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from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Hi.
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Hello :-)
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: (Good morning!)
from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I was just trying to reproduce your "text
editor jiggling" bug and it doesn't happen for me.
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah!
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I thought it might be one of those
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I bet it wouldn't show on webex either
from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Have you had your eyes checked? :-)
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-)
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: rigorously
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: what do I do about that?
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm not sure how to show you a bug like that.
from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Let's see if midori has seen it.
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: are you ever on a mac?
from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Yes, I'm always on a Mac!
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah!
from Jen Deegan to All Participants: intel mac?
02/19/2008    09:30:54 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I think so.
02/19/2008    09:31:05 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll try it on my windows computer and see if it does it
02/19/2008    09:31:08 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	just a sec
02/19/2008    09:31:31 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	But since we're both on Macs, and you see it on your Mac, I'm not sure how relevant it is whether you see it on Windows...
02/19/2008    09:31:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	true
02/19/2008    09:31:47 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I just like playing with it
02/19/2008    09:31:50 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	midori, have you seen this problem?
02/19/2008    09:31:51 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1896866&group_id=36855&atid=418257
02/19/2008    09:32:47 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Hi, all.
02/19/2008    09:33:10 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Jen wrote: "When I am working in the text Editor Panel and I click somewhere or changea bit of text the top part of the text editor panel jiggles up and downcontinuously. 
02/19/2008    09:33:13 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	"
02/19/2008    09:33:14 AM    from midori to All Participants:	Sort of -- I haven't been aware of a problem when I'm editing one term, but the spacing around text varies for no apparent reason when I select different terms.
02/19/2008    09:33:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that's the one
02/19/2008    09:33:46 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I don't recall continuous jiggling.
02/19/2008    09:33:49 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it doesn't happen on windows, I just checked
02/19/2008    09:33:56 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, I did notice the spacing around the text varying.  Is that what you meant by jiggling?
02/19/2008    09:34:01 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes
02/19/2008    09:34:08 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I didn't mean super-continuously
02/19/2008    09:34:16 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	just really quite a lot
02/19/2008    09:34:25 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	each time I click or thereabouts
02/19/2008    09:34:31 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Haven't noticed this on linux
02/19/2008    09:35:05 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I got booted
02/19/2008    09:35:15 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it does look like a wordprocessing file going from single space to 1.5 space on and off
02/19/2008    09:35:16 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Which means I didn't hear anything after my last "I'll look into it"
02/19/2008    09:35:23 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	in the heading of the panel
02/19/2008    09:35:33 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	and also means that I've lost some of the chat transcript, so I hope someone else can save the whole thing.
02/19/2008    09:35:51 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	shall I skype it to you? the missing bit
02/19/2008    09:36:00 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Ok
02/19/2008    09:36:32 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	done
02/19/2008    09:36:34 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	So, there are suddenly a lot more "showstopper" items on the tracker!
02/19/2008    09:36:42 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I guess that's because people have been doing more testing.
02/19/2008    09:36:43 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	No, scratch that.  Some text editor jigglyness on Linux too - just tested.
02/19/2008    09:36:47 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I've saved what we've got so far (but I get booted a lot too, so there might be some splicing, unless someone else catches the whole thing)
02/19/2008    09:36:54 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll save it.
02/19/2008    09:36:59 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I've never been booted
02/19/2008    09:37:02 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	touch wood
02/19/2008    09:37:04 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	I'll save too, just to be sure
02/19/2008    09:37:07 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	(Jen, I didn't get your Skype--can you email me?)
02/19/2008    09:37:11 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes
02/19/2008    09:37:25 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I used to never get booted.  I think last week was the first time it happened to me.
02/19/2008    09:37:31 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	done (gmail)
02/19/2008    09:37:34 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Oops, I guess midori just got booted.
02/19/2008    09:37:38 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	oh dear
02/19/2008    09:37:41 AM    from midori to All Participants:	my turn to get chucked ....
02/19/2008    09:38:03 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	if you booted people would like to talk to webex tech support they're veryhelpful
02/19/2008    09:38:18 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I mailed their addresses to the list
02/19/2008    09:38:33 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I will look into all the "red" issues on SF, but are there any that we should discuss now?
