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August 23, 2007	    5:32:55 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	hi
August 23, 2007	    5:33:01 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hi
August 23, 2007	    5:33:09 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	any idea what the hell is going on with webex?
August 23, 2007	    5:33:22 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	What do you mean?
August 23, 2007	    5:33:22 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	are you having problems with it again?
August 23, 2007	    5:33:45 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	John disappeared, and Jen magically became host.
August 23, 2007	    5:33:50 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Now John's back.
August 23, 2007	    5:34:16 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	... but Karen is marked as presenter.
August 23, 2007	    5:34:20 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That happened because my copy of webex crashed.
August 23, 2007	    5:34:33 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	ah. all becomes clear. as mud.
August 23, 2007	    5:34:40 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But I have now stolen back the presenter role.
August 23, 2007	    5:34:56 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	that's good, because I don't really want it for this meeting ;)
August 23, 2007	    5:35:06 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, in response to requests that we keep these meetings on task and short, I want to get started right away.
August 23, 2007	    5:35:27 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	My only goal for this meeting is to demo (and get feedback on) the new filtering interface.
August 23, 2007	    5:35:43 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Does anyone have anything else (that isn't a bug report) they want to discuss?
August 23, 2007	    5:36:00 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	How's feature prioritization coming?
August 23, 2007	    5:36:50 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I haven't looked at the priorities list at all since I started the filtering interface redesign a week and a half ago. At that time, the filtering interface was tied for highest priority with some other stuff, so I went for it.
August 23, 2007	    5:37:20 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Fair 'nuff. Will we return to other features once the filtering is squared away?
August 23, 2007	    5:38:08 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Absolutely. I think I have 3-5 more days on this, because I still have to build the link filtering interface and tie this new interface into the filterable screen elements.
August 23, 2007	    5:38:18 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	I guess the disjoint_from stuff is a bug report?
August 23, 2007	    5:38:37 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	OK; I'll stop bothering you about features for the rest of the meeting then ;)
August 23, 2007	    5:38:52 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I thought this was resolved. When I checked OBO-Edit 1.1's disjoint reporting on your file, it made no mistakes.
August 23, 2007	    5:39:14 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I discussed this in detail with Chris, but maybe we forgot to tell you about it? Or is there new information?
August 23, 2007	    5:39:43 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	sorry I'm late
August 23, 2007	    5:39:51 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	Perhaps we should discuss the disjointness thing offline. I too  thought it was resolved.
August 23, 2007	    5:39:58 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Note that although OE 1.1 made no mistakes, it DID find a bunch of disjoints)
August 23, 2007	    5:40:03 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	lemme check the behaviour in 1.1 - but unless there's another release this version wasn't behaving properly
August 23, 2007	    5:40:30 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jane - let's skype about this after the meeting then? I can double-check your results.
August 23, 2007	    5:40:32 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	but yes, lets discuss offline
August 23, 2007	    5:40:37 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	cool
August 23, 2007	    5:40:39 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, on to the demo then!
August 23, 2007	    5:41:26 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Some of you have already seen parts of this, but there are new features no one has seen.
August 23, 2007	    5:42:18 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The idea here is to build an interface that increases in complexity only when you request the additional complexity.
August 23, 2007	    5:42:42 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	This is in contrast to the previous interface, where the complexity was right up front.
August 23, 2007	    5:43:06 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	joh, can you make it bigger?
August 23, 2007	    5:43:11 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	In it's simplest mode (what we can see right now), the interface looks a lot like the old filtering interface.
August 23, 2007	    5:43:28 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Is that better
August 23, 2007	    5:43:29 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	?
August 23, 2007	    5:43:40 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	on my screen it needs to move up and to the left
August 23, 2007	    5:43:51 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	on my screen it is less than 1/4 the size
August 23, 2007	    5:43:51 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	For me, it's partially off screen
August 23, 2007	    5:43:53 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Oy. This nonsense again.
August 23, 2007	    5:44:02 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	better!
