08 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Right now, if you click "click for more details", nothing happens.
June 14, 2007	    11:21:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But what WILL happen is that the "Verify" layout will be loaded automatically, with a full list of the current problems and associated "quick-fix" icons.
June 14, 2007	    11:21:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Also, notice what error we see when I mouse over "sequenc"
June 14, 2007	    11:22:13 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	it's a dictionary!

June 14, 2007	    11:22:30 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	this is all great isn't it?
June 14, 2007	    11:22:31 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I've plugged in the Jazzy spell checking system.
June 14, 2007	    11:22:47 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Excellent ... I thought my mouseovers weren't working, but in fact they're just really slow to appear.

June 14, 2007	    11:23:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Midori - I think I can improve that response time.
June 14, 2007	    11:23:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	One last thing on the text editor before we move on...
June 14, 2007	    11:23:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I also plan to retool the synonym editor so that it looks like the new dbxref editors. Is that okay with everybody?
June 14, 2007	    11:24:06 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	no prob

June 14, 2007	    11:24:07 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Or more generally, does anyone hate the new dbxref editors?)
June 14, 2007	    11:24:08 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes
June 14, 2007	    11:24:12 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	nope
June 14, 2007	    11:24:20 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	yes ok
June 14, 2007	    11:24:21 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	not sure what you mean, not familiar with the new dbxref editor

June 14, 2007	    11:24:41 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	yes ok too (no hating)

June 14, 2007	    11:24:41 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	can you give us a whirl again?
June 14, 2007	    11:24:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Where you double-click a list item to edit, rather than the old "list on the left, editor on the right" system.
June 14, 2007	    11:25:03 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	can we see one more time?
June 14, 2007	    11:25:05 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Watch as I edit "pee:pod" by double-clicking it.
June 14, 2007	    11:25:35 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes that seems better use of space
June 14, 2007	    11:25:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(It's a really gross children's story)
June 14, 2007	    11:25:42 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	is the double click optional?
June 14, 2007	    11:25:48 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I think I'm having response-time issues again.

June 14, 2007	    11:25:53 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	I like this new dbxref editor
June 14, 2007	    11:25:57 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	me too
June 14, 2007	    11:26:06 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	is that why you've spelled it 'pee', rather than 'pea'?

June 14, 2007	    11:26:08 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I always have space problems with the synnym editor
June 14, 2007	    11:26:13 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	If it weren't so dang slow I think I'd love it.

June 14, 2007	    11:26:20 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(karen - yes, gross huh?)
June 14, 2007	    11:26:52 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	is single click possible to activate the editor?
June 14, 2007	    11:26:53 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The slowness is going to take a lot of careful work to fix, so be ready for that. There are a bunch of background timers making all this happen, and they'll need careful adjustment.
June 14, 2007	    11:27:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The list editor really does need to be a double-click, because you need to reserve single-click for selection so you can delete things.
June 14, 2007	    11:27:21 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	OK; I think it'll be worth it, 'cos it's frustrating me now.

June 14, 2007	    11:27:41 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	(fixing the slowness is worth it, I mean)

June 14, 2007	    11:27:48 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	the single click happens after the diting is activated though isn't it?
June 14, 2007	    11:28:07 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Wait, not sure I know what you mean by list editor.

June 14, 2007	    11:28:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	When you double-click an item on the list, a "list editor" appears in place so you can change the item.
June 14, 2007	    11:28:38 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	show us, please?

June 14, 2007	    11:28:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The "make the editor appear" gesture needs to be a double-click.
June 14, 2007	    11:29:00 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Let me put a few things in the list, I think that will help.
June 14, 2007	    11:29:40 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	aren't you using the blue button there rather than double click?
June 14, 2007	    11:29:56 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	we could do that too
June 14, 2007	    11:29:57 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The blue + adds a dbxref, the - removes the selected dbxrefs.
June 14, 2007	    11:30:02 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ah!
June 14, 2007	    11:30:02 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	So  the "List" is the set of dbxrefs?

