OE Webex 25Mar08
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March 25, 2008 4:36:30 PM from Nomi Harris: Hey, Jen. Did you see that I made the search columns adjustable? March 25, 2008 4:36:34 PM from David OS: Hiya March 25, 2008 4:37:34 PM from Jane Lomax: Hiya Nomi March 25, 2008 4:37:35 PM from Nomi Harris: Did anyone try b34 yet? Peter Midford encountered problems with it. At first I thought it was a problem with the new oe-command-line script, but he had the same issues when he launched OE the normal way (double-clicking the icon). March 25, 2008 4:37:50 PM from Nomi Harris: (Jen, if you said anything, I didn't hear it.) March 25, 2008 4:37:56 PM from Jane Lomax: I've been using it today - seems okay March 25, 2008 4:38:09 PM from midori: I've started it up and loaded GO. That's almost all I've done with it. March 25, 2008 4:38:15 PM from Nomi Harris: He's on a Mac. I'm not sure why he's having trouble. March 25, 2008 4:38:25 PM from Nomi Harris: The specific problem he reported was that he couldn't get the config window to close, March 25, 2008 4:38:39 PM from Nomi Harris: but he sent me the stdout and it was full of errors. March 25, 2008 4:38:55 PM from David OS: I've been using it too. Crashed once - but I think that was just an example of the occasional crashes casued by the graph editor. March 25, 2008 4:39:02 PM from midori: I'm on a Mac too, but with 10.4 (Peter says he has 10.5), and my config window opened and closed normally. I didn't change anything in the config, tho. March 25, 2008 4:39:17 PM from Nomi Harris: Does Peter work with you? March 25, 2008 4:39:22 PM from melissaH: working ok for me today, except no new terms still. March 25, 2008 4:39:25 PM from Jen Deegan: hi, here now. Just downloading March 25, 2008 4:39:42 PM from David OS: Didn't see anything weird with config on linux with b34 March 25, 2008 4:39:46 PM from Nomi Harris: Melissa says that when she creates a new term, she can't edit its name--the change doesn't stick. March 25, 2008 4:39:54 PM from Nomi Harris: Has anyone else encountered that problem? March 25, 2008 4:40:10 PM from midori: Not in the last beta; haven't tried in b34 March 25, 2008 4:40:11 PM from Nomi Harris: That seems so major that I'd expect to have heard other reports of it. (I can't recreate the problem.) March 25, 2008 4:40:34 PM from Nomi Harris: This isn't new to b34. She's been having that problem for a while. March 25, 2008 4:40:46 PM from melissaH: I'm good at breaking things, though.... March 25, 2008 4:40:52 PM from Nomi Harris: Melissa, I would suggest that you try renaming your .oboeditbeta (rather than removing it completely--that way you can get it back if you want it) March 25, 2008 4:40:58 PM from Nomi Harris: and relaunching and see if that solves the problem. March 25, 2008 4:41:18 PM from Nomi Harris: If it does, and if there are settings in your .oboeditbeta that you want to preserve, I can help you sort that out. March 25, 2008 4:41:21 PM from midori: I haven't had that problem in the last several betas. Got some of my own special Nomi-can't-reproduce bugs, though! March 25, 2008 4:41:35 PM from melissaH: ok, will do. March 25, 2008 4:41:57 PM from Nomi Harris: midori, I think the solution is you should visit Berkeley and then I can look over your shoulder and figure out what's going on. March 25, 2008 4:41:57 PM from Jane Lomax: btw - I've found a bug with the verification plugin I think (OE 1 & 2) - is this meeting the place to report it? March 25, 2008 4:42:13 PM from Nomi Harris: Well, technically, you should report it on the bug tracker. March 25, 2008 4:42:26 PM from Nomi Harris: But you can mention it now if you think it might lead to a productive discussion. March 25, 2008 4:42:37 PM from Jane Lomax: ok - it might March 25, 2008 4:42:42 PM from Nomi Harris: (I'll admit right now that I know nothing about the verification plugin. And there's already at least