OE Webex 6Dec07

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12/06/2007    17:33:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	lots of people here today
12/06/2007    17:33:57 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Attendees:
	last hurrah
12/06/2007    17:34:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	indeed
12/06/2007    17:34:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
	we should sing a song or something
12/06/2007    17:34:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Attendees:
	Hi all!
12/06/2007    17:34:43 PM    from Erika to All Attendees:
	hi John!
12/06/2007    17:34:56 PM    from Wasila to All Participants:
	hello!
12/06/2007    17:34:57 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	(everyone change to all participants)
12/06/2007    17:34:58 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	We can go to all participants now
12/06/2007    17:34:59 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Hi John!
12/06/2007    17:35:02 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Hi
12/06/2007    17:35:07 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	Hello!
12/06/2007    17:35:15 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	HI!
12/06/2007    17:35:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Wow, the gang's all here!
12/06/2007    17:35:27 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	hi
12/06/2007    17:35:46 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Did you sleep last night?
12/06/2007    17:36:10 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Not much--my stupid cat kept meowing.
12/06/2007    17:36:15 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	(But I guess you probably weren't asking me, were you?)
12/06/2007    17:36:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	who were you asking?
12/06/2007    17:36:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The OBO-Edit release happened very late.
12/06/2007    17:36:37 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ah!
12/06/2007    17:36:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And another happened early this morning.
12/06/2007    17:36:40 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	well done
12/06/2007    17:36:49 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	sleep coding
12/06/2007    17:37:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I've just got b24 downloaded ...
12/06/2007    17:37:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	does anybody know how to do releases after you're gone?
12/06/2007    17:37:05 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Yes
12/06/2007    17:37:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	great
12/06/2007    17:37:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Which is why the menus didn't work in beta23 - I left some dumb debugging code in that I should have removed.
12/06/2007    17:37:20 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I put up a wiki page about it
12/06/2007    17:37:28 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh thanks, that would be good
12/06/2007    17:37:37 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Unfortunately, the installer maker is not Open Source.  John gave me his license.
12/06/2007    17:37:47 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	When I leave, I will pass it on to the new developer.
12/06/2007    17:37:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that's fine, as long as one person can do it
12/06/2007    17:38:41 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	what's the plan today?
12/06/2007    17:38:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	reminiscence?
12/06/2007    17:38:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Are there any outstanding issues that we need to discuss before we get to demos/etc?
12/06/2007    17:38:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	nope
12/06/2007    17:39:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, then lemme say a few things:
12/06/2007    17:39:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	First, a round of virtual hand raising for Midori, who has done amazing bug testing work this week. I bow in her honor.
12/06/2007    17:40:11 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	<blush> aaaaawww
12/06/2007    17:40:29 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Yay, Midori!
12/06/2007    17:40:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hooray!
12/06/2007    17:40:34 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	<clap, clap, clap>
12/06/2007    17:40:50 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Second, I've made a gift for you dedicated working group members.
12/06/2007    17:40:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I'd like to thank the Academy .....
12/06/2007    17:40:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	http://www.fruitfly.org/~jrichter/quotes_plugin.jar
12/06/2007    17:41:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It installs like any other OBO-Edit Plugin.
12/06/2007    17:41:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It gets its data online, so I can update it from time to time even after I've left.
12/06/2007    17:42:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we drop it in extensions do we?
12/06/2007    17:42:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	~/.oboeditbeta/extensions
12/06/2007    17:42:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Is probably the best place.
12/06/2007    17:42:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh right
12/06/2007    17:42:33 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	eeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12/06/2007    17:42:35 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	very clever!
12/06/2007    17:42:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But plugins can also be put in your OBO-Edit install /extensions directory.
12/06/2007    17:43:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It randomly picks a quote from a list, so you'll see a few different things when you start up.
12/06/2007    17:43:43 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	bizarre!
12/06/2007    17:44:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	We will always have you with us in virtual form.
12/06/2007    17:44:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And my bugs.
