OE Webex 18Dec07

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12/18/2007    17:32:30 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	I'm afraid this won't be a particularly exciting chat today!
12/18/2007    17:32:34 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Hi guys!
12/18/2007    17:32:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Made it; I can stay 'til about 6
12/18/2007    17:32:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	We should be done by then.
12/18/2007    17:33:14 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I don't have anything to make it take longer!
12/18/2007    17:33:18 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	Hi all
12/18/2007    17:33:20 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	hey- some of us are on all attendees, change to all participants
12/18/2007    17:33:43 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Hi David; welcome to the working group
12/18/2007    17:33:44 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Does all attendees send to everyone except the host?
12/18/2007    17:33:48 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	yes
12/18/2007    17:33:49 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	yup
12/18/2007    17:33:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	No wonder it seemed so quiet.  You guys were talking behind my back!
12/18/2007    17:34:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	sorry
12/18/2007    17:34:10 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	rumbled!
12/18/2007    17:34:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I was chattering away here
12/18/2007    17:34:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I missed it all, Jen.
12/18/2007    17:34:51 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	"David, can you tell Nomi about yourself?" - sure. Hi Nomi - I'm the anatomy and development ontology person at FlyBase. - Kindof the Melissa of FB...
12/18/2007    17:34:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it wasn't very exciting
12/18/2007    17:35:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	So you're in Cambridge, David?
12/18/2007    17:35:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	where is Melissa the David of then?
12/18/2007    17:35:37 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	?
12/18/2007    17:35:47 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	"
where is Melissa the David of then?" I'll let her answer that one.
12/18/2007    17:35:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	what database are you in Melissa?
12/18/2007    17:35:56 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	yep Cambridge
12/18/2007    17:36:03 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	oh, sorry, zebrafish information network- zfin, in oregon
12/18/2007    17:36:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Ah!
12/18/2007    17:36:14 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I'm sure you'll all be glad to hear that it's cold and rainy here in Berkeley, California.
12/18/2007    17:36:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's always good news
12/18/2007    17:36:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Anyway, let's go ahead and start.
12/18/2007    17:36:42 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	david and I play very similar roles for our respective organizations- and I thought it would be very helpful to have another anatomist in our WG
12/18/2007    17:36:55 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Definitely.
12/18/2007    17:37:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	So, did any of you get a chance to install the beta release from yesterday?  Chris M. installed it and said it worked fine.
12/18/2007    17:37:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm the plant version
12/18/2007    17:37:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	not yet
12/18/2007    17:37:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It is not very different from the previous release.  Mostly I wanted to make sure I could do it.
12/18/2007    17:37:41 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	haven't tried it, I'm afraid ... 
12/18/2007    17:37:55 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	the email came as normal (good sign)
12/18/2007    17:37:55 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	And I integrated your help text, Jen, so you should check and make sure I got it all.
12/18/2007    17:38:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I edited it only minimally.
12/18/2007    17:38:29 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	FIres up OK.  Haven't done any testing though.
12/18/2007    17:38:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes will do. Thanks
12/18/2007    17:38:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	You can all feel free to edit the help pages--just be sure to commit your changes frequently because I will be updating some of them as well.
12/18/2007    17:38:56 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Thank *you* for all the help text.
12/18/2007    17:39:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	you're welcome :-)
12/18/2007    17:39:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall we download it now?
12/18/2007    17:39:25 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	No need.
12/18/2007    17:39:40 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Try it some time soon and let me know if you encounter any problems.
12/18/2007    17:39:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok
12/18/2007    17:39:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I don't expect there to be any new bugs beyond what it already had.
12/18/2007    17:40:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Speaking of bugs:  what are the current top bug priorities?
12/18/2007    17:40:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Nicole reported yesterday that Save wasn't working right.  Have others noticed that?
