OE Webex 20Sep07

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09/20/2007    17:25:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	hi

09/20/2007    17:28:06 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	hi
09/20/2007    17:28:17 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	I wondered whether anyone else would turn up.
09/20/2007    17:28:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	:-)

09/20/2007    17:28:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	would you fancy a demo of the oboedit source code in eclipse while we wait?

09/20/2007    17:30:02 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	John's just sent me a message via skype ... I think he's on his way.
09/20/2007    17:30:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	oh righty

09/20/2007    17:30:50 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	Hi gals, how are you?

09/20/2007    17:31:16 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	not bad ... a bit frazzled, what with meeting coming right up
09/20/2007    17:31:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	good thanks, you?

09/20/2007    17:31:54 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	pretty well here....head is above water. are you all as understaffed as we seem to be?

09/20/2007    17:32:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	yep :-)

09/20/2007    17:32:14 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	no kidding
09/20/2007    17:32:23 PM    from Midori Harris to All Attendees:
	Jane's on leave, you know.
09/20/2007    17:32:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	have you lost people too?

09/20/2007    17:32:48 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	yes, Erik in January and have yet to replace. and another curator out on maternity leave too.

09/20/2007    17:33:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	how many people do you have?

09/20/2007    17:33:15 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	9 curators

09/20/2007    17:33:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	that's good then

09/20/2007    17:33:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Attendees:
	Hey, it vaguely worked.
09/20/2007    17:33:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi John

09/20/2007    17:33:50 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	hey 

09/20/2007    17:33:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hello, super-friends.
09/20/2007    17:33:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I asked about the mac problem with chat and demo

09/20/2007    17:34:03 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	(I want to be aqua man)

09/20/2007    17:34:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let me guess:
09/20/2007    17:34:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	"Webex continues to offer quality solutions to all users"
09/20/2007    17:34:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	apparently the floating menu bar isn't supported in mac

09/20/2007    17:34:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes that's about it

09/20/2007    17:34:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I wrote back to ask when it would be supported

09/20/2007    17:34:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no answer yet

09/20/2007    17:34:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	"Share and enjoy!"
09/20/2007    17:34:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	they do pretty well to be fair

09/20/2007    17:34:56 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I guess that would explain why I don't even know what this floating menu bar is ...
09/20/2007    17:35:03 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that would indeed

09/20/2007    17:35:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I can probably get you a picture.

09/20/2007    17:35:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If we're going to do a demo, I'll switch to my Windows emulator.
09/20/2007    17:35:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh I have to wait until john is demo ing

09/20/2007    17:35:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	is that the vmware thing

09/20/2007    17:35:44 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Helllo!

09/20/2007    17:35:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi!

09/20/2007    17:35:50 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hi, Erika.
09/20/2007    17:35:58 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	no hurry
09/20/2007    17:35:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - I use Parallels now. It's awesome.
09/20/2007    17:36:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh really?

09/20/2007    17:36:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	sounds interesting

09/20/2007    17:37:00 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Way better than VMWare. Better performance, and it has a mode called "coherance mode", where it does some trickery to make you windows applications look like they're really on your mac, not running in an emulator.
09/20/2007    17:37:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(even though they are)
09/20/2007    17:37:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ooooo

09/20/2007    17:37:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	so this is  a thing to let you have windows on a mac then?

09/20/2007    17:37:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes.
09/20/2007    17:37:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ah right

09/20/2007    17:37:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	not so good for me then

09/20/2007    17:38:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	what's the plan for today?

09/20/2007    17:38:43 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I thought today was office hours, because last week was a meeting, and I assumed everyone was rushing to complete their presentations for the consortium meeting.
09/20/2007    17:38:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh I see

09/20/2007    17:39:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good call

09/20/2007    17:39:03 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I've fixed all the bugs that I could reproduce from our office hours session on Monday, by the way.
09/20/2007    17:39:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	great!

09/20/2007    17:39:12 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I also thought office hours, and have put in some more bug reports.
09/20/2007    17:39:32 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I can't get any of your Windows XP bugs to happen though, Jen. My laptop is a perfect little gentleman.
09/20/2007    17:39:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh

09/20/2007    17:39:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	so those ones aren't fixed?