12/06/2007    17:44:24 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Ihave three copies on the go now
12/06/2007    17:44:25 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I guess all that work on the image plugin paid off!
12/06/2007    17:44:39 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Thanks for that. :-)
12/06/2007    17:44:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	It makes restarting OBO-Edit way more fun
12/06/2007    17:44:57 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	hehehe
12/06/2007    17:45:02 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Oy.
12/06/2007    17:45:09 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, next item of business...
12/06/2007    17:45:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'd like everyone to meet Amina, our bright young applicant for the OBO-Edit position.
12/06/2007    17:45:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Hi Amina
12/06/2007    17:45:50 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Welcome!
12/06/2007    17:45:51 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	hi everyone
12/06/2007    17:45:58 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	thanks!
12/06/2007    17:46:11 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	Hi Amina, glad you made it!
12/06/2007    17:46:25 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	hello!
12/06/2007    17:46:55 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I believe Amina is here today just to see how these meetings go (although this one is a little atypical), but down the line there'll be a chance for everyone in the WG to have an interview-y talk with her.
12/06/2007    17:47:02 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Is that right?
12/06/2007    17:47:18 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	Yeah I had some problems logging on and called the GO conference line as I wasn't sure if we were supposed to be talking too. guess thats after the webex
12/06/2007    17:47:36 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	that's waht I though t...
12/06/2007    17:47:38 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes
12/06/2007    17:47:47 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	ok
12/06/2007    17:47:47 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	(never can type in these chats without tons of typ.os)
12/06/2007    17:47:51 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	see?
12/06/2007    17:47:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but that kind of confusion is good parctise
12/06/2007    17:48:05 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	practise
12/06/2007    17:48:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(the queen's spelling)
12/06/2007    17:48:36 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	good point - this is the sort of thing the job entails
12/06/2007    17:48:39 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	yes- Jen, Midori and I are doing the conference call after our webex, but anyone else is welcome to schedule to speak with Amina. But maybe keep our conference call to just the three of us so its not to crazy?
12/06/2007    17:48:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Absolutely.  Maybe we can do a little text Q & A at the end.
12/06/2007    17:49:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Of this webex, I mean.
12/06/2007    17:49:09 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	great idea
12/06/2007    17:49:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, I'll go quickly then -
12/06/2007    17:49:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	A quick reminder -
12/06/2007    17:50:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Tonight will be the very last OBO-Edit release during my tenure (tomorrow will be spend tearing down my lab and mailing it to California). LOOK FOR BUGS!
12/06/2007    17:50:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does anyone know about an outstanding bug I haven't addressed?
12/06/2007    17:51:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	mine are all in sourceforge
12/06/2007    17:51:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The bug report page is full of stuff, but as far as I know everything on the page is out of date.
12/06/2007    17:51:35 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	same here, for everything I've found so far.
12/06/2007    17:51:49 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	There's a lot that I simply haven't tested.
12/06/2007    17:51:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	many of mine are feature requests but needed to make things useable
12/06/2007    17:51:51 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	really.
12/06/2007    17:52:15 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes there's a lot I haven't tested too as we haven't been using it for routine editing yet
12/06/2007    17:52:18 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen, I'll look at the feature requests and see what I can do today.
12/06/2007    17:52:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	thanks :-)
12/06/2007    17:52:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm assuming that we'll just keep plugging away at it in the coming weeks
12/06/2007    17:53:04 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	yup
12/06/2007    17:53:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	John, after tomorrow will you be out of the picture completely, or will you occasionally be consultable?
12/06/2007    17:53:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we need to be using it day to day to really get ideas
12/06/2007    17:53:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll be consultable, but my available time & resources will be greatly curtailed.
12/06/2007    17:54:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I guess his replacement will be the main one who wants to consult
12/06/2007    17:54:07 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	yes
12/06/2007    17:54:15 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	We're just gonna have to go through the withdrawal.
12/06/2007    17:54:17 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but probably the one who knows him least?
12/06/2007    17:54:46 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	but gets to know the code the best.