12/18/2007    17:40:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oops, forgot to do that
12/18/2007    17:40:59 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	As I said,  I haven't tried b26; it seems to be OK in b25
12/18/2007    17:41:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh yes, the id fixer was a priority
12/18/2007    17:41:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I'll have to see if I can figure out why it didn't work for Nicole.  (Fortunately, she works in the same office as me.)
12/18/2007    17:41:31 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	... but if it really is borked in b26, then fixing it would be a very high priority indeed.
12/18/2007    17:41:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but not a deathly urgent one
12/18/2007    17:41:41 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	I have managed to save from beta 25.  Some odd behaviour on graph editor though.  Will investigate further and submit bug report ASAP.
12/18/2007    17:42:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Whatever this Save issue is, I would be surprised if it were new to b26.  I assume it was there in b25 as well, and only certain conditions trigger the problem.
12/18/2007    17:42:06 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	(sorry- been out on vacation, not much to report here)
12/18/2007    17:42:08 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	My feeling on bugs is that when I get back I'll want to start hunting for new ones ;)
12/18/2007    17:42:14 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	Agree, ID fixer A1 priority.
12/18/2007    17:42:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I have a lot of feature requests that are needed to make things useable
12/18/2007    17:42:30 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	There's quite a bit that I just haven't tested at all, so who knows what I might find ...
12/18/2007    17:42:30 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I will see what I can do with the ID fixer.
12/18/2007    17:42:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	so not bugs but not exactly just nice-to-haves either.
12/18/2007    17:42:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Jen, have you already submitted your feature requests to SF?
12/18/2007    17:42:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes they're all in there.
12/18/2007    17:43:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Unless they are very straightforward, it's unlikely that I'll be able to add new features.
12/18/2007    17:43:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's okay
12/18/2007    17:43:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It took John years to get that good.
12/18/2007    17:43:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes I know the feeling
12/18/2007    17:43:57 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Jen, I'll try to take a look at your suggested features and see if there are some that might be doable.
12/18/2007    17:44:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	All of you, don't forget to set an appropriate priority when you post your bug or feature request to SF.
12/18/2007    17:44:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok
12/18/2007    17:44:28 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I'll trust you guys not to give all of your bugs an 11.
12/18/2007    17:44:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	as luck would have it the feature request tracker is down
12/18/2007    17:45:19 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It sounds like one new feature that would be cool (though not essential) would be some sort of interface to let you browse the OBO Foundry ontologies and choose one to load.
12/18/2007    17:45:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall we make top priority ones the ones that need fixed so we can do our daily editing to test further
12/18/2007    17:45:27 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	sadly, it not only doesn't go to 11, you can't even make 10 louder -- the priority dropdown only goes to 9
12/18/2007    17:45:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	jen- sounds sensible
12/18/2007    17:45:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	The feature request tracker is down?
12/18/2007    17:45:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there are some more urgent ones like making the graph less tangly
12/18/2007    17:46:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	just temporarily
12/18/2007    17:46:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It's working for me.
12/18/2007    17:46:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	and me
12/18/2007    17:46:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Graph less tangly sounds hard.
12/18/2007    17:46:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I think that rather than adding grand new features it would be good to add the features that make the current features useable
12/18/2007    17:46:31 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes I thought so to
12/18/2007    17:46:38 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Yes, that makes sense, but that doesn't mean they will be easy to add.
12/18/2007    17:46:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	though the graph comes from software that was written by a guy in our office so he might give us hints
12/18/2007    17:46:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	true
12/18/2007    17:47:01 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	the one thing that seems really important to me is v.2 output from obomerge (but didn't someone say it would be hard??)
12/18/2007    17:47:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	would you rather add new easy features
12/18/2007    17:47:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	midori, that one sounds more tedious than hard.
12/18/2007    17:47:19 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	"the one thing that seems really important to me is v.2 output from obomerge (but didn't someone say it would be hard??)" agreed
12/18/2007    17:47:34 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	agreed that important that is, no idea how hard
12/18/2007    17:47:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Jen, maybe you could ask the graph software programmer about the tangly graphs?
