OE Webex 4Oct07

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10/04/2007    16:30:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hey, Alex.
10/04/2007    16:30:22 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	tada
10/04/2007    16:31:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Hi there John, Harold, and Jen!
10/04/2007    16:31:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hello, my enthusiastic mouse people.
10/04/2007    16:31:49 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	It that Jen Needegan!?
10/04/2007    16:32:17 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	You must be hearing our squeaks of joy all the way in Colorado!
10/04/2007    16:32:25 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen, they can't see what you're saying because you're privately messaging me.
10/04/2007    16:32:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi
10/04/2007    16:32:34 PM    from Tanya to All Attendees:
	What did I miss?

10/04/2007    16:32:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	do you see me?
10/04/2007    16:32:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	hi tanya
10/04/2007    16:33:03 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	hello everyone!

10/04/2007    16:33:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	how's it there in stanford
10/04/2007    16:33:17 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	Sunny, a little on the cool side.

10/04/2007    16:33:26 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	What are the squeaks of joy for?

10/04/2007    16:33:31 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	They're mice people.
10/04/2007    16:33:39 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	Ah

10/04/2007    16:33:48 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	I don't think plants make joyful sounds.

10/04/2007    16:33:56 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	But maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention.

10/04/2007    16:34:11 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	To see the weather here, go to http://www.geddys.com/geddycams/videocam/
10/04/2007    16:35:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does that webcam operate when you're buttocks deep in the snow, too?
10/04/2007    16:35:55 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	'Cause I've always wanted to see that.
10/04/2007    16:35:58 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	yep; 
10/04/2007    16:36:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori is skyping me to say that she's having trouble logging on, so I'm going to take a bathroom break while she struggles.
10/04/2007    16:37:21 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Hey Harold, I just saw you walking down the street!
10/04/2007    16:38:32 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	and typing at the same time!
10/04/2007    16:38:44 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	wireless is a good thing
10/04/2007    16:38:53 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	On your iPhone no doubt!
10/04/2007    16:39:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Is Harold a technology early adopter? I thought I saw a kerosene powered washtub in his cubicle the last time I was there...
10/04/2007    16:40:32 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	that was my  cd washer
10/04/2007    16:41:30 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I'm controlling the camera from Iceland!
10/04/2007    16:41:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Science!
10/04/2007    16:41:56 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	FYI, as usual, I'll need to take off at 10 am (Pacific).

10/04/2007    16:42:15 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	dratted other meeting

10/04/2007    16:42:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yeah, I'm going to let Midori tunnel through my network in a moment...
10/04/2007    16:42:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anybody want to talk about bugs or anything while we wait?
10/04/2007    16:42:44 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Are you suggesting we get started?
10/04/2007    16:43:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Well, there's an important item of business that should wait for Midori to show up, but we can talk about little stuff until then.
10/04/2007    16:44:29 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	WIll you ship 2.0 with the Graph Editor available?
10/04/2007    16:44:56 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	Will the Users Guide get overhauled?  Will you farm out the updates like before?

10/04/2007    16:45:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Graph Editor: I guess that's up to you guys. I just finalized the plugin specification, so it's easy enough for me to take it out of the main application and put it in the plugin.
10/04/2007    16:45:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The Users Guide will be totally overhauled as soon as I think the thing is stable enough in its features to document properly.
10/04/2007    16:46:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame.
10/04/2007    16:46:36 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	) is that possible?
10/04/2007    16:46:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Good idea. There's probably an easy way to do that.
10/04/2007    16:46:52 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	At the very least, I can give you a GIF of it.
10/04/2007    16:47:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the no animation mode in the graph editor is great now
10/04/2007    16:47:27 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	was that a Jen-specific feature?