12/06/2007    17:55:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	My replacement won't be totally in the dark. Chris Mungall, Mark Gibson (Phenote) and Nicole Washington (Phenote) have a lot of experience with the OBO-Edit code now. They'll be very helpful.
12/06/2007    17:55:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we probably need to make arrangements for the people most familiar with the code to be very accessible to John's replacement
12/06/2007    17:55:19 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh tht's good then
12/06/2007    17:55:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	In fact, Chris did one of the bug fixes I released last night.
12/06/2007    17:55:47 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	how shoudl we communicate with them? via the developer list?
12/06/2007    17:56:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If you have developer questions, yes. Otherwise, via my replacement (who is currently Nomi)
12/06/2007    17:56:32 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	good to know, thanks
12/06/2007    17:56:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Presumably some topics/questions would be suitable for the O-E wg list as vell.
12/06/2007    17:57:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Absolutely.
12/06/2007    17:57:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes, I was just wondering about the questions that are only aboutsource code
12/06/2007    17:57:34 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	the developer list is a fine way to discuss though
12/06/2007    17:58:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	This reminds me, we should talk a little about the immediate transition plan -
12/06/2007    17:58:34 PM    from Chris to All Attendees:
	Yes, just keep using the normal fora: sourceforge, OE-WG mail list, or the OE developers list if it's a code question
12/06/2007    17:58:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	As of tomorrow, Nomi will be the go-to gal for OBO-Edit.
12/06/2007    17:58:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	thanks
12/06/2007    17:59:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Her first major task (besides bug fixes) will be to update the User's Guide.
12/06/2007    17:59:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	<cringe>
12/06/2007    17:59:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	lucky Nomi!
12/06/2007    17:59:25 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Yay!
12/06/2007    17:59:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I don't know how much I'll be able to do in terms of bug fixes, but I will assess them and then
12/06/2007    17:59:34 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	maybe get help from Chris, Nicole, etc.
12/06/2007    17:59:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I suggest we resurrect the previous User's Guide process where we divide up the guide and ask WG members to contribute sections with which they are expert.
12/06/2007    17:59:59 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	For the User's Guide, I will be seeking content from the actual users (you know who you are!).
12/06/2007    18:00:09 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	<hides>
12/06/2007    18:00:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	ok
12/06/2007    18:00:18 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I especially need content for the functionality that is new in OE2.
12/06/2007    18:00:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I looked over the guide last night, and it seems like a lot of the work is taking stuff *out*.
12/06/2007    18:00:32 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	You guys don't have to worry about getting it into a nice format or anything--just send me raw text and I'll do the rest.
12/06/2007    18:00:45 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Taking stuff out shouldn't be too bad.  <wields machete>
12/06/2007    18:00:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Much of the guide is dedicated to the xml layout minutia, which is no longer relevant.
12/06/2007    18:00:56 PM    from Tanya Berardini to All Participants:
	(got to go to Sue's presentation, all the best John!)
12/06/2007    18:01:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Bye, Tanya! Have fun.
12/06/2007    18:01:20 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Can we set up a wiki to volunteer for sections of the user's guide?
12/06/2007    18:01:26 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Sure
12/06/2007    18:01:33 PM    from Chris to All Attendees:
	I will do reasoner, xps
12/06/2007    18:01:47 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I'll make a wiki page and send out the URL
12/06/2007    18:02:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I don't even know what the new sections will be called, so I'll leave it open...
12/06/2007    18:02:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It should probably go on the general OBO-Edit Wiki.
12/06/2007    18:02:46 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	You mean, on http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit ?
12/06/2007    18:02:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	But as a new page, right?
12/06/2007    18:03:08 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Right.
12/06/2007    18:03:23 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ok.
12/06/2007    18:03:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I am investigating Open Source tools to replace HelpBreeze.
12/06/2007    18:03:51 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	HelpBreeze is Windows only.
12/06/2007    18:04:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	um, what does it do?