09/20/2007    17:40:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Can't fix it if I can't make it happen.
09/20/2007    17:40:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	true

09/20/2007    17:40:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	any thoughts?

09/20/2007    17:40:29 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	The most show-stopping of my bugs is that I can't save.
09/20/2007    17:40:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	reinstall my laptop from scratch?

09/20/2007    17:40:38 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	!
09/20/2007    17:41:13 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - I'd say wipe out all your oboedit settings, make sure they're really dead, and reinstall. Also apply any pending Java updates, if you've been letting them slide.
09/20/2007    17:41:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori - say more about that.
09/20/2007    17:41:43 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(To everyone else - since this is office hours, it's going to be all bug talk. If you aren't interested in that, it's fine to go home)
09/20/2007    17:41:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	how do I make sure they're really dead? My java's bang up to date and I did delete the config folder

09/20/2007    17:41:48 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	Jen, I've had to do this too (I'm windows) othewise I just get a blue screen

09/20/2007    17:41:49 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Just checking now to see if I have the same problem at home.
09/20/2007    17:42:23 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	I had to delete all of .oboeditbeta in its entirety

09/20/2007    17:42:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	melissa does the new search work for you?

09/20/2007    17:42:48 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Initial report is SF 1796292
09/20/2007    17:42:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I deleted all of .oboeditbeta too

09/20/2007    17:43:05 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	hmmm, have to admit haven't tested much. I've had such trouble just getting it to go. I'll try it now

09/20/2007    17:43:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ta

09/20/2007    17:43:28 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	MMMH!To be honest I have not  been using obo 2. so many time to have bugs but I would like

09/20/2007    17:43:29 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I think I do have the problem here. The symptom is that the save dailog doesn't appear ...
09/20/2007    17:43:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	erika have you tried on your xp machine?

09/20/2007    17:43:40 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	but it is useful for me to follow the discussion

09/20/2007    17:44:00 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I just missed the last minute from a webex crash.

09/20/2007    17:44:04 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	oh yes, I can't find any results

09/20/2007    17:44:22 PM    from melissaH to All Attendees:
	and then it freezes

09/20/2007    17:44:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	erika, it wouldbe useful if you could load the go file and test the new search facility on your xp machine

09/20/2007    17:44:37 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	OK Jen!

09/20/2007    17:44:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall I paste in the conversation for john?

09/20/2007    17:44:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes, please.

09/20/2007    17:44:59 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	sorry forgot

09/20/2007    17:45:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - you should search your hard drive for any file containing .oboedit, just to make sure there aren't multiple copies.

09/20/2007    17:45:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'll put it in skype

09/20/2007    17:45:08 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	... er, dialog. Typed correctly or incorrectly, it hasn't put in an appearance. Three minutes and counting since I chose "Save As" from the file menu ...
09/20/2007    17:45:20 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Jen - usually I work on a Linux but for attend the webex chat I need to use windows

09/20/2007    17:45:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	could you possibly test on windows just to see?

09/20/2007    17:46:01 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	yes, sure

09/20/2007    17:46:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I have a problem on my windows machine

09/20/2007    17:46:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - I DID test on windows. That's what I mean about my laptop being a perfect gentleman. No problems at all.

09/20/2007    17:46:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no it's okay I was talking to erika

09/20/2007    17:46:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Ah, I see.

09/20/2007    17:46:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I was wondering if she had the same problem as me

09/20/2007    17:46:55 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	John- when hit search it freezes

09/20/2007    17:47:02 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	same as me

09/20/2007    17:47:12 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	JEn- could you tell me your bug? so I will see if I can reproduce it on my laptopo?

09/20/2007    17:47:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Same problem as Jen. Give me an example search - maybe it has to do with the kind of search you're doing.

09/20/2007    17:47:21 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I think I could search on the Mac ...
09/20/2007    17:47:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	search in the new search thing on anything at all

09/20/2007    17:47:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it should freeze solid

09/20/2007    17:47:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it's the search that does not say 'legacy'

09/20/2007    17:47:58 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	must kill current oboedit process to double-check -- it's still stalled on failing to produce the save dialog.
09/20/2007    17:48:05 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	I'm searching the cell ontology for 'cell'

09/20/2007    17:48:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I find that the cell ontology works much better than go

09/20/2007    17:48:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I just searched on my windows laptop, using the new control, in beta13, on the search "have a Name that contains the value cell"

09/20/2007    17:48:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	because it is smaller

09/20/2007    17:48:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It worked just fine.