02/19/2008    09:38:42 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Did everybody get the request to close out of date or finished items?
02/19/2008    09:38:44 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I called the support line a while back, and eventually they were stumped.
02/19/2008    09:38:48 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	oh
02/19/2008    09:38:50 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	oh well
02/19/2008    09:39:22 AM    from midori to All Participants:	all but one or two of mine are current; will check the remaining  ones soon
02/19/2008    09:39:35 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	mine are also current
02/19/2008    09:39:46 AM    from melissaH to All Participants:	mine are not- will prioritize asap.
02/19/2008    09:39:51 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	thanks
02/19/2008    09:40:10 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I am tweaking some priorities.  I hope no one will be offended if I lower the priority on their items based on other feedback.
02/19/2008    09:40:35 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	You can do anything you like to mine
02/19/2008    09:40:36 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	(For example, the search tab thing.)
02/19/2008    09:40:38 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	sure
02/19/2008    09:41:08 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I was taking your advice and being more whiney but you can tone me down
02/19/2008    09:41:13 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	:-)
02/19/2008    09:41:22 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Did I tell you to be more whiny?  I don't remember saying that.
02/19/2008    09:41:25 AM    from midori to All Participants:	My latest should stay high priority ... the rest are fair game ;)
02/19/2008    09:41:35 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	My children must think I gave them similar advice. :-)
02/19/2008    09:41:41 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Only thing I can see which must stay top priority is overzelous delete (187099).
02/19/2008    09:42:08 AM    from midori to All Participants:	that's the one
02/19/2008    09:42:09 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I will look at that soon.
02/19/2008    09:42:37 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I admit that I sometimes have a tendency to work on bugs that aren't high priority just because they're easy to fix, whereas some of the higher-priority bugs are too hard (e.g. those involving running time and/or the reasoner).
02/19/2008    09:43:00 AM    from midori to All Participants:	a lot like me and term request SFs ...
02/19/2008    09:43:04 AM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Sounds like me working on SF items. :)
02/19/2008    09:43:08 AM    from midori to All Participants:	snap!
02/19/2008    09:43:11 AM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	urk
02/19/2008    09:43:15 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	:-)
02/19/2008    09:43:24 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	any bugs fixed are good
02/19/2008    09:44:00 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Jen, why are some of your bug reports today on b30 and others on b29?
02/19/2008    09:44:34 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	over-zealousness in counting. I have not yet tried b30. I will fix it
02/19/2008    09:44:42 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Did anyone get a chance to try sub-selection in b30?  I hope it's behaving correctly now (other than the minor coloring issue that I noted).
02/19/2008    09:45:16 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	haven't tried b30 at all yet
02/19/2008    09:45:26 AM    from midori to All Participants:	haven't got to it yet ... tried to do a real edit, and ran into the evil delete-too-much bug
02/19/2008    09:45:51 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Which you realize is unlikely to be a new bug
02/19/2008    09:45:59 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	...it's presumably been present in previous betas as well.
02/19/2008    09:46:34 AM    from midori to All Participants:	most likely ... makes me realize how skewed my testing has been.
02/19/2008    09:46:52 AM    from midori to All Participants:	is it worth checking older betas?
02/19/2008    09:47:04 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Sub selection OK in b30 on linux (just tested).
02/19/2008    09:47:13 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Good, thanks, David.
02/19/2008    09:47:31 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	midori, I check older betas if there's any reason to believe that something used to work.
02/19/2008    09:47:44 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I can check about the delete-too-much bug.
02/19/2008    09:48:24 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	If it did work in some beta and then it broke, that's always useful info.
02/19/2008    09:48:43 AM    from midori to All Participants:	OK; I just don't remember whether I tested delete ... seems like I must have, but I'm not sure.
02/19/2008    09:49:31 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	Interesting, I did some edits of relationships in b29, but that was the one thing I did via the graph editor and it seemed to work just fine
02/19/2008    09:49:52 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I will see if I can recreate the problem.  I may be asking for additional info.
02/19/2008    09:50:04 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	As in, I deleted relationships via the graph.