August 23, 2007	    5:44:09 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	On my screen, it takes up about a ninth of the screen.
August 23, 2007	    5:44:17 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	very small
August 23, 2007	    5:44:20 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	perfectly in the left upper corner, but still less than 1/4
August 23, 2007	    5:44:21 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Hold on a sec, I think I can fix this...
August 23, 2007	    5:44:34 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	much better!
August 23, 2007	    5:44:35 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	Yowza! Much better.
August 23, 2007	    5:44:37 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	oops, overshot ... just a smidge to the right would be great, but it's watchable ...
August 23, 2007	    5:45:01 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Better now?
August 23, 2007	    5:45:02 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	don't mess with it if it's ok for others
August 23, 2007	    5:45:13 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I can see the whole filtering box.
August 23, 2007	    5:45:21 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, good.
August 23, 2007	    5:45:46 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, the filtering box looks like what we're used to, but instead of the arcane labels, it now displays simple filters as little sentences.
August 23, 2007	    5:46:12 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now, let's say that we want to search for terms where the name contains "kinase"
August 23, 2007	    5:46:20 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Watch what happens as I type in kinase...
August 23, 2007	    5:46:35 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	oooooh
August 23, 2007	    5:47:16 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Attendees:	is someone recording?
August 23, 2007	    5:47:17 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The autocomplete box responds to the criterion you have selected. So I get very different kinds of autocompletion of I choose "definition"
August 23, 2007	    5:47:51 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	very, very nice 
August 23, 2007	    5:47:55 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	I like autocompletion
August 23, 2007	    5:48:05 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	gosh, wouldn't this be great for AmiGO?
August 23, 2007	    5:48:07 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you press "Enter" while the autocomplete panel is up, the box gets filled in with the top autocompletion suggestion.
August 23, 2007	    5:48:09 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	Do you still have search options that allow searching of multiple fields?
August 23, 2007	    5:48:20 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's coming up next...
August 23, 2007	    5:48:45 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'm recording now
August 23, 2007	    5:48:52 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Note that there's no checkbox for negate. You can negate your search by changing "have" to "doesn't have"
August 23, 2007	    5:49:19 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And all the aspect stuff is hidden by default, but you can show it by clicking the little gear.
August 23, 2007	    5:50:03 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Notice that you can now specify what kind of ancestors and descendants you want to search using the "reached via" dropdown.
August 23, 2007	    5:50:14 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But if you aren't interested in all that, you don't have to look at it.
August 23, 2007	    5:50:49 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now, let's say we want to find terms that contain "kinase" and "binding"
August 23, 2007	    5:51:04 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We just press the little "plus" icon at the bottom.
August 23, 2007	    5:51:32 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	A new search panel appeared, and a new set of radio buttons appeared at the top of the panel.
August 23, 2007	    5:51:35 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	that's automatically an 'AND' query?
August 23, 2007	    5:52:03 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If "Matches all" is selected it's AND, if "matches any" is selected, it's OR.
August 23, 2007	    5:52:39 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'm going to run this search...
August 23, 2007	    5:52:48 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	so you can have only all 'AND' or all 'OR' queries
August 23, 2007	    5:52:54 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	but not 'AND' and 'OR'
August 23, 2007	    5:52:54 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	?
August 23, 2007	    5:53:00 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Tanya - no. I'll get to more complex queries in a sec.
August 23, 2007	    5:53:01 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	wait, don't order yet ...
August 23, 2007	    5:53:10 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	ok
August 23, 2007	    5:53:25 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	First, I wanted to show that search results appear in their own dockable tab now.
August 23, 2007	    5:53:32 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can put it wherever you want.
August 23, 2007	    5:54:22 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	What's the little doohickey glyph in the Graph Editor window (lower right corner)?
August 23, 2007	    5:54:44 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That's the graph overview. It shows a fully zoomed-out view of the graph editor.
August 23, 2007	    5:54:50 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You must not have been here for that meeting.
August 23, 2007	    5:54:56 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can resize it too.
