OE Webex 21Jun07

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June 21, 2007	    10:31:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Hi, Erika & Midori. Can you see OBO-Edit?
June 21, 2007	    10:34:46 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Hi, everyone. Can you all see OBO-Edit?
June 21, 2007	    10:34:57 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	yes

June 21, 2007	    10:35:36 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	Jen can't make it tonight by the way

June 21, 2007	    10:35:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's too bad. I added a feature just for her.
June 21, 2007	    10:36:29 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I have a feeling that this is all we're going to have here today, so maybe we should start.
June 21, 2007	    10:36:29 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	I'll let her know :)

June 21, 2007	    10:37:33 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Is everybody ready to go?
June 21, 2007	    10:37:41 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	BTW, the webex set up looks different today
June 21, 2007	    10:37:43 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	and much better!
June 21, 2007	    10:37:57 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I can see both John's oboedit and the chat window
June 21, 2007	    10:38:13 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	without trying to wedge them together myself.
June 21, 2007	    10:38:31 AM	    from Pascale to All Participants:	hi, just wondering, is ther echat here or using a separate client?
June 21, 2007	    10:38:32 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's good, although I have no clue why it would be different today.
June 21, 2007	    10:38:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We're chatting here this time.
June 21, 2007	    10:38:59 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Although I'll log into IRC and make sure no one is confused)
June 21, 2007	    10:39:02 AM	    from Pascale to All Participants:	great ! makes it easy
June 21, 2007	    10:40:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There's nobody in our IRC room, so we can start. Although I haven't heard anything from Erika or Midori, so I wonder if they're actually here...
June 21, 2007	    10:40:24 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Erika
June 21, 2007	    10:40:30 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	change your send to option to be
June 21, 2007	    10:40:33 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	all participants
June 21, 2007	    10:40:35 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	instead of all
June 21, 2007	    10:40:39 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	all attendeeds
June 21, 2007	    10:40:42 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	attendees
June 21, 2007	    10:40:46 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	done
June 21, 2007	    10:40:47 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	cause John can't see your messages
June 21, 2007	    10:40:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Hi, Erika!
June 21, 2007	    10:41:06 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	you too midori
June 21, 2007	    10:41:10 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	hello John
June 21, 2007	    10:41:29 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(that was my error last time)
June 21, 2007	    10:41:36 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	mine used to default to all participants!

June 21, 2007	    10:41:38 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	Thanks Tanya
June 21, 2007	    10:41:43 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	np
June 21, 2007	    10:41:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Whew! Now I feel like we're a family again.
June 21, 2007	    10:42:01 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, I'll get started.
June 21, 2007	    10:42:49 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The first thing you'll notice is that the docking panels look different. I switched to the IDW docking framework instead of the thing I was using before. This framework is a lot stabler, so most of the bugs from the previous beta were fixed automatically.
June 21, 2007	    10:43:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can still move panels by dragging the title bar at the top...
June 21, 2007	    10:43:36 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	In this docking framework, if you want to make a tabbed pane, drag the title bar of one panel onto the title bar of another.
June 21, 2007	    10:44:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The other docking framework behaved a little differently in this respect.
June 21, 2007	    10:44:37 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You'll notice a collection of cute li'l buttons on the title bar.
June 21, 2007	    10:44:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	From right to left they are...
June 21, 2007	    10:44:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Close
June 21, 2007	    10:44:52 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Maximize
June 21, 2007	    10:44:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Minimize
June 21, 2007	    10:44:57 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Undock
June 21, 2007	    10:44:59 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Options
June 21, 2007	    10:45:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Pressing the Close button makes a panel disappear.
June 21, 2007	    10:45:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(something odd just happened, ignore it)
June 21, 2007	    10:46:09 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Pressing the Maximize button makes a panel take up the whole screen...
June 21, 2007	    10:46:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Note that the Maximize icon changed. Click the "restore" button to make everything go back to regular size.
June 21, 2007	    10:47:31 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The Minimize button is peculiar to this docking framework. Press it to make a panel minimize to the tiny window bar at the bottom of the main window.
June 21, 2007	    10:47:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(See it in the bottom left corner?)
June 21, 2007	    10:47:51 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Press the restore button to put it back.
June 21, 2007	    10:48:14 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The undock button takes the panel out of the main layout and puts it in its own window.
June 21, 2007	    10:48:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can press the redock button to put it back into the main panel, or you can drag the title bar, like so...
June 21, 2007	    10:49:41 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Note that when a panel is undocked, you have to use the regular window decorations to move the floating window. Dragging the panel's title bar won't move the window.
June 21, 2007	    10:49:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Does that make sense?
June 21, 2007	    10:50:14 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	yup