02/19/2008    09:50:08 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	About the issue where the search result tabs crowd out the search tab:  I will look into that.
02/19/2008    09:50:22 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I'll try b29 again ... I think I must have tested delet to make sure the documentation was up to date ...  unless I dreamt it??
02/19/2008    09:50:28 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	thanks. I will visit Midori too as she says she doesn't have that problem
02/19/2008    09:50:45 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	but it sounds like John already punted on it, so I doubt I will be able to fix that quickly.
02/19/2008    09:50:50 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	The tab issue is annoying - but you can easily get around it with the arrow that shows up on the right of the subwindow.
02/19/2008    09:50:58 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, if midori can explain how she makes it work, we can add that to the documentation.
02/19/2008    09:51:15 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	great
02/19/2008    09:51:16 AM    from midori to All Participants:	No, I said I do see the crowding; it's just not a 2.0 big deal because I get the crowding in 1.1 too.
02/19/2008    09:51:27 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	midori, I would be really surprised if delete broke between b29 and b30, since I didn't change anything relating to that, but it's always possible.
02/19/2008    09:51:28 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	really? I don't in 1.101
02/19/2008    09:51:34 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	we can have a look
02/19/2008    09:52:02 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I noticed ages ago that 1.101 tabs behave differently on yours & mine. Might have to do with our layouts ...
02/19/2008    09:52:08 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes
02/19/2008    09:52:13 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	The tab names are often so long in 2.0, that I've  just gotten used to using the arrow/pulldown on the right to get back to the search
02/19/2008    09:52:15 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Ok, Jen and midori, let me know what you conclude.  It seems like we may have to live with the current behavior, but we can try to document it so that it doesn't surprise anyone.
02/19/2008    09:52:42 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	we can have a think about tab header contents too
02/19/2008    09:52:55 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes--I actually made those longer by adding the result count back in.
02/19/2008    09:53:02 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	If people don't like that, I can take it out.
02/19/2008    09:53:14 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I liked having it optional.
02/19/2008    09:53:30 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	How was it configured?
02/19/2008    09:53:31 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes a short option would be good. Like jus the number of resutls
02/19/2008    09:53:39 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	In the config manager?
02/19/2008    09:53:48 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	in the spanner on that panel I thought
02/19/2008    09:53:54 AM    from midori to All Participants:	In previous betas it was search parameters or count, but not both. Easiest thing might be to add the 'both' option.
02/19/2008    09:54:12 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I can do that.
02/19/2008    09:54:14 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it is in the spanner
02/19/2008    09:54:26 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Ok.
02/19/2008    09:55:22 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	By the way, I invited Amina to join us at this meeting, but I think it's like midnight where she is.
02/19/2008    09:55:32 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	She is now on the OEWG mailing list, though.
02/19/2008    09:55:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I just discovere that the configuring doesn't work in mine
02/19/2008    09:55:48 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll put in a bug report
02/19/2008    09:56:01 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that's good that she's on the list
02/19/2008    09:57:22 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	would it be possible to have an option on the search result tab that just has the number of results and no information on the contents of the search?
02/19/2008    09:57:34 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that's how it is in 1.101 unless you change it manually. I like that
02/19/2008    09:57:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I could put in a feature request
02/19/2008    09:57:48 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	That is one of the options already, isn't it?
02/19/2008    09:57:54 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it doesn't seem to be
02/19/2008    09:57:58 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I just tried
02/19/2008    09:58:00 AM    from midori to All Participants:	that was an option in earlier betas, and I thought Nomi just said she would add the option to have both
02/19/2008    09:58:12 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Maybe I'm missing it
02/19/2008    09:58:33 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I just got it to do that.
02/19/2008    09:58:51 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I have it.
02/19/2008    09:58:57 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	got it
02/19/2008    09:58:58 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	The spanner config for the search panel worked for me (I just tried it)
02/19/2008    09:59:07 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it just looked really weird and I couldn't figure it out
02/19/2008    09:59:11 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	worked for me too
02/19/2008    09:59:15 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes I've got that now
02/19/2008    09:59:16 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	It only changes future searches, not the tabs for searches that were already completed.