one bug report about it.) March 25, 2008 4:42:51 PM from Jane Lomax: does anyone use it regularly? March 25, 2008 4:43:14 PM from Jane Lomax: because the name redundancy checker seems to have stopped working March 25, 2008 4:43:23 PM from midori: I have a few checks that run on eveny save, if that counts. March 25, 2008 4:43:25 PM from David OS: Term name editing works fine for me w/ b34 lunix. March 25, 2008 4:43:47 PM from Jane Lomax: there are several terms that share a name with their exact synonym March 25, 2008 4:44:05 PM from Nomi Harris: There aren't any changes in b34 that should affect term name editing, so it does sound like that is a Melissa-specific problem (sorry, Melissa!). March 25, 2008 4:44:15 PM from Jane Lomax: (this showed up when the UMLS people tried to merge in GO last month) March 25, 2008 4:44:22 PM from midori: The name redundancy checker seems to be working for me in OE1, but I don't recall it ever being able to catch when a term had its own name as a synonym. March 25, 2008 4:44:35 PM from Jane Lomax: it definitely used to March 25, 2008 4:44:43 PM from Nomi Harris: Jane, if you can give a specific example of the redundant synonyms when you post your bug report, I'll look into it. March 25, 2008 4:44:52 PM from Jane Lomax: will do March 25, 2008 4:44:55 PM from Jane Lomax: thanks March 25, 2008 4:45:02 PM from Nomi Harris: It's possible that feature was never implemented in OE2. March 25, 2008 4:45:32 PM from Jane Lomax: well, it looks like it's also broken in OE1 March 25, 2008 4:45:33 PM from Nomi Harris: Hi again, midori. March 25, 2008 4:45:39 PM from melissaH: question, is OEb34 doing an autosave now? March 25, 2008 4:45:52 PM from Nomi Harris: If it's also "broken" in OE1, then I suspect that that means that it was never implemented, period. March 25, 2008 4:46:01 PM from Nomi Harris: So perhaps it should be added to the Feature Requests tracker. March 25, 2008 4:46:09 PM from midori: Guess I'll have to tell the nice people at webex support that their latest suggestion didn't help. March 25, 2008 4:46:13 PM from Nomi Harris: It doesn't sound like it should be hard to implement, though. I can look at it soon if it's important. March 25, 2008 4:46:21 PM from Nomi Harris: Melissa, I haven't changed the autosave behavior. March 25, 2008 4:46:24 PM from Jane Lomax: cool March 25, 2008 4:46:31 PM from Nomi Harris: I'm not sure exactly what you're asking about autosave. March 25, 2008 4:47:07 PM from Nomi Harris: I can change the default autosaving behavior if people are finding it annoying. March 25, 2008 4:47:19 PM from melissaH: something just flashed up, and now my ontology isn't current with the svn, was playing around with b34 with new terms... this is the behavior of phenote- maybe its borrowing something? I'll check further... March 25, 2008 4:47:24 PM from Nomi Harris: Like, if every 20 min is too frequent, or if saving the autosaved backups for a week is too much. March 25, 2008 4:47:39 PM from Jane Lomax: I think it's ok as is March 25, 2008 4:47:49 PM from Nomi Harris: I don't think OE automatically updates the ontology from the svn. March 25, 2008 4:48:06 PM from Nomi Harris: (Phenote does.) March 25, 2008 4:48:30 PM from Karen Christie: Every 20 minutes is great when I'm editing, when I'm browsing, I'd just like a quick way to completely turn the autosave off, but I already submitted a feature request March 25, 2008 4:48:47 PM from Nomi Harris: Yes, I saw that. March 25, 2008 4:48:47 PM from melissaH: no-no, just that my version is no longer current. I guess I didn't even realize that we had autosave- OE1 doesn't have this behavior and I have yet to really edit in OE2, so my bad. just need to be more carefule I suppose. March 25, 2008 4:49:03 PM from melissaH: yes me too. March 25, 2008 4:49:14 PM from David OS: I thought autosave just saved backups in its own odd format and location - rather than saving over