09/20/2007    17:48:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	have you tried GO?

09/20/2007    17:48:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	This IS go.

09/20/2007    17:48:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ah!

09/20/2007    17:48:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good

09/20/2007    17:48:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But... it's an older version of gene_ontology_edit.

09/20/2007    17:48:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I wonder how erika gets on

09/20/2007    17:49:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let me try downloading the up-to-the-second newest version.

09/20/2007    17:49:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	erika how are you getting on?

09/20/2007    17:49:30 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I have load cell ontology

09/20/2007    17:49:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	can you load go instead?

09/20/2007    17:49:42 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	but now I decided to use GO

09/20/2007    17:49:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ah!

09/20/2007    17:50:11 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Sorry, my machine is slow :-(

09/20/2007    17:50:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's good for this

09/20/2007    17:50:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - what's your current memory setting?

09/20/2007    17:50:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it chooses 1200M on startup but says 512M in config as I recall. I'll check

09/20/2007    17:51:13 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	mine says 768 in the config manager

09/20/2007    17:51:19 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	searching is worknig with latest GO on mac
09/20/2007    17:51:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes that's right

09/20/2007    17:51:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall I change it in the config manager?

09/20/2007    17:51:39 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	something like 612

09/20/2007    17:52:31 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It works just fine for me, even with the newest GO!

09/20/2007    17:52:37 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Do you have the reasoner on, Jen?

09/20/2007    17:52:49 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	I loaded the zfin anatomy and search name or synonym for 'fin and it froze again.

09/20/2007    17:52:59 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I just spotted a small search bug!
09/20/2007    17:53:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	nope

09/20/2007    17:53:04 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	(can't even quit)

09/20/2007    17:53:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I changed it to 1200M and it still hung

09/20/2007    17:53:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	me neither

09/20/2007    17:53:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Remember, memory settings changes don't take effect until you restart.

09/20/2007    17:53:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh

09/20/2007    17:53:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'll try that

09/20/2007    17:53:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Wait.

09/20/2007    17:53:41 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	reasoner has been off

09/20/2007    17:53:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I have an idea.

09/20/2007    17:53:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen & Mel, zip up your .oboeditbeta directories right now and send them to me (via skype is fine)

09/20/2007    17:54:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the memory setting wasn't retained

09/20/2007    17:54:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it is back to 512M

09/20/2007    17:54:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - something else to try:

09/20/2007    17:54:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes?

09/20/2007    17:55:06 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    17:55:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Go to your Applications/OBO-Edit directory, and open the file oboedit.vmoptions with a text editor.

09/20/2007    17:55:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Shut down OBO-Edit first!)

09/20/2007    17:55:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes?

09/20/2007    17:56:02 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I have searched for plasticity in the GO and now I cannot do anything else.OOE is blocked!

09/20/2007    17:56:03 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	mmm rings a bell

09/20/2007    17:56:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	same as me erika

09/20/2007    17:56:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What does the file say?

09/20/2007    17:56:24 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	oh :-(

09/20/2007    17:56:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	-Xmx512M

09/20/2007    17:56:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I can put it to 1200 and try again?

09/20/2007    17:56:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes, but don't set it higher than your actual memory.

09/20/2007    17:56:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That would be very bad.

09/20/2007    17:56:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)

09/20/2007    17:57:09 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I have 1G RAM.

09/20/2007    17:57:19 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	putting newly discovered search bug in SourceForge
09/20/2007    17:57:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	config now shows 1200

09/20/2007    17:57:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Now try it, Jen.

09/20/2007    17:57:40 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	John - could you suggest me a range for OE memory?

09/20/2007    17:57:48 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I have 1 G RAM

09/20/2007    17:57:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	About 80% of your total memory. Try 768

09/20/2007    17:58:02 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	thanks

09/20/2007    17:58:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh dear. It still hangs with 1200M

09/20/2007    17:58:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	sorry

09/20/2007    17:58:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What could be different about your machine and mine...?