12/18/2007    17:47:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it really is quite important though
12/18/2007    17:47:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	true
12/18/2007    17:47:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I mean yes
12/18/2007    17:48:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the obomerge v1.2 thing is really getting critical
12/18/2007    17:48:05 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	bear in mind that I haven't the foggiest which things are easy or hard ... I just thought I recalled a comment from last mtg ...
12/18/2007    17:48:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	By v.2 you mean OBO v.2?  I know nothing about the different OBO format versions.
12/18/2007    17:48:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes it rang a bell with me too
12/18/2007    17:48:22 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	anyway, the request is https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1813704&group_id=36855&atid=418260
12/18/2007    17:48:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	maybe we should just concentrate on the docs and any bugs and feature requests that are doable
12/18/2007    17:48:54 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Do you use obomerge from the command line to merge two versions of an ontology?
12/18/2007    17:48:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there are really a lot of quite small feature requests
12/18/2007    17:48:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
12/18/2007    17:49:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	How different is v.2 from v.1?
12/18/2007    17:49:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the thing is that now we have systematic synonyms
12/18/2007    17:49:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that are lost in the 1.0 format
12/18/2007    17:49:21 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Hmm.
12/18/2007    17:49:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we'd have to put them back in by hand after a merge
12/18/2007    17:49:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's really all
12/18/2007    17:49:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I guess it can be done with bbedit but it would be nice to have obomerge catch up
12/18/2007    17:49:47 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	aren't consier and replace also 1.2 specific?
12/18/2007    17:49:53 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	consider
12/18/2007    17:49:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh yes
12/18/2007    17:50:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ture
12/18/2007    17:50:00 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Do you have v.1 and v.2 versions of the same ontology so I can look at the differences?
12/18/2007    17:50:02 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	true
12/18/2007    17:50:10 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	a bunch of little differences ... e.g. the synonym categories that Jen's referring to; how synonyms are formatted in the file, etc.
12/18/2007    17:50:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	What's bbedit?
12/18/2007    17:50:18 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	(not all just to do with synonyms)
12/18/2007    17:50:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	you can just load in 1.2 and save out in 1.0 to see it
12/18/2007    17:50:31 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ok.  I'll try that.
12/18/2007    17:50:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	or looks at the ones online actually
12/18/2007    17:50:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	There are only a few more work days this year.
12/18/2007    17:50:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	they are linked from the GO website. Hang on
12/18/2007    17:51:03 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	obo 1.2 has the replaced by and consider tags- which are lost in 1.0 I believe
12/18/2007    17:51:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	http://www.geneontology.org/ontology/gene_ontology_edit.obo
12/18/2007    17:51:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	http://www.geneontology.org/ontology/gene_ontology.obo
12/18/2007    17:51:19 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	"you can just load in 1.2 and save out in 1.0 to see it" - yep.  we could all do it with our current versions and diff what's missing.  At least this could give us priorities for what we need from new obomerge.
12/18/2007    17:51:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	1.2 then 1.0 of same file
12/18/2007    17:51:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it's mainly the systematic synonyms, and I guess also the consider and repalced by tags
12/18/2007    17:52:07 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ok
12/18/2007    17:52:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	also there was a problem with handling of alt ids and obsoletes
12/18/2007    17:52:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm not sure if John fixed that
12/18/2007    17:52:17 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	But to be reliable for everyone should take into account all 1.0-1.2 differences.  They are well documented I think..
12/18/2007    17:52:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes true
12/18/2007    17:52:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	format docs online http://www.geneontology.org/GO.format.obo-1_2.shtml and http://www.geneontology.org/GO.format.obo-1_0.shtml
12/18/2007    17:52:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I could meet with Nomi separately maybe and give a demo of how it all works
12/18/2007    17:52:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and what exactly doesn't work
12/18/2007    17:52:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	would that help?
12/18/2007    17:53:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I do a lot of obomerging after content meetings
12/18/2007    17:53:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Yes, but not yet.  Let me poke around a bit first.