loaded copy of ontology. March 25, 2008 4:49:36 PM from Nomi Harris: *sigh* I'm back March 25, 2008 4:49:50 PM from Nomi Harris: I got booted right after I said "I saw that request". Did I miss anything? March 25, 2008 4:50:11 PM from David OS: Just saying "I thought autosave just saved backups in its own odd format and location - rather than saving over loaded copy of ontology." March 25, 2008 4:50:20 PM from Nomi Harris: Yes, that's correct. March 25, 2008 4:50:31 PM from melissaH: ok, probably something I did then. March 25, 2008 4:50:54 PM from melissaH: (good!) March 25, 2008 4:51:02 PM from Nomi Harris: So I was glad that removing the "transitive links only" filter was not controversial--I thought it might be. March 25, 2008 4:51:25 PM from melissaH: I think those of us that regularly need it off are used to turning it on and off. March 25, 2008 4:51:43 PM from Nomi Harris: Great. And THANK YOU for offering to write the documentation about how to turn it back on--that would be great! March 25, 2008 4:52:29 PM from Nomi Harris: You saw my note about removing your .oboeditebeta/filter_prefs.xml in order to let the new default (turn off that filter) take effect, right? March 25, 2008 4:52:40 PM from Jen Deegan: yes March 25, 2008 4:52:51 PM from melissaH: yep. I'll add something to the doc for that too. March 25, 2008 4:53:05 PM from Nomi Harris: Thanks. March 25, 2008 4:53:20 PM from Nomi Harris: Did everyone understand the deal with the new reasoner chooser? March 25, 2008 4:53:38 PM from Nomi Harris: midori and possibly others have been complaining about reasoner slowness. You can now choose the older, faster reasoner March 25, 2008 4:53:39 PM from Jen Deegan: just taking a look March 25, 2008 4:53:51 PM from Nomi Harris: instead of the newer slower one. However, the older one will be phased out at some point. March 25, 2008 4:54:04 PM from Jen Deegan: yes it looks easy March 25, 2008 4:54:10 PM from Nomi Harris: Hopefully Chris will be able to speed up the new one. March 25, 2008 4:54:13 PM from David OS: Have been using old one today. Much faster. March 25, 2008 4:54:25 PM from Jen Deegan: Nomi, are you coming to the consortium meeting? March 25, 2008 4:54:32 PM from Nomi Harris: Just keep in mind the old one can't deal with the "regulates" relationships. March 25, 2008 4:54:39 PM from Nomi Harris: Jen, I wasn't planning to. March 25, 2008 4:54:47 PM from Jen Deegan: rightio March 25, 2008 4:54:54 PM from Jen Deegan: shame, would be nice to meet you March 25, 2008 4:54:56 PM from Nomi Harris: I was thinking maybe I should, but we have long-standing weekend plans for that weekend March 25, 2008 4:54:56 PM from midori: I think so ... but where's the selector? My reasoner manager looks the same as before ... March 25, 2008 4:55:06 PM from Jen Deegan: but also good way to let you see bugs that are only on our laptops March 25, 2008 4:55:18 PM from Jen Deegan: that's fine if you're busy. March 25, 2008 4:55:26 PM from Nomi Harris: so I couldn't get there before the afternoon of Monday the 21st--would that be worth it? March 25, 2008 4:55:44 PM from Nomi Harris: I know, it would be helpful to see your bugs in person (not to mention meeting all of you!). March 25, 2008 4:55:50 PM from Jen Deegan: that's when I arrive March 25, 2008 4:56:09 PM from Jen Deegan: the consortium meeting is 22-23rd March 25, 2008 4:56:22 PM from Nomi Harris: Oh, really? If other people aren't arriving until Monday, maybe I should try to come. I thought it started Sunday but I guess that's a different meeting. March 25, 2008 4:56:25 PM from midori: that's Tuesday & wednesday March 25, 2008 4:56:39 PM from Jen Deegan: yes it's the ref genome one that's before that March 25, 2008 4:56:39 PM from Nomi Harris: Are all of you going to be there? March 25, 2008 4:56:45 PM from midori: (there's a Reference Genomes meeting on the Sunday & Monday) March 25, 2008 4:56:52 PM from Jen Deegan: I just wondered because John fixed a bug on my platform last consortium meeting March 25, 2008 4:56:56 PM from Jen Deegan: I was the only one that had it March 25, 2008 4:57:05 PM from midori: I'll be there, but I won't have a computer that can reasonably be expected to run OE. March 25, 2008 4:57:18 PM from Nomi Harris: What, it won't run on your iPhone? March 25, 2008 4:57:34 PM from Jen Deegan: or I could just tell you that I run xp home edition, and not professional, I think that was all he needed to know. March 25, 2008 4:57:46 PM from Jen Deegan: :) March 25, 2008 4:58:03 PM from Nomi Harris: John had a Windows machine, so he could fix stuff like that. I don't have access to one at the moment (though we're trying to get one here). March 25, 2008 4:58:31 PM from Jen Deegan: he developed on xp professional though. I run hopme edition. I think that may be why the gui looks odd on comboboxes March 25, 2008 4:58:32 PM from David OS: Can I bring up up a aesthetic point about b34? March 25, 2008 4:58:39 PM from Jen Deegan: sure March 25, 2008 4:58:45 PM from Nomi Harris: Anyway, I will talk to Suzi about whether I should attend the meeting. When I joined the OE project a few months ago, I was just here as a temporary fill-in, but this is getting to be a rather on-going temporary position... March 25, 2008 4:58:53 PM from Nomi Harris: David, yes, go ahead. March 25, 2008 4:58:59 PM from melissaH: Nomi, I won't be at the meeting, but I am coming to berkeley beginning of next month. March 25, 2008 4:59:26 PM from Nomi Harris: Let me know your dates, melissa, and we can meet and look at some of your melissa-specific bugs. March 25, 2008 4:59:35 PM from David OS: The new pale yellow arrows for part_of links are really hard to see on a white background. March 25, 2008 5:00:05 PM from Nomi Harris: Hmm. I made them lighter to contrast with the new orange regulates links March 25, 2008 5:00:08 PM from Nomi Harris: but if they are too hard to see, then that's not a good solution. March 25, 2008 5:00:17 PM from Nomi Harris: I am open to suggestions for the colors. March 25, 2008 5:00:30 PM from midori: I ahve to agree (despite my usual tendency to stay out of color-scheme debates). March 25, 2008 5:00:38 PM from David OS: I'm not too fussy, as long as they're dark. March 25, 2008 5:00:55 PM from Nomi Harris: How about if I restore part_of to its orangey-yellow and make regulates purple? March 25, 2008 5:00:58 PM from melissaH: I like having the icons the same colors as the links. March 25, 2008 5:01:10 PM from Nomi Harris: (I'll have to check if the red/green/yellow regulates icons still show up against the purple) March 25, 2008 5:01:20 PM from midori: I'm with David ... anything with enough contrast is fine. March 25, 2008 5:01:31 PM from Nomi Harris: melissa, I can't right now make the links the same color as the icons because (1) there are three different color regulates icons, and March 25, 2008 5:01:36 PM from Jen Deegan: we could just have the lines black and the icons do the discriminating. This is going to be a pain for the colour blind people March 25, 2008 5:01:43 PM from Nomi Harris: (2) the arrow shape doesn't show up if the background's the same color. March 25, 2008 5:02:04 PM from Jen Deegan: I really liked the black arrows and black lines March 25, 2008 5:02:09 PM from Jen Deegan: I thought that was enough already March 25, 2008 5:02:25 PM from Nomi Harris: I am trying to stay out of the icon decision. Whatever you guys want is fine with me. March 25, 2008 5:03:07 PM from Karen Christie: I don't care much about which color the lines are, but I do notice them better when the different relationships have different colors, not just all black for everything March 25, 2008 5:03:26 PM from Jen Deegan: how about if all regulates relationships have the same colour? March 25, 2008 5:03:31 PM from Jen Deegan: like blue or something March 25, 2008 5:03:38 