June 21, 2007	    10:50:15 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	sure
June 21, 2007	    10:50:18 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	yes
June 21, 2007	    10:51:03 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The last button is the Options button (this is an extension that I added which is not part of the normal framework). For most components, pressing the Options button doesn't do anything right now.
June 21, 2007	    10:51:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Only one component supports it: The Graph Editor.
June 21, 2007	    10:52:00 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If I want to turn off animations, I untick the box, and then press the checkmark button to show I'm done setting options.
June 21, 2007	    10:52:11 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now the graph editor is no longer animated.
June 21, 2007	    10:52:34 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And now it is.
June 21, 2007	    10:52:46 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(is this the 'don't make Jen dizzy' feature?)
June 21, 2007	    10:53:00 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yeah, this is Jen's special request.
June 21, 2007	    10:53:06 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	:)
June 21, 2007	    10:53:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Like before, you can add new components to the screen using the "View" menu.
June 21, 2007	    10:54:38 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It adds the new component in a tabbed pane next to the last component you focused.
June 21, 2007	    10:54:52 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	So let's say I wanted to add something to a tabbed pane with the Search controls.
June 21, 2007	    10:55:01 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	First I click the Search control title bar to focus it...
June 21, 2007	    10:55:09 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Then I add the component.
June 21, 2007	    10:55:49 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	got it
June 21, 2007	    10:56:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Before I get to stored layouts, let's talk about the new text editing system...
June 21, 2007	    10:56:17 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	but, in effect, it doesn't really matter where you're focused because you can always move stuff around, right?
June 21, 2007	    10:56:51 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's right. I just did it that way to make things a little quicker, and to make it possible to guess where your new component got added.
June 21, 2007	    10:56:59 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	cool
June 21, 2007	    10:57:07 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(In complex layouts it can be difficult to figure out where the new component went)
June 21, 2007	    10:57:12 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	can you change the size of the panels, or does it automatically size them as they're added and removed?

June 21, 2007	    10:57:27 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The gaps between panels are split pane sliders.
June 21, 2007	    10:57:40 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	So you can resize at will.
June 21, 2007	    10:57:42 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	oh yes - great

June 21, 2007	    10:58:43 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The new text editor runs a special background process that constantly checks your current text edits for warnings and errors.
June 21, 2007	    10:59:00 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If there are any, a warning panel appears at the top of the text editor.
June 21, 2007	    10:59:08 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can mouse over it to see the error messages.
June 21, 2007	    10:59:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You also get visual feedback in-place for each error.
June 21, 2007	    10:59:53 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Note that the synonym is in red. That shows us that there are problems.
June 21, 2007	    11:00:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If we double-click the synonym to bring up the editor, we can see exactly where the problem is.
June 21, 2007	    11:01:04 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The warning message at the top of the text editor updates in real time too.
June 21, 2007	    11:01:11 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	spiffy

June 21, 2007	    11:01:27 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There's a little bug in what I'm going to demo next, but you'll get the idea.
June 21, 2007	    11:01:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	What happens if you try to commit text edits that have a serious problem?
June 21, 2007	    11:02:01 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(The bug is that it says there are 3 fatal errors, but there's really only one)
June 21, 2007	    11:02:24 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	When I try to select a new term, OBO-Edit will try to autocommit my changes, and that's when the new behavior kicks in.
June 21, 2007	    11:02:47 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I now have three options to fix this...
June 21, 2007	    11:03:33 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The bottom two options are pretty obvious - I can either abandon my edits, or go back to the editor and fix them. The first option is the interesting one, and I'm going to click it.
June 21, 2007	    11:04:06 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We've now switched to the "Verify" perspective. A perspective is a screen layout designed for a specific purpose.
June 21, 2007	    11:04:25 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The Verify perspective is designed to give us quick information about ontology errors.
June 21, 2007	    11:05:18 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If I want, I can switch back to the edit perspective at any time.
June 21, 2007	    11:05:50 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Does that make sense?
June 21, 2007	    11:06:20 AM	    from Pascale to All Participants:	can you quickly show the other view again?
June 21, 2007	    11:06:35 AM	    from Pascale to All Participants:	ok thanks
June 21, 2007	    11:06:53 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can always switch perspectives using the "View" menu, but sometimes OBO-Edit will suggest that you automatically switch perspectives.
June 21, 2007	    11:07:23 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	what's the name of that first option again that led to this view?
June 21, 2007	    11:07:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	?
June 21, 2007	    11:07:53 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	From above:
June 21, 2007	    11:08:01 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	"The first option is the interesting one, and I'm going to click it.
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June 21, 2007	    11:08:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Oh, let me reproduce those circumstances again...
June 21, 2007	    11:08:20 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	When you switched selections in the verify perspective, what happened to the term with the fatal error?