09/20/2007    17:58:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let me try something else...

09/20/2007    17:58:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	is your machine and actual PC or is it your emulator?

09/20/2007    17:58:48 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	we have the female touch :-)

09/20/2007    17:58:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)

09/20/2007    17:59:11 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's a Windows XP laptop.

09/20/2007    17:59:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	same as me

09/20/2007    17:59:28 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	mine is a windows xp desktop

09/20/2007    17:59:33 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but there are three showing the bug right?

09/20/2007    17:59:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes.

09/20/2007    18:00:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'll try the eclipse version on y machine

09/20/2007    18:00:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - if you press ctrl+alt+del and look at the task manager, how many oboedit.exe's do you see in there?

09/20/2007    18:00:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	just one

09/20/2007    18:01:20 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	me too, and I've been quitting from there

09/20/2007    18:01:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	me too

09/20/2007    18:02:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It won't shut down properly?

09/20/2007    18:02:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	eeep!

09/20/2007    18:03:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it works from eclipse

09/20/2007    18:03:09 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	no

09/20/2007    18:03:38 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	I get the shut down window (yes/no) but I can't see anything in the box to choose yes.

09/20/2007    18:04:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It works from eclipse??!!

09/20/2007    18:04:30 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Melissa I have your same problem

09/20/2007    18:04:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen, please confirm!

09/20/2007    18:04:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi yes

09/20/2007    18:04:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, new plan:

09/20/2007    18:04:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes it works from eclipse

09/20/2007    18:05:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - zip up your OBO-Edit installation directory (where the actual exe files are)

09/20/2007    18:05:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:05:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	You'll need to kill any existing OBO-Edit processes to do this.

09/20/2007    18:05:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:05:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Then delete your .oboeditbeta directory again (this will also require you to kill OBO-Edit processes)

09/20/2007    18:05:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:05:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And then reinstall from a clean installer.

09/20/2007    18:06:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:06:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	now?

09/20/2007    18:06:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes.

09/20/2007    18:06:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm on it

09/20/2007    18:06:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If this works, I want the zipped-up OBO-Edit application folder you made, so I can do some forensics.

09/20/2007    18:06:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:06:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	app zipped

09/20/2007    18:06:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	THAT'S the different between us: this laptop had never had a recent OBO-Edit 2 beta on it.

09/20/2007    18:07:28 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	John - I saw I have three oboedit.exe active

09/20/2007    18:07:38 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I killed two of them

09/20/2007    18:08:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi

09/20/2007    18:08:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	each time I delete one of these thing

09/20/2007    18:08:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it says a process is still using them

09/20/2007    18:08:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but it deletes them anyway

09/20/2007    18:09:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh, no it doesn't

09/20/2007    18:09:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there's a zombie process using 143k of ram

09/20/2007    18:10:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Make sure that Eclipse isn't running anything.

09/20/2007    18:10:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That was my problem too.

09/20/2007    18:10:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	eclipse is definately gone

09/20/2007    18:10:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I shut it

09/20/2007    18:10:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - restart if you have to, then, or try killing all java's under the Process tab of the task manager.

09/20/2007    18:10:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	weird. still can't delete beta folder

09/20/2007    18:10:53 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Erika - kill all your oboedit.exes.

09/20/2007    18:10:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There should not be more than one.

09/20/2007    18:11:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'll restart. Back in a bit

09/20/2007    18:11:59 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I kill all  of them

09/20/2007    18:12:10 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	and restart OE

09/20/2007    18:12:20 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I can load GO

09/20/2007    18:12:25 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I turn off reasoner

09/20/2007    18:12:32 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Excellent. Now we need to wait for Jen to get back to find out if this full deletion worked.

09/20/2007    18:12:52 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	ok!  finger crossed!

09/20/2007    18:14:57 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	While we're waiting, has anyone else tried to save a file in beta13?
09/20/2007    18:15:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Just hangs when you click "Save As"?