PM from Nomi Harris: Blue is the is_a color March 25, 2008 5:03:42 PM from Jen Deegan: oh March 25, 2008 5:03:47 PM from Jen Deegan: or another colour March 25, 2008 5:03:54 PM from melissaH: and the color of the part of icon. sigh. March 25, 2008 5:04:18 PM from Jen Deegan: frantically loading file... March 25, 2008 5:04:42 PM from Nomi Harris: You guys just let me know what colors and icons you want and I'll put them in. March 25, 2008 5:04:44 PM from Nomi Harris: Ok? March 25, 2008 5:05:12 PM from Jen Deegan: maybe we need to mull it over for a bit longer March 25, 2008 5:05:20 PM from Nomi Harris: That's fine. March 25, 2008 5:05:20 PM from David OS: Sorry, I didn't want to start a big colour scheme debate. I really don't care too much - as long as they are dark enough to contrast with the background. March 25, 2008 5:05:22 PM from Jen Deegan: it hasn't been long since we got them March 25, 2008 5:05:36 PM from Nomi Harris: I'll try purple for the regulates links and send out a screenshot, but I'm open to other solutions. March 25, 2008 5:05:41 PM from Jen Deegan: does anybody else want the three regulates icons to be three different colours? March 25, 2008 5:05:47 PM from David OS: OK March 25, 2008 5:05:48 PM from Nomi Harris: About the GO meeting, are people staying the night of the 23rd? March 25, 2008 5:06:02 PM from Jen Deegan: I am March 25, 2008 5:06:13 PM from Nomi Harris: Are there events that evening? March 25, 2008 5:06:27 PM from midori: Some are, some aren't, depending on when they could get flights. All of the UK-based people are staying; we'll probably have to make our own fun. March 25, 2008 5:06:44 PM from Jen Deegan: are we meant to see regulates relationships in the graph viewer? March 25, 2008 5:07:02 PM from Nomi Harris: You will see them if you turn off the 'is transitive" filter March 25, 2008 5:07:04 PM from midori: I do March 25, 2008 5:07:46 PM from Jen Deegan: strangely, I don't March 25, 2008 5:08:02 PM from midori: do you see them in the tree editor? March 25, 2008 5:08:02 PM from Nomi Harris: Are you sure you turned that filter off? It's probably set in your .oboeditbeta/filter_prefs.xml March 25, 2008 5:08:15 PM from Nomi Harris: midori, maybe you can help Jen get that working? March 25, 2008 5:08:24 PM from Jen Deegan: I deleted the whole of oboeditbeta March 25, 2008 5:08:29 PM from Nomi Harris: David, I'm looking into your dangling refs issues. March 25, 2008 5:08:30 PM from Jen Deegan: I'll work on it March 25, 2008 5:08:43 PM from Nomi Harris: The problem is that the dangling refs generate objects that are not like normal term objects. March 25, 2008 5:08:57 PM from Nomi Harris: They are a completely different class, which creates problems, and they lack names, which creates other problems. March 25, 2008 5:09:34 PM from Nomi Harris: Personally, I would like them to be more like normal objects, but Chris feels strongly that they must be ostracized and presented as the freaks that they are. March 25, 2008 5:10:05 PM from Jen Deegan: would it make sense to release oboedit at a different stage of the week so we have more time to test before the meeting? Say wednesdays? I never get any time to take a look before the meeting March 25, 2008 5:10:29 PM from Nomi Harris: Yeah, I've been feeling bad about doing the releases on Mondays, March 25, 2008 5:10:39 PM from melissaH: oh thats a good idea. March 25, 2008 5:10:39 PM from Nomi Harris: the thing is, I always want to get as many fixes as possible into the new release, March 25, 2008 5:10:43 PM from Nomi Harris: so I end up doing it at the last minute. March 25, 2008 5:10:44 PM from David OS: Thanks for looking in to this. If it is possible to set the dangling refs to be ignored, except for the purposes of editing/display in the text editor? March 25, 2008 5:11:16 PM from Nomi Harris: David, no, they can't be "ignored" because they are an abnormal state, and they are