June 14, 2007	    11:30:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I single click a dbxref to select it.
June 14, 2007	    11:30:19 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Thus making it possible to delete the dbxref.
June 14, 2007	    11:30:20 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hmm
June 14, 2007	    11:30:22 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yea I see
June 14, 2007	    11:30:29 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	I like it.
June 14, 2007	    11:30:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	To edit one of the guys in the list, you double-click.
June 14, 2007	    11:30:39 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	could you have right click and choose delete or edit?
June 14, 2007	    11:30:40 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	got it

June 14, 2007	    11:30:57 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	for the double-click shy amongst us
June 14, 2007	    11:30:57 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	after I've edited it, how do I escape the editor?

June 14, 2007	    11:31:01 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jen - absolutely. That's a great idea.
June 14, 2007	    11:31:06 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	cool
June 14, 2007	    11:31:06 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	That's fine. The double-click that's driving me nuts is the dbl-click-to-select in the ontology editor panel.

June 14, 2007	    11:31:08 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	:-)
June 14, 2007	    11:31:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jane - click anywhere outside, or press enter, or tab out.
June 14, 2007	    11:31:38 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	So, we're out of time. Should I go on to the graph editor, or should we do another demo next time.
June 14, 2007	    11:31:38 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	aha - gottit

June 14, 2007	    11:31:58 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I have to go now, there's a council of war forming downstairs
June 14, 2007	    11:32:02 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I vote for another demo

June 14, 2007	    11:32:11 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	I've got some other stuff to do, so I vote for another demo too

June 14, 2007	    11:32:40 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	me too ... it seems there's a lot more to cover.

June 14, 2007	    11:32:49 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	me too
June 14, 2007	    11:32:52 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay. Do people want to meet next week, or should we wait the full 2 weeks again? We're entering a phase where I would like a lot of feedback on the changes I'm making, so next week would be nice for me...
June 14, 2007	    11:32:53 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes it all looks great though doesn't it?
June 14, 2007	    11:33:04 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	next week would work for me
June 14, 2007	    11:33:08 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	I'm on vacation next week, so I vote against meeting at that time

June 14, 2007	    11:33:17 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I think I can make next week.

June 14, 2007	    11:33:17 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	next week is fine for me
June 14, 2007	    11:33:24 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	fine for me too

June 14, 2007	    11:33:27 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I might be late if we do it next week ... I can wait two weeks if that's better all around.

June 14, 2007	    11:33:27 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	we can record the demo in full here
June 14, 2007	    11:33:32 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	both text and screen share
June 14, 2007	    11:33:36 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	for those who are absent
June 14, 2007	    11:33:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Here's what I think we should do:
June 14, 2007	    11:34:02 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	That reminds me -- can someone who didn't get ejected save and send the chat transcript?

June 14, 2007	    11:34:12 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	In all honesty, I will never get around to watching a saved demo, but I could save the chat transcript 

June 14, 2007	    11:34:14 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Let me do some bug fixes this week, and we'll go over these features (and my final fixes to the text editor responsiveness) again next week.
June 14, 2007	    11:34:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We'll do the graph editor when Karen comes back. Does that sound okay?
June 14, 2007	    11:34:29 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	works for me

June 14, 2007	    11:34:29 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	good plan

June 14, 2007	    11:34:30 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	OK by me.

June 14, 2007	    11:34:32 AM	    from Melissa Haendel to All Participants:	great
June 14, 2007	    11:34:37 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	john will get the transcript from when he quits
June 14, 2007	    11:34:43 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	good :)

June 14, 2007	    11:34:49 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	sounds good
June 14, 2007	    11:34:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jen - webex will send it to me automatically?
June 14, 2007	    11:35:12 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it asks if you want to send it to all participants and you click yes
June 14, 2007	    11:35:26 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	and hope they spelled their email addresses well
June 14, 2007	    11:35:32 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Great. See most of you next week!
June 14, 2007	    11:35:36 AM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	see ya!
June 14, 2007	    11:35:41 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	bye!

June 14, 2007	    11:35:41 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Bye

June 14, 2007	    11:35:46 AM	    from Karen R Christie to All Participants:	bye

June 14, 2007	    11:35:47 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	see you