02/19/2008    09:59:30 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I will put in a feature reques that will make the interface more intutitive
02/19/2008    09:59:38 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	thanks
02/19/2008    09:59:43 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Ok, so there's not a bug?  I just need to add the option to have only the contents or both the contents and the count?
02/19/2008    10:00:08 AM    from midori to All Participants:	there should be 4 options:
02/19/2008    10:00:18 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes
02/19/2008    10:00:39 AM    from midori to All Participants:	nothing, result count, search criteria, or both description and count
02/19/2008    10:00:49 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Ok.  That should be doable.
02/19/2008    10:00:54 AM    from midori to All Participants:	cool
02/19/2008    10:00:57 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	are you keeping an eye on the feature request tracker too?
02/19/2008    10:01:06 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	By the way, when Jen wants the search results to be sub-tabs of the search tab--what are sub-tabs?  Can you give me an example?
02/19/2008    10:01:13 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	some of my bugs go i there because my requests are improvements 
02/19/2008    10:01:17 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yes hang on
02/19/2008    10:01:26 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll get a picture for comparison
02/19/2008    10:01:30 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, I am keeping an eye on the feature request tracker; however, those are usually lower on my list than bug fixes.
02/19/2008    10:01:31 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	don't wait though
02/19/2008    10:01:40 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	You can send me the picture later.
02/19/2008    10:01:44 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	could you keep them as high priority?
02/19/2008    10:01:49 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	many are just as high for me
02/19/2008    10:01:55 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	as they are workarounds for problems
02/19/2008    10:02:03 AM    from midori to All Participants:	how much more do we have for today's meeting?
02/19/2008    10:02:06 AM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(and once more I need to run to another meeting, sorry)
02/19/2008    10:02:08 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Well, I can't keep everything at the top of my list, and generally adding a new feature is more time-consuming than fixing a bug.
02/19/2008    10:02:16 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Bye, Tanya.
02/19/2008    10:02:18 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ture
02/19/2008    10:02:21 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	true I mean
02/19/2008    10:02:22 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	midori, I can stay as long as needed.
02/19/2008    10:02:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	but we in the group shoudl make it clear which is most useful shouldn't we?
02/19/2008    10:02:48 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	You guys know that I only work 60% for LBNL, and not all of that time is spent on OBO-Edit--right?
02/19/2008    10:02:50 AM    from midori to All Participants:	OK; I was actually wondering whether I could duck out early ...
02/19/2008    10:03:00 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	we can stop now
02/19/2008    10:03:04 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, please do let me know if there are requested features that are really important.
02/19/2008    10:03:04 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	if you prefer
02/19/2008    10:03:08 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	thanks
02/19/2008    10:03:10 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Couple questions
02/19/2008    10:03:14 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	quick ones...
02/19/2008    10:03:15 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	midori, you can go if you want.
02/19/2008    10:03:18 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, David?
02/19/2008    10:03:27 AM    from midori to All Participants:	nayway, the wg agreed that features generally are way lower priority than bugs ...
02/19/2008    10:03:46 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Is there a stderr file to submit with bugs.  There used to be - but can't seem to find it.
02/19/2008    10:03:49 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	?
02/19/2008    10:04:02 AM    from midori to All Participants:	I'll catch up via the  transcript (of which I have some parts, in case they'd be useful to fill in)
02/19/2008    10:04:10 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I actually added that to the tracker--it doesn't seem to save stderr anymore.
02/19/2008    10:04:30 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I had noticed that too.  Is that important to fix?
02/19/2008    10:04:39 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Most of the bugs that have been reported recently are GUI-based, anyway.
02/19/2008    10:04:43 AM    from midori to All Participants:	you can submit the oboedit00.log files instead
02/19/2008    10:04:57 AM    from midori to All Participants:	9ont that I have any idea what's in 'em)
02/19/2008    10:05:00 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Ahhh, where do they live?
02/19/2008    10:05:05 AM    from midori to All Participants:	.oboeditbeta
02/19/2008    10:05:34 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	In my .oboeditbeta, there's a file called obodit00.log [sic] but it is empty and has not been updated in several days
02/19/2008    10:05:37 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	OK.  Perhaps useful to launch from command line and copy the stuff that gets churned out what I hit a bug?