branded as such when they are read in. March 25, 2008 5:11:21 PM from David OS: ...is it possible... March 25, 2008 5:11:30 PM from Nomi Harris: I will look into this more, though, and discuss it with Chris. March 25, 2008 5:11:54 PM from David OS: OK. Can you cc me on any e-mails about this with Chris? March 25, 2008 5:11:56 PM from Nomi Harris: Anyway, about the release date, I will try to do the releases earlier so that you guys have time to try it out before the Tuesday meeting. March 25, 2008 5:12:08 PM from Jen Deegan: thanks March 25, 2008 5:12:18 PM from Nomi Harris: David, yes, but I was thinking of actually (gasp!) talking to Chris in person, since he is in the same office as me. March 25, 2008 5:12:26 PM from Jen Deegan: oooooo March 25, 2008 5:12:50 PM from midori: what a concept! March 25, 2008 5:13:03 PM from David OS: :) OK. Guess I'll ask him about it myself - I'd like to understand the issues a little better. March 25, 2008 5:13:04 PM from Nomi Harris: Other issues I plan to look into are the delete bugs and the redraw issues (components not redrawing automatically when things change in other components) March 25, 2008 5:13:26 PM from Nomi Harris: Hey, one more question about the timing of the GO meeting: are there any events the evening of the 21st? March 25, 2008 5:13:29 PM from Jen Deegan: should I see regulates in the graph viewer or just the graph editor? I see it in the graph editor March 25, 2008 5:14:21 PM from Nomi Harris: Jen, I didn't test the graph viewer with the regulates relationship. March 25, 2008 5:14:31 PM from Karen Christie: which one is the graph viewer? March 25, 2008 5:14:32 PM from Nomi Harris: To be honest, I don't understand the graph viewer very well. March 25, 2008 5:14:33 PM from Jen Deegan: it's there large as life March 25, 2008 5:14:41 PM from Nomi Harris: It's what used to be called the Graph DAG Viewer March 25, 2008 5:14:48 PM from Nomi Harris: but we renamed it because it doesn't show DAGs March 25, 2008 5:14:55 PM from Jen Deegan: it's like the graph editor but you can't edit in it March 25, 2008 5:15:08 PM from Nomi Harris: It's kind of like the graph editor, but it shows paths to root, right? March 25, 2008 5:15:10 PM from Jen Deegan: also very like the graphviz viewer but with different underlying code March 25, 2008 5:15:14 PM from Jen Deegan: yes March 25, 2008 5:15:32 PM from Karen Christie: Hmm, must not be using that at all, as I have no idea which component this is March 25, 2008 5:15:46 PM from midori: I'm only seeing is_a and part_of in the graph viewer; it's the graph editor where I see regulates (sorry for earlier mixup) March 25, 2008 5:16:02 PM from Jen Deegan: ah! I got regulates in the graph viewer now March 25, 2008 5:16:09 PM from Nomi Harris: What did you have to do, Jen? March 25, 2008 5:16:17 PM from Jen Deegan: hang on I'll check March 25, 2008 5:16:37 PM from midori: yep, working now March 25, 2008 5:17:02 PM from Jen Deegan: orange is good March 25, 2008 5:17:04 PM from Jen Deegan: :-) March 25, 2008 5:17:06 PM from Jen Deegan: for links March 25, 2008 5:17:40 PM from Jen Deegan: would it be possible to try to make the regulates icons bigger in the ontology editor panel? March 25, 2008 5:17:41 PM from Nomi Harris: What if I make part_of purple, then? Would that be confusing? Are people used to part_of being yellow-orange? March 25, 2008 5:18:02 PM from midori: I've still got maroon. Is there some config thing I have to change or delete? March 25, 2008 5:18:15 PM from Nomi Harris: Jen, all the icons are scaled the same way; I don't think it would make sense to add special code to scale the regulates icons differently. March 25, 2008 5:18:21 PM from Jen Deegan: how about part of royal blue and is_a dark blue? March 25, 2008 5:18:31 PM from Nomi Harris: That's pretty subtle. March 25, 2008 5:18:36 PM from Jen Deegan: the icons seem very small to me. Oh wait, deja vu. March 