August 23, 2007	    5:54:59 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	(whoops, sorry)
August 23, 2007	    5:55:20 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Back to the filtering interface...
August 23, 2007	    5:55:22 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	hey' I was at that meeting, and I missed the resizing!
August 23, 2007	    5:56:04 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Sometimes, the order of your sub-filters matters. You want quick-running filters to run first, because if an early sub-filter fails, OBO-Edit doesn't bother with later filters.
August 23, 2007	    5:56:26 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You can reorder items in the filter list by dragging the little blue tabs to the left of the sub filters.
August 23, 2007	    5:56:35 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	So how do we tell which sub-queries would take longer?
August 23, 2007	    5:56:59 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Queries that search a lot of things (like "All text fields") or do ancestor/descendant traversal take longer.
August 23, 2007	    5:57:19 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	will that be in the documentation?
August 23, 2007	    5:57:33 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Sure. In this case, both of my sub-queries would take about the same amount of time.
August 23, 2007	    5:57:44 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But I'll put the "binding" search before the "kinase" search now just to demonstrate.
August 23, 2007	    5:58:09 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(This becomes useful in a moment)
August 23, 2007	    5:58:43 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	No, let's say we want to search for terms whose names contain ("binding" AND ("kinase" OR "histone"))
August 23, 2007	    5:59:18 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Attendees:	I don't know if we need worry too much about the ordering of query clauses. Hopefully future versions will be able to do a reasonably good job of reordering the clauses behind the scenes to get fastest results.
August 23, 2007	    5:59:28 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	We can do this by creating a sub-query. You make simple query into a sub-query by pressing the > button.
August 23, 2007	    5:59:35 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'm going to press it now for "kinase".
August 23, 2007	    6:00:06 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	aha! very cool.
August 23, 2007	    6:00:12 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Now there's a little + button under the "kinase" query. I'm going to press it and create a new simple query for histone.
August 23, 2007	    6:00:14 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	and now I must go to my 10 am meeting
August 23, 2007	    6:00:30 PM	    from Tanya to All Participants:	will leave this running
August 23, 2007	    6:00:31 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Bye tanya
August 23, 2007	    6:00:53 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	In order to make this sub-query an "or" search, I'm also going to select the "matches any" button at the top of the sub-query.
August 23, 2007	    6:01:48 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	One cool thing is that you can use drag and drop to rearrange the subquery contents however you want.
August 23, 2007	    6:02:23 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If we want to do ("binding" AND ("kinase" OR "histone" OR "GTPase")), we could do it this way...
August 23, 2007	    6:03:06 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And then I drag the new query INSIDE my subquery.
August 23, 2007	    6:03:51 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The old complex query interface really punished you if you didn't have the logical structure of your query figured out in advance...
August 23, 2007	    6:04:09 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	my understatement detector is rumbling ...
August 23, 2007	    6:04:11 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	This interface let's you build all the sub-components first, and then put them together
August 23, 2007	    6:04:49 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Questions so far?
August 23, 2007	    6:05:09 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Can you save filters?
August 23, 2007	    6:05:17 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	You will be able to.
August 23, 2007	    6:05:23 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	will queries built like this be able to be viewed as the indented query langage we talked bout before?
August 23, 2007	    6:05:41 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	hypothetically even
August 23, 2007	    6:06:10 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yes. This interface builds exactly the same queries as the old interface did. The underlying datamodels are exactly the same for all query interface implementations.
August 23, 2007	    6:06:19 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	great
August 23, 2007	    6:06:33 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, last feature...
August 23, 2007	    6:06:54 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Remember the "wiring diagram"? This can do something similar if we turn on "debugging hints"
August 23, 2007	    6:07:21 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The lightbulb is on if a particular sub-query matches the currently selected term.
August 23, 2007	    6:07:47 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Here, the "binding" and "kinase" simple queries match, which in turn causes the whole subquery to match.
August 23, 2007	    6:08:35 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Watch how the bulbs change as I select new items... (this has been buggy in the past; I think I've fixed it, but don't be shocked if things don't work perfectly here...)