12/18/2007    17:53:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	rightio
12/18/2007    17:53:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	So our next meeting will be January 3rd, right?
12/18/2007    17:53:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I am back on the 7th
12/18/2007    17:54:01 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	I'll be around
12/18/2007    17:54:22 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	any time fine for me
12/18/2007    17:54:28 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	There may not be much to say on the 3rd since all work will have ceased for the holidays.
12/18/2007    17:54:38 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Should we meet anyway, or not bother?
12/18/2007    17:54:49 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I don't mind (I'll be back by then)
12/18/2007    17:55:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Sounds like there will be three of you
12/18/2007    17:55:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Let's plan to meet (briefly) then.  I'll send out a reminder.
12/18/2007    17:55:23 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	OK
12/18/2007    17:55:38 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	reminders always good.
12/18/2007    17:55:44 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	sounds good, I promise to test a bit before then
12/18/2007    17:55:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Maybe Chris Mungall can come.  He's someone who could do a lot of this fixing (e.g. the obomerge thing) but he is involved in many projects.
12/18/2007    17:56:27 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	Yep - would definitely be good to have Chris in the meeting
12/18/2007    17:56:28 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	he often lurks here when we have relevant agendas....lets do our homework and tell him whats up
12/18/2007    17:56:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Can you tell me under what circumstances you use obomerge?
12/18/2007    17:56:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Is it when two people make edits on the same ontology?
12/18/2007    17:56:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes more or less
12/18/2007    17:57:02 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ok.
12/18/2007    17:57:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it's when we have a content meeting and take a branch of the file that is edited separately for several months
12/18/2007    17:57:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	then we want to merge back in
12/18/2007    17:57:32 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Right
12/18/2007    17:57:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	sometimes we screw up and use the same id twice and that is why the id fixer is there
12/18/2007    17:57:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	currently we fix that with a perl script
12/18/2007    17:57:57 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	But the id fixer is currently broken?
12/18/2007    17:58:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
12/18/2007    17:58:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it's very new
12/18/2007    17:58:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the obomerge is tried and trusted but only does 1.0 format
12/18/2007    17:58:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and does not handle consider and replace tags very well actually
12/18/2007    17:58:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I don't see the id fixer bug on the SF list (offhand).
12/18/2007    17:58:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'll check
12/18/2007    17:59:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	there's this one: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1849447&group_id=36855&atid=418257
12/18/2007    17:59:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1849447&group_id=36855&atid=418257
12/18/2007    17:59:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes that would be the one
12/18/2007    17:59:33 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Oh, I was accidentally looking at the closed bugs rather than the open ones.  Oops.
12/18/2007    17:59:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	aha - links passing in the night!
12/18/2007    17:59:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	easily done
12/18/2007    17:59:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I have closed all my defunct bugs
12/18/2007    17:59:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Thanks.
12/18/2007    18:00:24 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	If the id fixer is new and was not ever working properly then I'm not optimistic about being able to fix it quickly.
12/18/2007    18:00:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's okay
12/18/2007    18:01:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it's pretty complex, I looked
12/18/2007    18:01:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	And the obomerge fixing I can theoretically do but I think it will take a while.
12/18/2007    18:01:35 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	The bug report had me worried because I always assumed oboedit always warned if same ID used for two terms.
12/18/2007    18:01:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	nope
12/18/2007    18:01:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I think it just dumps one of the terms
12/18/2007    18:02:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	So that was the case in OE1 as well?
12/18/2007    18:02:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
12/18/2007    18:02:14 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	yeah, thats really been a problem for us too
12/18/2007    18:02:17 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	That sucks - it's pretty fundamental to what we do to avoid clashing IDs.
12/18/2007    18:02:21 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	yes
12/18/2007    18:02:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we just have eye-crossing levels of concentration on not getting duplicate ids
12/18/2007    18:02:39 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Did John know that it was a high-priority bug?