02/19/2008    10:05:41 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	So that doesn't seem to be reliable.
02/19/2008    10:05:45 AM    from melissaH to All Participants:	yeah, I think john did this so that the files wouldn't get so big
02/19/2008    10:05:55 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yeah, stderr can get very big.
02/19/2008    10:06:06 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I think I need to rethink what I consider to be feature. I find there can be small missing feature that make a tool unuseable. I will enter these as bugs from now on.
02/19/2008    10:06:12 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Michael Ashburner sent me his and it was so big that my computer kind of gagged on it.
02/19/2008    10:06:38 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Jen, I don't think you need to enter desired features as bugs.  Enter them as features, give them a high priority, and (optionally) send me a quick note about them.
02/19/2008    10:06:50 AM    from melissaH to All Participants:	but it is strange, I've been playing around with OE2 today and there is nothing new in either log file, despite crashes and strange happenings...
02/19/2008    10:06:52 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	If they are really simple and quick additions, I can certainly add them.
02/19/2008    10:07:00 AM    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	I believe all logging is done using the java.util.logging package so there should be some generic way to control logging
02/19/2008    10:07:12 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I've found that with OE, it's difficult to predict what's going to be hard to fix/add and what's going to be easy.
02/19/2008    10:07:28 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Thanks
02/19/2008    10:07:50 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I can make it save all stderr easily enough, but I'm not sure what to do about the issue of it getting really big.
02/19/2008    10:08:34 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Presumably it's the stuff around the crash time that's important no?  
02/19/2008    10:08:50 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Yes, but how does the logger know when a crash is imminent?
02/19/2008    10:08:56 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	So isn't it possible to just limit the max size stored?
02/19/2008    10:09:11 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Possibly.  I'm not sure offhand.
02/19/2008    10:09:25 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	You're opening an output file and dumping stuff in it
02/19/2008    10:09:34 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I don't think it would be easy to automatically remove the old stuff as the file gets big.
02/19/2008    10:09:43 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	And if you stop adding new stuff to the file, that's not good.
02/19/2008    10:09:51 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	ahhh  - OK
02/19/2008    10:10:08 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	So although it is a sensible idea in theory, I'm not sure how easy it would be in practice.
02/19/2008    10:10:29 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	Nomi, could you possibly make me host of the meeting so I can send you a file?
02/19/2008    10:10:33 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	I think that there would sometimes be multiple stderr files, with numbers appended to the ones after the first
02/19/2008    10:10:54 AM    from midori to All Participants:	gotta go; bye all!
02/19/2008    10:10:56 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	so perhaps there used to be a size limit and when one file got to the limit, it would start saving to a new one
02/19/2008    10:11:00 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	bye Midori
02/19/2008    10:11:09 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	Bye Midori
02/19/2008    10:11:21 AM    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	bye Midori
02/19/2008    10:11:36 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Rats, I got booted again.
02/19/2008    10:11:45 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I still have the transcript
02/19/2008    10:12:00 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Good.
02/19/2008    10:12:01 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I am sending you a file by skype with search pics in it
02/19/2008    10:12:04 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	I made you the host, Jen.
02/19/2008    10:12:07 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ta
02/19/2008    10:12:16 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	So - I have a couple of cases of crashes to submit as bugs.  I copied the stuff going on on the command line when they happened.  Hope this will be of some use.
02/19/2008    10:12:22 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	Your last skype didn't get to me.  I don't have a Jen chat open in my Skype.
02/19/2008    10:12:32 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	David, yes, that will definitely be useful.  Crashes are bad.
02/19/2008    10:12:33 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	can you open skype? I can't send a file by webex today for some reason
02/19/2008    10:12:43 AM    from melissaH to All Participants:	I've got some more delete bug stuff I'm submitting now too.
02/19/2008    10:14:35 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	can you not stop the meeting too quickly at the end?
02/19/2008    10:14:40 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I need to save the transcript
02/19/2008    10:14:49 AM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:	You are now in control of ending the meeting, Jen.
02/19/2008    10:14:52 AM    from David OS to All Participants:	yep - I'm done.
02/19/2008    10:15:47 AM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	byeeeeeee