August 23, 2007	    6:09:27 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(The lightbulbs still aren't responding to new selections correctly, but they update properly when you edit the subfilter text)
August 23, 2007	    6:09:59 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Anyway, you can see how this will be helpful when debugging tricky, complex queries.
August 23, 2007	    6:10:33 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If your search isn't returning the results you expect, click some terms you expect to see in the results, and see how the lightbulbs light up.
August 23, 2007	    6:11:35 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Attendees:	this interface also has negation too, if anyone requires that
August 23, 2007	    6:11:56 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And that concludes the demo. Comments?
August 23, 2007	    6:12:08 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	luvly
August 23, 2007	    6:12:22 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	lightbulb-tastic
August 23, 2007	    6:13:10 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	At least on the surface, I think it's much more intuitive than the older  query interface, which I never really learned how to build complex queries. I'll have to play with it :)
August 23, 2007	    6:13:45 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	It all seems clear to me
August 23, 2007	    6:13:50 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(One other thing: the autocomplete control used in the search boxes is really flexible. I can use it to autocomplete any text field in the program if you can think of a reasonable set of values that you'd like autocompleted. The autocompleter can even autocomplete using an algorithm, so if you want all term name fields to suggest "regulation of <whatever you've typed so far>", we can do that.)
August 23, 2007	    6:14:01 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I can see which bits will confuse new users but it will be easy enough to explain
August 23, 2007	    6:14:27 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Karen, I'm so happy to hear you say that. I was really trying to please you on this one, since I know the filtering interface has been a pain in your butt since the beginning.
August 23, 2007	    6:14:50 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	I may have missed somehting, but what do the <, >, and - signs on the right hand side of each query do?
August 23, 2007	    6:15:29 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	The > button creates a further level of subqueries, and the < button moves a query to the parent level. Watch as I click < for "kinase"
August 23, 2007	    6:15:46 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	It moved outside of the subquery.
August 23, 2007	    6:16:02 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	and I assume - removes a query?
August 23, 2007	    6:16:11 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Yeah.
August 23, 2007	    6:16:17 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	OK, thanks
August 23, 2007	    6:16:35 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	If you remove all the members of a subquery, the subquery disappears.
August 23, 2007	    6:16:48 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	(Yet another feature the old complex query designer did not include)
August 23, 2007	    6:16:57 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	it will be fun to play with the link filters with the lightbulbs switched on
August 23, 2007	    6:17:24 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I'm going to fix that before I release this, but I hope to have a version for you to play with by friday.
August 23, 2007	    6:17:59 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	does your plan include showing a text version of the query that we can edit?
August 23, 2007	    6:18:27 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Hmm... that's an interesting idea...
August 23, 2007	    6:18:48 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I mean so we could autogenerate the main part with the gui you just showed and then tweak the text version
August 23, 2007	    6:18:59 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I can do that. My plan was to have a read-only summary of the query at the bottom, displayed in OBO query language...
August 23, 2007	    6:19:09 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	webex booted me out, then crashed my computer!
August 23, 2007	    6:19:20 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	a readable version of that would be really interesting to me
August 23, 2007	    6:19:24 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	But it would be really easy to make that box editable, and have it rearrange the GUI version in response to changes in the text version.
August 23, 2007	    6:19:33 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that would rock!
August 23, 2007	    6:19:49 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	jane, can you tell them about that in the box on the web that appears when the meeting ends?
August 23, 2007	    6:20:07 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	That adds about a week to this effort, though. Do other people like Jen's idea?
August 23, 2007	    6:20:32 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	will we be able to hide the text version of the query if we don't want to see it?
August 23, 2007	    6:20:55 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Sure. It'll probably be hidden by default, but...
August 23, 2007	    6:20:55 PM	    from Jane Lomax to All Participants:	Jen - sure
August 23, 2007	    6:20:59 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ta
August 23, 2007	    6:21:09 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	the text version of your query will be the label for your search results.