10/04/2007    16:47:29 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	:)

10/04/2007    16:47:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    16:47:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
10/04/2007    16:47:40 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I really like the ability to show a set number of terms and their relationships, and would like to be able to use different views in presentations or papers.
10/04/2007    16:47:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Sweet. I had to write a little virusy thing that injects my own animation manager into the Piccolo framework.
10/04/2007    16:47:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cool!
10/04/2007    16:48:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	is the graph dag viewer the same, I forgot to check
10/04/2007    16:48:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The graph dag viewer is now configurable too.
10/04/2007    16:48:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	you're a marvel
10/04/2007    16:48:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
10/04/2007    16:48:43 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I also removed all configuration buttons on non-configurable components.
10/04/2007    16:48:54 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	goog plan
10/04/2007    16:48:56 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	what I've really grown to like is being able to undock stuff
10/04/2007    16:48:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good plan I mean
10/04/2007    16:49:02 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Are people starting to feel like this thing is getting usable?
10/04/2007    16:49:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes I love that too
10/04/2007    16:49:26 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	But I've just  noticed that if I have multiple searchs, I an go back to an "older" one, but I can'tseem to force a selection
10/04/2007    16:49:38 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	yes, but I haven't put it through all its paces.
10/04/2007    16:49:55 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Harold: that sounds really bad, but I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase?
10/04/2007    16:49:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	has midori fallen down a hole?
10/04/2007    16:50:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori's trying to log in via a different laptop.
10/04/2007    16:50:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ah
10/04/2007    16:50:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does everyone here have access to skype?
10/04/2007    16:50:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    16:50:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	We could move this over there and do a multi-way chat.
10/04/2007    16:50:30 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	yes

10/04/2007    16:50:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we ony have 5 so it would work
10/04/2007    16:50:42 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	let me sign on

10/04/2007    16:50:44 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Skype is on now.
10/04/2007    16:50:45 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	I do one search; I do another search; I do another. I just back to search 1 and hilight a term, but it doesn't switch now to the selected term
10/04/2007    16:50:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	We'd have 6 with Midori, so maybe that wouldn't work...
10/04/2007    16:51:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I may have seen that problem too, but ignored it.
10/04/2007    16:51:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh
10/04/2007    16:51:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	If I start it from my dual core intel mac will it work?
10/04/2007    16:51:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	How 'bout IRC?
10/04/2007    16:51:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	irc could work
10/04/2007    16:51:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the old way you mean
10/04/2007    16:51:33 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I like it best of all.
10/04/2007    16:51:51 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	how about smoke signals?

10/04/2007    16:51:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Tanya, will IRC work for you?
10/04/2007    16:52:28 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	yup,

10/04/2007    16:52:31 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	do you see me?

10/04/2007    16:52:33 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	I'm in.

10/04/2007    16:52:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let's move over to IRC. The server is irc.sf.net, channel is #oboedit
10/04/2007    16:54:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	aha!
10/04/2007    16:54:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	midori is here
10/04/2007    16:54:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	canwe stay here
10/04/2007    16:54:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I can't get into irc
10/04/2007    16:55:25 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	Everyone back?

10/04/2007    16:55:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, is everyone looking at the right window.
10/04/2007    16:55:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    16:55:33 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	jes
10/04/2007    16:55:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes right window
10/04/2007    16:55:42 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Hi guys; sorry for all the bother.
10/04/2007    16:55:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no problem here now
10/04/2007    16:55:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'm very aware that Tanya has only 5 minutes, now, so I'm going to get right into it.
10/04/2007    16:55:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Ahem:
10/04/2007    16:57:03 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Last week, I was offered a job with the Google offices in Boulder, and I accepted it. I'll be leaving the Gene Ontology consortium at the beginning of December. But -
10/04/2007    16:57:31 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	we're doomed.
10/04/2007    16:57:38 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	eep

10/04/2007    16:57:41 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	yup
10/04/2007    16:57:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	congratulations!
10/04/2007    16:57:53 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Suzi and I are already working on finding a replacement who will continue all of our hard work with as much dedication and care as I have.
10/04/2007    16:58:01 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	congratulations, John!