09/20/2007    18:15:38 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	NO, I haven't

09/20/2007    18:15:57 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Yep. Nothing else happens, until I get tired of waiting and kill obo-edit
09/20/2007    18:16:56 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	... and i do have to kill it; the quit option isn't available 'cos the whole damn app  is hanging.
09/20/2007    18:18:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The good news is that it happens to me too. I think the problem is that the verification manager is running a ton of tests, but the progress bar isn't appearing to tell you about it.

09/20/2007    18:19:32 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I thought that happened later, after the dialog box appeared, but ... 
09/20/2007    18:20:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen, are you back?

09/20/2007    18:20:09 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	let me see if it's any better if I turn off some checks on save.
09/20/2007    18:20:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes

09/20/2007    18:20:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I have sent you the fiels

09/20/2007    18:20:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	files

09/20/2007    18:20:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	now installing

09/20/2007    18:20:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Wait -

09/20/2007    18:20:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes?

09/20/2007    18:21:09 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I want to make sure it's clear that you need to completely delete the Program Files/OBO-Edit directory before you install.

09/20/2007    18:21:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes I did that

09/20/2007    18:21:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, great. Proceed, then.

09/20/2007    18:21:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:22:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it set the memory correctly this time

09/20/2007    18:22:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	!

09/20/2007    18:22:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The suspense is killing me!

09/20/2007    18:23:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hung

09/20/2007    18:23:12 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I am doing the same thing Jen is doing 

09/20/2007    18:23:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	sorry

09/20/2007    18:23:23 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	finger crossed!

09/20/2007    18:23:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Sigh.

09/20/2007    18:23:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	quite

09/20/2007    18:23:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good that it works from eclipse though :-)

09/20/2007    18:24:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The ONLY reason that it would work from Eclipse and not from the installation directory is that there's something wrong with the installation directory.

09/20/2007    18:24:16 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	In other news, with only the definition check set to run on save, the save dialog is nowhere to be seen, and o-e is stalled.
09/20/2007    18:24:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Do you have special permissions set up on your Program Files directory, Jen?

09/20/2007    18:24:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no

09/20/2007    18:24:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I don't know how to do that

09/20/2007    18:24:57 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	(there's something up with the verification system anyway, tho  - I put in two bug reports about it)
09/20/2007    18:25:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori - don't worry too much about that. I can reproduce it, so I'll find it.

09/20/2007    18:25:10 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	ok
09/20/2007    18:25:26 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	have you tried to reproduce the verification bugs?
09/20/2007    18:25:38 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Well, the double-reporting isn't really a bug, exactly.

09/20/2007    18:25:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	you know when an application crashes and it says 'send error report' can we send it to you somehow?

09/20/2007    18:26:00 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Every disjoint violation really is 2 disjoint violations. So that's more a display problem.

09/20/2007    18:26:13 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - that's a microsoft-specific dump, so it wouldn't help me.

09/20/2007    18:26:14 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Well, it's still damned odd (except that it's an even number).
09/20/2007    18:26:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:26:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let me try to use the files Jen sent to reproduce this OBO-Edit bug on windows one more time...

09/20/2007    18:26:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	it couldn't be just the the source in eclipse is newer and better could it?

09/20/2007    18:27:05 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I get it, but I think it would make more sense to reprot the number of terms that wiolate disjointness (and that's what 1.x does).
09/20/2007    18:27:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - probably not. I don't have the problem when I install from the packaged installers, either.

09/20/2007    18:27:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:27:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I might pop off soon 

09/20/2007    18:27:49 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	John - I have uninstall all OE version on my PC

09/20/2007    18:27:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	go and have dinner, as it were

09/20/2007    18:27:56 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	delete all folders

09/20/2007    18:28:08 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	and all .oboedit and .oboedit folders

09/20/2007    18:28:25 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	re install it

09/20/2007    18:28:36 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	if I search

09/20/2007    18:29:14 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	it seems working because I saw a window with Querying written in it

09/20/2007    18:29:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let's wrap this up. I'll use the data I collected from Mel and Jen to try to reproduce the problem.

09/20/2007    18:29:21 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good luck

09/20/2007    18:29:23 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	ok

09/20/2007    18:29:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Erika - that's a good sign!

09/20/2007    18:29:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does it give you results?

09/20/2007    18:29:38 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	but I do not have any search result

09/20/2007    18:29:43 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	no