12/18/2007    18:02:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm not sure
12/18/2007    18:02:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I thought he had thousands
12/18/2007    18:03:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I didn't realise alot of the open ones were considered defunct
12/18/2007    18:03:28 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Well, the id fixer bug report was submitted *after* John's last day ...
12/18/2007    18:03:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	was it?
12/18/2007    18:03:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh yes
12/18/2007    18:03:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I was trying to document it
12/18/2007    18:03:52 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	Guess I'll rely on perl-scripts to check for id dups for now.
12/18/2007    18:03:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good poin t
12/18/2007    18:04:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I guess we did not prioritize very well before though
12/18/2007    18:04:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I shoudl go through and set prioritiies
12/18/2007    18:04:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	when you use obomerge it complains about id clashes
12/18/2007    18:04:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I just hoped the id fixer would actually do something about them
12/18/2007    18:04:48 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I see an obomerge bug where it wasn't working at all in b16
12/18/2007    18:04:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that was me too I think
12/18/2007    18:05:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Is there also a feature request that says "make obomerge work for v.2"?
12/18/2007    18:05:34 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	yes - it'- the SF link I sent a little while age
12/18/2007    18:05:40 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	.. er, ago
12/18/2007    18:06:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there are three in that case
12/18/2007    18:06:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Shall I get all three?
12/18/2007    18:06:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Oh, I see it.  It was made in a very low-key way--no wonder John didn't get to it.
12/18/2007    18:06:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	was it?
12/18/2007    18:07:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	what is low-key?
12/18/2007    18:07:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I need to not do that
12/18/2007    18:07:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	do you mean it wasn't clear?
12/18/2007    18:07:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	No, it was clear, just didn't sound urgent:  "Would it be possible to get obomerge to output in OBO 1.2 format?"
12/18/2007    18:07:31 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	means it didn't draw a lot of attention to itself
12/18/2007    18:07:31 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh I see
12/18/2007    18:07:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It sounded kind of like, "Would it be possible to get a nicer background color?"
12/18/2007    18:07:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	All my messages are like that
12/18/2007    18:07:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh
12/18/2007    18:07:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok
12/18/2007    18:07:53 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	You understated Brits. :-)
12/18/2007    18:07:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yep
12/18/2007    18:08:02 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	you want "WE NEED OBO 1.2 OUTPU TFORM OBOMERGE YESTERDAY!!!"
12/18/2007    18:08:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ooooo
12/18/2007    18:08:14 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	(minus the typos, tho ...)
12/18/2007    18:08:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's going to take some getting used too
12/18/2007    18:08:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	if someone said that to me I would dete the messsage
12/18/2007    18:08:33 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	delete I mean
12/18/2007    18:08:36 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Maybe you could ease into it gradually by using priorities
12/18/2007    18:08:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	(bear in mind that I exaggerated for humorous effect there)
12/18/2007    18:08:42 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	which get the point across without shouting.
12/18/2007    18:08:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes priorities sound good
12/18/2007    18:08:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I will do that
12/18/2007    18:09:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that would certainly explain why my bugs often go unnoticed
12/18/2007    18:09:13 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I already went in and upped a few priorities for some of the items we just talked about.
12/18/2007    18:09:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok
12/18/2007    18:10:05 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Well, I oughta get going here ...
12/18/2007    18:10:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I think we're done.
12/18/2007    18:10:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	happy travels
12/18/2007    18:10:19 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Thanks for joining us.
12/18/2007    18:10:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Happy holidays to all!
12/18/2007    18:10:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	want me to send the transcript again?
12/18/2007    18:10:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and  happy new year :-)
12/18/2007    18:10:41 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Sure, that would be great.
12/18/2007    18:10:42 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	OK.... Will try to do plenty of testing before next meeting...
12/18/2007    18:10:46 PM    from David OS to All Participants:
	see y'
12/18/2007    18:10:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cheerio
12/18/2007    18:10:52 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Bye
12/18/2007    18:10:54 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Bye
12/18/2007    18:10:57 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	bye1
12/18/2007    18:11:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	ok, bye all, and happy new year!