10/04/2007    16:58:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Thanks, Tanya & Jen.
10/04/2007    16:58:11 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	congratulations John!
10/04/2007    16:58:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And alex.
10/04/2007    16:58:28 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	And best of luck when you get there!
10/04/2007    16:58:29 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	Way to go 
10/04/2007    16:58:33 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	It's going to be hard to find a replacement.

10/04/2007    16:58:42 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	(but we're still doomed.)
10/04/2007    16:58:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Didn't even know about Google being in Bolder.
10/04/2007    16:59:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	put a good word in for google cambridge and its ontology department
10/04/2007    16:59:28 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	as well as Google Iceland!
10/04/2007    16:59:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we have two johns.
10/04/2007    16:59:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'm back - webex just crashed on me!
10/04/2007    16:59:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	did we lose him?
10/04/2007    16:59:44 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	there's a google iceland?
10/04/2007    16:59:58 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	webex is already having a fit that you're leaving

10/04/2007    16:59:59 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	:(

10/04/2007    17:00:04 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	I'll miss you.

10/04/2007    17:00:11 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	me too
10/04/2007    17:00:16 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	we all will
10/04/2007    17:00:18 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Google puts its website up in Icelandic when you use an Icelandic IP number.
10/04/2007    17:00:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cool!
10/04/2007    17:00:28 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Amazing.
10/04/2007    17:00:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And now three crashes!
10/04/2007    17:00:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	where does one recruit a funny programmer?
10/04/2007    17:00:48 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Although you can switch back to English.
10/04/2007    17:00:50 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	Argh, I need to go/

10/04/2007    17:00:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there are nw three johns
10/04/2007    17:00:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	bye tanya
10/04/2007    17:00:59 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	bye
10/04/2007    17:01:01 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Bye
10/04/2007    17:01:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Bye, Tanya. We can skype later if you'd like.
10/04/2007    17:01:06 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	I'll keep this running so that I can catch the rest of the conversation but I won't actually be here.

10/04/2007    17:01:07 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	That John fellow gets around 
10/04/2007    17:01:11 PM    from Tanya to All Participants:
	ok