25, 2008 5:18:48 PM from Jen Deegan: like the icon colours I meant March 25, 2008 5:19:11 PM from Nomi Harris: Yeah, we've talked about the icon sizes. March 25, 2008 5:19:25 PM from Jen Deegan: I'll send you a screenshot March 25, 2008 5:19:26 PM from Nomi Harris: The regulates ones look smaller because the Rs are small because there's more "stuff" going on around the Rs. March 25, 2008 5:19:31 PM from Nomi Harris: Ok, send me a screenshot. March 25, 2008 5:19:31 PM from Jen Deegan: they're problematically small on my sceen March 25, 2008 5:19:48 PM from Nomi Harris: Hmm. Maybe you need a bigger screen. :-) March 25, 2008 5:19:54 PM from Jen Deegan: possibly March 25, 2008 5:19:56 PM from midori: maybe that's because your eyes are better than mine ;) March 25, 2008 5:20:03 PM from Jen Deegan: all donations gratefully accepted March 25, 2008 5:20:03 PM from Nomi Harris: Whose? Mine? March 25, 2008 5:20:08 PM from midori: (so you can get away with a smaller font) March 25, 2008 5:20:10 PM from midori: Jen's March 25, 2008 5:20:14 PM from Nomi Harris: Sorry, Jen, I am not donating any eyes. March 25, 2008 5:20:18 PM from Jen Deegan: :-) March 25, 2008 5:20:26 PM from Jen Deegan: I could make the font bigger. hadn't thoght of that March 25, 2008 5:20:37 PM from Nomi Harris: You mean, the font in the icons? March 25, 2008 5:20:43 PM from Jen Deegan: bettter! March 25, 2008 5:20:59 PM from Nomi Harris: Feel free to fiddle with the icons. Just send me the revised ones and I'll stick them in OE. March 25, 2008 5:20:59 PM from Jen Deegan: regulates icons no longer small hazy blob March 25, 2008 5:21:01 PM from midori: I meant the tree editor font, so the icons would scale up with it. March 25, 2008 5:21:11 PM from Jen Deegan: yes March 25, 2008 5:21:13 PM from Jen Deegan: It worked March 25, 2008 5:21:15 PM from Nomi Harris: Maybe a session at the GO meeting could be devoted to discussing the regulates icons and colors. :-) March 25, 2008 5:21:25 PM from Jen Deegan: yes! March 25, 2008 5:21:39 PM from Jen Deegan: that would get some sarky comments March 25, 2008 5:22:01 PM from Jen Deegan: my font is really very big now March 25, 2008 5:22:10 PM from Jen Deegan: must consider this further... March 25, 2008 5:22:22 PM from Nomi Harris: Rats, booted again March 25, 2008 5:22:28 PM from David OS: "Maybe a session at the GO meeting could be devoted to discussing the regulates icons and colors. :-)" What and take all the fun out of the OEWG ..... March 25, 2008 5:22:33 PM from Nomi Harris: (Right after I suggested the special GO meeting session) March 25, 2008 5:22:46 PM from Nomi Harris: Did I miss anything? March 25, 2008 5:22:47 PM from Jen Deegan: good idea March 25, 2008 5:22:49 PM from Jen Deegan: nope March 25, 2008 5:22:52 PM from Jen Deegan: just humour March 25, 2008 5:22:56 PM from Nomi Harris: Are we done? March 25, 2008 5:23:01 PM from Nomi Harris: I mean, with this chat. March 25, 2008 5:23:02 PM from Jen Deegan: yes I think so March 25, 2008 5:23:05 PM from Jen Deegan: oh one thing March 25, 2008 5:23:09 PM from Nomi Harris: Yes? March 25, 2008 5:23:20 PM from Jen Deegan: if you want to look at the bugs on my OS I could give you control of my eclipse via webex March 25, 2008 5:23:27 PM from Jen Deegan: just a thought March 25, 2008 5:23:31 PM from Jen Deegan: I'm done noe March 25, 2008 5:23:32 PM from Jen Deegan: now March 25, 2008 5:23:38 PM from Nomi Harris: Do you want to do that now? March 25, 2008 5:23:45 PM from Jen Deegan: we could have a go March 25, 2008 5:23:46 PM from Jen Deegan: :-) March 25, 2008 5:23:48 PM from Nomi Harris: Ok March 25, 2008 5:23:52 PM from Jen Deegan: great March 25, 2008 5:23:55 PM from Jen Deegan: I'll save the chat too March 25, 2008 5:24:01 PM from midori: I'll bow out, since I have to get going anyway. March 25, 2008 5:24:02 PM from Nomi Harris: Thanks! March 25, 2008 5:24:06 PM from Nomi Harris: Ok, bye everyone.