August 23, 2007	    6:21:21 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	booted again . ..
August 23, 2007	    6:21:21 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	that would be great
August 23, 2007	    6:21:28 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	what'd I miss?
August 23, 2007	    6:21:31 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	midori can you report it on the web form too?
August 23, 2007	    6:21:31 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	thanks! that's what I've been thinking would be great for ages
August 23, 2007	    6:21:56 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Sorry, what would be great?
August 23, 2007	    6:22:14 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	that the text version of your query will be the label for your search results.
August 23, 2007	    6:22:19 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	(looks like webex crashed at a particularly bad time)
August 23, 2007	    6:22:30 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	ah, ok; thanks
August 23, 2007	    6:22:40 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	yes, I agree, that would be great
August 23, 2007	    6:22:47 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	And Jen suggested that we make an editable text version of the query appear at the bottom of the query window. Changes to the query will result in changes to the gui interface.
August 23, 2007	    6:23:00 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	I was around for that part.
August 23, 2007	    6:23:03 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, if everyone likes these ideas, I'm going to go ahead and spend another week to implement all of them.
August 23, 2007	    6:23:44 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Last question:
August 23, 2007	    6:24:25 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	I feel that this interface combines the best elements of the interfaces proposed on the wiki, and it's a lot simpler. Thus, I feel there's no need to pursue any of those other interfaces now. Any objections?
August 23, 2007	    6:24:34 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	nope
August 23, 2007	    6:24:37 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	nope!
August 23, 2007	    6:24:38 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	none
August 23, 2007	    6:24:47 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	Agreed - I tihnk this is a considerable improvement over the older ideas.
August 23, 2007	    6:25:13 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Sweet. Maybe I'll give myself a design award...
August 23, 2007	    6:25:19 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	good plan
August 23, 2007	    6:25:27 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	I can't remember exactly what all the other ideas were, but so far I like what I've see of this...
August 23, 2007	    6:25:31 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	our unbounded admiration isn't enough?
August 23, 2007	    6:25:35 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	the circuit diagram
August 23, 2007	    6:26:02 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Midori - if your admiration doesn't come in the form of a lucite plaque, it's worthless to me.
August 23, 2007	    6:26:16 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jen - what about the circuit diagram?
August 23, 2007	    6:26:33 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	karen was asking what the other ideas were that we don't care about any more
August 23, 2007	    6:26:38 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	you only want lucite?
August 23, 2007	    6:26:42 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	what's lucite?
August 23, 2007	    6:26:53 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	clear plastic
August 23, 2007	    6:26:53 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	American perspex
August 23, 2007	    6:26:56 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	ah
August 23, 2007	    6:27:08 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Cheap and transparent, that's me!
August 23, 2007	    6:27:13 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	yay!
August 23, 2007	    6:27:13 PM	    from Karen Christie to All Participants:	I agree that this interface is much more intuitive than the circuit diagram
August 23, 2007	    6:27:25 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	running of to an interview.... john, you around later?
August 23, 2007	    6:27:30 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Cool. I'm off then, to actually make this work.
August 23, 2007	    6:27:33 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Mel - yes I am.
August 23, 2007	    6:27:43 PM	    from melissaH to All Participants:	ok, got a question, later.
August 23, 2007	    6:27:44 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jane - skype me to discuss disjoint issues whenever you'd like.
August 23, 2007	    6:28:08 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	skype me in too
August 23, 2007	    6:28:14 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Bye everyone.
August 23, 2007	    6:28:18 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	cmungall
August 23, 2007	    6:28:21 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	I'll send the recording
August 23, 2007	    6:28:23 PM	    from Chris Mungall to All Participants:	bye
August 23, 2007	    6:28:24 PM	    from Midori Harris to All Participants:	bye
August 23, 2007	    6:28:28 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	bye
August 23, 2007	    6:28:31 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Jen - can you send the transcript too?
August 23, 2007	    6:28:43 PM	    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:	sure
August 23, 2007	    6:28:47 PM	    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:	Okay, bye.