10/04/2007    17:01:22 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	can we keep a copy of him?
10/04/2007    17:01:33 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	If only...
10/04/2007    17:01:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anyway - I wrote a draft of the job description last night.
10/04/2007    17:01:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	well done
10/04/2007    17:01:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	did it mention funny?
10/04/2007    17:02:09 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	You didn't leave out the back rubs for beta testers, I hope.
10/04/2007    17:02:17 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It mentioned "sociable" and emphasized the importance of playing an active leadership role in the OBO-Edit community.
10/04/2007    17:02:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	write in that you get to work with lost of women. that will help
10/04/2007    17:02:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	lots
10/04/2007    17:02:44 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Aren't they all married now?
10/04/2007    17:02:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	who can't type at all
10/04/2007    17:02:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	possibly
10/04/2007    17:03:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	should we beta test the job description?
10/04/2007    17:03:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If people are interested, I know that Suzi would love to get the working group's input on the new hire.
10/04/2007    17:03:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And she might like that, too.
10/04/2007    17:03:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that would be good
10/04/2007    17:03:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	beta-testing the job description, I mean.
10/04/2007    17:03:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:04:08 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	That would be good -- interacting productively with a pack of biololgists is really important, but by no means easy.
10/04/2007    17:04:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	both true
10/04/2007    17:04:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	How about we make a webex interview with the working group part of the interview process?
10/04/2007    17:04:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That would allow everyone to give feedback, and would demonstrate the he/she could handle this well.
10/04/2007    17:04:49 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Hmm ... we'd also be able to measure patience with flaky technology :)
10/04/2007    17:04:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that would be a baptism of fire
10/04/2007    17:05:03 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	That could go strangely, though, depending on the nervousness of the interviewee.
10/04/2007    17:05:06 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	a big plus
10/04/2007    17:05:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we may have to accept that the new john will be different though
10/04/2007    17:05:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I think we'd only want 2 or 3 people in on that interview.
10/04/2007    17:05:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and interviewing to see if he/she is very very like johnmay not work well.
10/04/2007    17:05:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Or at least only 2 or 3 people typing.
10/04/2007    17:05:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	maybe a phone interview would be better?
10/04/2007    17:05:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	to asses friendliness
10/04/2007    17:06:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and thick skinnedness
10/04/2007    17:06:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'm sure the new person's ass will be just as friendly as mine.
10/04/2007    17:06:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	In any case -
10/04/2007    17:06:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Maybe a phone interview would be better.
10/04/2007    17:06:29 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I agree.
10/04/2007    17:06:34 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	There's no substitute for face-to-face; we'll have to trust Suzi & John to some extent no matter how we participate.
10/04/2007    17:07:02 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	What is our time frame?
10/04/2007    17:07:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	would you like some help to document the oboedit code to help the new person along?
10/04/2007    17:07:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Well, even if we don't find someone before I leave, I've agreed to help Suzi with the face-to-face part of the interviews, even if that means flying out to California for a weekend.
10/04/2007    17:07:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen - YES!
10/04/2007    17:07:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
10/04/2007    17:07:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Harold - I'll be leaving the first week of December. Between Dec 1 - 7.
10/04/2007    17:08:13 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll then be taking a week off to say goodbye to our baby, who I'll never see again because of his nap schedule and my long commute time...
10/04/2007    17:08:22 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Can you keep us informed about when interviews happen?
10/04/2007    17:08:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And then the googling begins.
10/04/2007    17:08:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori - absolutely.
10/04/2007    17:08:33 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Will we have time to finish 2.0 then?
10/04/2007    17:08:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Again, absolutely.
10/04/2007    17:08:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let's talk about priorities, given this -
10/04/2007    17:08:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I think we may be better to not switch to a new release just as our bug fixer leaves
10/04/2007    17:09:00 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Fix the text editor bugs.
10/04/2007    17:09:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	My thought was that getting an OBO-Edit 2 release is the top priority for me before I leave.
10/04/2007    17:09:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That includes the user's guide.
10/04/2007    17:09:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Two months should be plenty of time to do this.
10/04/2007    17:09:35 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I actually agree, as it is such a useful upgrade.
10/04/2007    17:09:47 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I'm inclined to agree, as long at that gives us time to find & fix the bugs.
10/04/2007    17:09:52 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	In that case, perhaps the graph editor as a plugin might be the thing to do
10/04/2007    17:10:11 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	We will always find bugs, even after the release.
10/04/2007    17:10:20 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yeah, but to minimize that -