June 21, 2007	    11:08:35 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you try to commit a text edit that contains FATAL errors (not just warnings)
June 21, 2007	    11:08:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	you'll see a dialog box...
June 21, 2007	    11:08:53 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	ah yeas
June 21, 2007	    11:08:56 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	yes
June 21, 2007	    11:09:10 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you choose "Open Verify perspective to display errors", you'll automatically get dropped over to the Verify perspective.
June 21, 2007	    11:09:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can also create your own perspectives.
June 21, 2007	    11:10:07 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Let's say I want to create a Graph Editing mode.
June 21, 2007	    11:10:26 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	First, choose a similar existing perspective to base it on. I chose "Edit".
June 21, 2007	    11:10:36 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Then arrange the screen as you'd like for the new perspective.
June 21, 2007	    11:10:47 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	'Edit' is the default one, yes?
June 21, 2007	    11:11:39 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yes.
June 21, 2007	    11:11:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Once your screen is set up, choose View -> Layout -> Save Perspective As...
June 21, 2007	    11:12:11 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There it is!
June 21, 2007	    11:12:12 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	nice
June 21, 2007	    11:12:42 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Note that if I'm in "Graph Edit" mode, the "Delete current perspective" option is available...
June 21, 2007	    11:12:59 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But if I switch to "Edit", it's not.
June 21, 2007	    11:13:19 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	will this perspective be saved in my preferences somewhere
June 21, 2007	    11:13:25 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	so that when the next version of oboedit comes out
June 21, 2007	    11:13:28 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There are some built-in, indestructable perspectives.
June 21, 2007	    11:13:30 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I don't have to reconstruct it?
June 21, 2007	    11:14:10 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Those are indestructable because OBO-Edit depends on those being there for automatic perspective switches like the one caused by our fatal text edit error.
June 21, 2007	    11:14:37 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But you can still arrange the contents of those built-in perspectives however you want.
June 21, 2007	    11:16:00 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	So those are the new layout and editing capabilities. I have some questions about possible improvements, but first, do you have any questions about any of this?
June 21, 2007	    11:16:23 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(did you see my ?)
June 21, 2007	    11:16:23 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Not yet. I may think of some when I try to use it myself.

June 21, 2007	    11:17:12 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	To answer Tanya's question - Your perspectives are saved every time you exit the program. In theory, you'll never need to rebuild them, unless there's a bug.
June 21, 2007	    11:17:25 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It even remembers what perspective you were using when you restart.
June 21, 2007	    11:17:35 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	Most excellent.
June 21, 2007	    11:17:36 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	nice
June 21, 2007	    11:17:58 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Some questions for you guys then:
June 21, 2007	    11:18:31 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	1) You'll notice that all the configuration buttons that normally appear below the ontology editor are gone. I'm wondering what to do with them...
June 21, 2007	    11:19:09 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'm inclined to eliminate most of them (like the split and merge buttons) and move the rest onto the Options screen. Does that sit well with people?
June 21, 2007	    11:19:38 AM	    from Pascale to All Participants:	can they not stay below the ontology editor panel?
June 21, 2007	    11:19:45 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	so we wouldn't need split, because we would just create a new panel, right?

June 21, 2007	    11:19:48 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	So, if I wanted another ontology editor panel, I would select another one from the View menu?
June 21, 2007	    11:19:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Tanya - that's right.
June 21, 2007	    11:19:58 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I seldom use any other than the focus-switcher ...

June 21, 2007	    11:20:37 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	the remove filter/render might be a pain

June 21, 2007	    11:20:37 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	so I don't think I'll miss having them visible all the time.

June 21, 2007	    11:20:38 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	The ones I use are the split/merge, focus switcher and filter remover.
June 21, 2007	    11:20:58 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	I use quite often the split option but if I can create an other ontology panel, it is still fine
June 21, 2007	    11:21:12 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I use split/merge too, but it seems the new layout system supersedes them.

June 21, 2007	    11:21:18 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I can put the filter and focus switcher buttons on the title bar.
June 21, 2007	    11:21:33 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	There _is_ room.
June 21, 2007	    11:21:41 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	that would be great

June 21, 2007	    11:21:44 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Actually, I guess I can put a split button on the title bar too. In theory, you could split any component in the program.
June 21, 2007	    11:22:05 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	might be overkill though
June 21, 2007	    11:22:15 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	no strong preference ...