10/04/2007    17:10:32 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I suggest that we implement an almost total feature freeze, effective immediately.
10/04/2007    17:10:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I agree
10/04/2007    17:10:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's almost total, because...
10/04/2007    17:10:41 PM    from Harold to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:10:49 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	True. But some of them absolutely have to be fixed 'cos theyre show-stoppers.
10/04/2007    17:11:03 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	(the bugs, that is ... more or less replying to Alex)
10/04/2007    17:11:03 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(but what about my new feature)
10/04/2007    17:11:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Feature-freeze, not bug-fix freeze
10/04/2007    17:11:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	exactly
10/04/2007    17:11:18 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	yep, got that
10/04/2007    17:11:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I want to add Alex's useful and easy feature
10/04/2007    17:11:38 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	sorry, which one was that?
10/04/2007    17:11:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	so should we prioritise testing big time then?
10/04/2007    17:11:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I'll put it on SF.
10/04/2007    17:11:52 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Jen - I would think so.
10/04/2007    17:12:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And there are some essential but complicated reasoner improvements that I don't feel comfortable leaving as the first thing the new guy does. I have to add those to the OBO-Edit 2 release.
10/04/2007    17:12:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There are also some infrastructure components that Phenote needs that must be included in this release.
10/04/2007    17:12:23 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Midori -Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame.
10/04/2007    17:12:23 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	... although I might wait for beta15 because 14 can't save def dbxrefs
10/04/2007    17:13:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Looks like Harold crashed.
10/04/2007    17:13:04 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	now my webex just crashed
10/04/2007    17:13:25 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	Harold's evil clone, Hurdil, is in control now
10/04/2007    17:13:30 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Midori, do you think it would be okay if I spend a bit of time with john doing developer docs? I'm close to being able to bug fix oboedit now and it could be handy when we're between developers.
10/04/2007    17:13:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	!
10/04/2007    17:13:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Say YES!)
10/04/2007    17:13:51 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	ok
10/04/2007    17:13:52 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:13:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	if chris, john and I worked together then we could do good stuff I think
10/04/2007    17:13:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Yay!
10/04/2007    17:14:03 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	(I'll collect my bribes later)
10/04/2007    17:14:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I think we can also get Amelia and Mark Gibson to help out, too.
10/04/2007    17:14:09 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
10/04/2007    17:14:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	very true
10/04/2007    17:14:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	A brief word about the reasoner improvements -
10/04/2007    17:15:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I've already done half of them, and they were stunningly easy to implement, so it should take very little time. Yesterday, I told the reasoner:
10/04/2007    17:15:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen is to the left of Midori and Midori is to the left of Harold
10/04/2007    17:15:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The reasoner told me:
10/04/2007    17:15:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Harold is to the right of Jen
10/04/2007    17:15:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cool!
10/04/2007    17:15:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I was very pleased.
10/04/2007    17:16:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	is it like a 2 year old child then?
10/04/2007    17:16:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but with less walking
10/04/2007    17:16:20 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	only if it's also got sticky fingers
10/04/2007    17:16:27 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
10/04/2007    17:16:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	In that it has hateful and complex needs and takes up way too much space, yes.
10/04/2007    17:16:44 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	but no diapers
10/04/2007    17:16:52 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	No, the shit goes everywhere.
10/04/2007    17:16:54 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	but it's so cute when it's sleeping
10/04/2007    17:16:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anyway -
10/04/2007    17:16:57 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	ah
10/04/2007    17:17:20 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'd like to get the working group in big-time release testing mode.
10/04/2007    17:17:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And I will shift to a twice-weekly release cycle.
10/04/2007    17:17:36 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	wow
10/04/2007    17:17:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall we divide the testing tasks up?
10/04/2007    17:17:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes.
10/04/2007    17:18:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Oh, crap! I had a question!
10/04/2007    17:18:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Before we continue -
10/04/2007    17:18:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Has anyone saved a file from the new OBO-Edit?
10/04/2007    17:18:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no
10/04/2007    17:18:26 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:18:30 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	no
10/04/2007    17:18:34 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	no
10/04/2007    17:18:38 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	You may have noticed the following new tags:
10/04/2007    17:18:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	created_by, modified_by, creation_date, modification_date
10/04/2007    17:18:52 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	didn't look that closely
10/04/2007    17:19:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The way that OBO-Edit is designed now, those tags will be written out whenever you save to OBO 1.2 format.
10/04/2007    17:19:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Is that okay?
10/04/2007    17:19:26 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	How does OBO-Edit 1.1 deal with the tags?
10/04/2007    17:19:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It will round-trip them, but it won't add new ones.
10/04/2007    17:19:41 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	okay
10/04/2007    17:19:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Do I need to add the ability to disable these new tags?
10/04/2007    17:20:14 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I wonder if there will be squawking if they appear in the go file during testing
10/04/2007    17:20:18 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:20:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we could stip them with a script if necessary
10/04/2007    17:20:27 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	so it might be safest to disable them until release
10/04/2007    17:20:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	true
10/04/2007    17:21:02 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	Yes; especially going back and forth to Oboedit 1
10/04/2007    17:21:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Should I just defer these until OBO 1.3 format?
10/04/2007    17:21:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	though we do need to bug test them
10/04/2007    17:21:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I could add OBO 1.3 as a potential output format - I think we know what the new features will be.
10/04/2007    17:21:55 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I think that this is a good plan.
10/04/2007    17:22:32 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	We would need to have the new specs to pass on to any of our SE's dealing with loading the GO into the dbs
10/04/2007    17:22:58 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	along with an implimentation date
10/04/2007    17:23:00 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Sorry, crashed again. I didn't see anything after Alex said "I think this is a good plan"
10/04/2007    17:23:46 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	need specs of 1.3 for distribution to SES responsible for loading GO into respective MOD dbs, and a time frame
10/04/2007    17:24:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The wiki page that I'm calling the OBO 1.3 whiteboard is at:
10/04/2007    17:24:25 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO:_1.3_Whiteboard
10/04/2007    17:24:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'd like to have the specification finalized (although not necessarily published) by the time I leave.
10/04/2007    17:24:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	When I leave, this will be entirely in Chris's hands.
10/04/2007    17:25:42 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I tend to trust you & Chris for all things format anyway.
10/04/2007    17:26:25 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Do we know of anyone desperate for term modification/creation time tracking?
10/04/2007    17:26:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	no
10/04/2007    17:26:43 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	And when is Chris being Googled?
10/04/2007    17:26:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	-)
10/04/2007    17:26:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that was my thought too
10/04/2007    17:27:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Chris is likely to become the head of BBOP when Suzi retires. I don't think he's going anywhere.
10/04/2007    17:27:21 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Maybe we could move the go editorial office to google ...
10/04/2007    17:27:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh that would be good
10/04/2007    17:27:33 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I would like that :-)
10/04/2007    17:27:38 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There's a good chance it will be at least 6 months before the consortium even adopts a time frame for adopting OBO 1.3
10/04/2007    17:27:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	So we should think carefully about whether this feature can wait that long.
10/04/2007    17:28:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If no one's scared by that, then we can move on, though.
10/04/2007    17:28:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	does anybody need this feature?
10/04/2007    17:28:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	move on I think
10/04/2007    17:28:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	since we're getting to the end of time
10/04/2007    17:28:36 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Not that I know of ... (need the feature, that is)
10/04/2007    17:28:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, let's come up with testing tasks -
10/04/2007    17:28:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shoud you make a list of testing tasks and mail it
10/04/2007    17:28:51 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
10/04/2007    17:28:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good
10/04/2007    17:29:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall we volunteer?
10/04/2007    17:29:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does anybody want to vote on anything right now? If not, I'll send out the list and we can volunteer via email.
10/04/2007    17:29:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good idea
10/04/2007    17:29:29 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	on the wiki maybe
10/04/2007    17:29:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	then we can all edit one copy
10/04/2007    17:29:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Good idea.
10/04/2007    17:29:42 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	hard to vote when we don't know how you'll divvy things up!
10/04/2007    17:29:45 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I have already made the page
10/04/2007    17:29:47 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	I like the wiki idea
10/04/2007    17:29:51 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Send out an email when it has been posted on the wiki.
10/04/2007    17:30:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I don't know how I'm going to divvy it up either. I'll work on the wiki page when we're done.
10/04/2007    17:30:20 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	My clock says time is up.
10/04/2007    17:30:26 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit_2.000_Testing_Tasks
10/04/2007    17:30:29 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	yup
10/04/2007    17:30:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cheerio then and well done again. :-)
10/04/2007    17:30:49 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	So many features, so little time
10/04/2007    17:30:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Many thanks. I'll see you again soon.
10/04/2007    17:31:00 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Bye all.
10/04/2007    17:31:06 PM    from Midori Harris to All Participants:
	Thanks, and bye
10/04/2007    17:31:06 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I saved the chat
10/04/2007    17:31:11 PM    from hurdil to All Participants:
	ok; bye