June 21, 2007	    11:22:20 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	too many ways to do the same thing can be confusing
June 21, 2007	    11:22:29 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	cool...I use all the time ChEBI and Go so it would be lovely to have a split botton in the bar
June 21, 2007	    11:23:03 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'll try a version where I put ALL the buttons on, and we can take buttons off if we find them annoying.
June 21, 2007	    11:23:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, second question:
June 21, 2007	    11:24:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	When you have multiple components in one tab pane, it's possible to display the Close, Maximize, Minimize, Undock buttons on the little tabs.
June 21, 2007	    11:24:31 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	sounds too cluttered ...

June 21, 2007	    11:24:54 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's why I left them off, but it might be convenient to be able to close a tab without focusing it..
June 21, 2007	    11:25:30 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	True, but I'm not sure it would outweigh the inconvenience of visual clutter.

June 21, 2007	    11:25:43 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	could just put the X on the tab, like you can with tabs in a web browser
June 21, 2007	    11:25:52 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(and not the other icons)
June 21, 2007	    11:26:11 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Yes ... closing is the only thing one's likely to want to do without looking.

June 21, 2007	    11:26:25 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	I like Tanya's idea

June 21, 2007	    11:26:26 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Should I add the "Close" button then?
June 21, 2007	    11:26:38 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	Sure
June 21, 2007	    11:26:39 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	yes

June 21, 2007	    11:26:41 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	GO for it
June 21, 2007	    11:26:43 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	ok

June 21, 2007	    11:26:49 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	(oh, come on, someone had to say that)
June 21, 2007	    11:26:55 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	<sigh>
June 21, 2007	    11:27:03 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, last question:
June 21, 2007	    11:28:20 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Recall that in OBO-Edit 1.X, there is the concept of a "primary" ontology editor panel. If you make a selection in the primary panel, it affects the selection everywhere, but a selection in a secondary panel is just a local selection.
June 21, 2007	    11:29:16 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	OBO-Edit 2.0 has a much more flexible understanding, where multiple ontology editor panels can affect the global selection.
June 21, 2007	    11:30:06 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It is also possible, in theory, to tie together a group of components that all use the same local selection. So you could create a secondary ontology editor panel and a secondary text editor, and tie them together.
June 21, 2007	    11:30:24 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	Cool!
June 21, 2007	    11:31:33 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	that might be useful...

June 21, 2007	    11:31:45 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	There would be a bit of work involved to build a comprehensible interface for specifying such tied-together groups of components. Should I invest the time to work on this, or should I present a simplified view to the users?
June 21, 2007	    11:32:13 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(I could just provide a toggle button - "tied to global selection" vs. "local selection only")
June 21, 2007	    11:32:34 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	How much time are we talkin'? (for either option)

June 21, 2007	    11:32:52 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Simplified view: < 1 day. Complex view: up to one week.
June 21, 2007	    11:33:16 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	shall we see how we get on with the simple view before we invest the time maybe?

June 21, 2007	    11:33:27 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	seems logical
June 21, 2007	    11:33:31 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	Good plan
June 21, 2007	    11:33:45 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	So not months and months. Nothing to lose doing the simple view, and if it's not enough, the complex option isn't out of reach.

June 21, 2007	    11:33:56 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Great. I'll reopen that discussion at a later time, then.
June 21, 2007	    11:33:57 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	... so yes, I like the plan.

June 21, 2007	    11:34:23 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Here's a known issue with this beta, by the way: all selections are global, for now, because I haven't built the global/local controls yet.
June 21, 2007	    11:35:25 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	ok

June 21, 2007	    11:35:30 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, looks like we're out of time.
June 21, 2007	    11:36:00 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	will you send a transcript?(and did you send one last time? Idon't think I got it)

June 21, 2007	    11:36:12 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	(sorry for bad typing)

June 21, 2007	    11:36:17 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	I didn't either (and was wondering about that)
June 21, 2007	    11:36:27 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I forgot to send last week's transcript. I'll send both when we're done.
June 21, 2007	    11:36:38 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	thanks!

June 21, 2007	    11:36:40 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	While you play with this beta: I'm really trying to focus on making the interface a lot friendlier, so please send in any suggestions you have.
June 21, 2007	    11:36:49 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	ok
June 21, 2007	    11:37:14 AM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	See you all next week.
June 21, 2007	    11:37:17 AM	    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:	bye
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June 21, 2007	    11:37:31 AM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	cya

June 21, 2007	    11:37:40 AM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	toodle-oo

June 21, 2007	    11:37:51 AM	    from erika to All Participants:	bye