12/06/2007    18:04:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I tried to launch it in my Windows emulator, but it wanted a password that I don't have.
12/06/2007    18:04:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That's the Java Help editor we use.
12/06/2007    18:04:11 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	(Nicole gave me the executable.)
12/06/2007    18:04:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Nomi - I can send you that info)
12/06/2007    18:04:27 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Right, it helps manage the help pages--tables of content, etc.
12/06/2007    18:04:43 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	It also provides an HTML editor, but I don't mind editing the HTML by hand.
12/06/2007    18:05:07 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Anyway, I downloaded one from SourceForge called jhelpdev.
12/06/2007    18:05:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	I'm going to try it out.
12/06/2007    18:05:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Cool.
12/06/2007    18:05:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'd like to move on to a quick demo, and then use the last 10 mins for Amina Q & A.
12/06/2007    18:05:41 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	John, is the image plugin considered final at this point?
12/06/2007    18:06:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does it work with the new version?
12/06/2007    18:06:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I thought I'd have to re-release it.
12/06/2007    18:07:24 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I haven't tried it lately -- there's been a lot of betas.
12/06/2007    18:07:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll re-release it tonight if necessary, and then it's final.
12/06/2007    18:07:46 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Great!
12/06/2007    18:07:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, demo time -
12/06/2007    18:08:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	First demo item - component help.
12/06/2007    18:08:59 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	OE is very small for me
12/06/2007    18:09:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Forgot to fix my resolution.
12/06/2007    18:09:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I can't see it at all
12/06/2007    18:09:23 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	me neither now
12/06/2007    18:09:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	strange invisible oboedit
12/06/2007    18:09:55 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	there it is
12/06/2007    18:09:57 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Very good now
12/06/2007    18:10:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Now I only see the lower right corner
12/06/2007    18:10:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What?
12/06/2007    18:10:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Lots of mousing around.
12/06/2007    18:10:52 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Were people able to see the new help screen?
12/06/2007    18:10:53 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I saw it
12/06/2007    18:10:57 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes I was
12/06/2007    18:10:58 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	But I did see the help screen.
12/06/2007    18:10:59 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	yes
12/06/2007    18:11:02 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I recorded it too
12/06/2007    18:11:04 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I couldn't see all of your screen.
12/06/2007    18:11:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Can't please everyone...
12/06/2007    18:11:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	nope
12/06/2007    18:11:31 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I can try it out myself.
12/06/2007    18:11:37 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anyway, there are new help buttons on the title bar of some components (if help has been configured). These point right to the relevant help section for that component.
12/06/2007    18:11:50 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	nice
12/06/2007    18:11:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Right now, they aren't too useful, because only two components have them. They're mainly included as a demo so Nomi can add lots more.
12/06/2007    18:12:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Great
12/06/2007    18:12:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Are there special tags in the help section?
12/06/2007    18:12:13 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(It's just an id you set in the component factory, Nomi)
12/06/2007    18:12:16 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Ok
12/06/2007    18:12:20 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
	Whatever that means
12/06/2007    18:12:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Next thing - renaming screen panels.
12/06/2007    18:12:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'm going to do a search, configure the default way the search results are shown, and then rename the panel to some custom name...
12/06/2007    18:14:24 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	can't see any of the action ...
12/06/2007    18:14:42 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I recorded tht too, I'll send it round
12/06/2007    18:14:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Could other folks see that? I'm going to restart sharing in the hopes that Midori's experience will improve.
12/06/2007    18:14:49 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Why would one want to do that?
12/06/2007    18:14:55 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	(I saw it.)
12/06/2007    18:14:56 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Are  panel name changes permanent?
12/06/2007    18:15:01 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	because some of the names are very long
12/06/2007    18:15:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It will remember them through a restart.
12/06/2007    18:15:09 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ah.
12/06/2007    18:15:18 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	I don't think its very nice to say things like that on your last day :-)

12/06/2007    18:15:19 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Can you have multiple panels with the same name?  That would be a good reason for renaming.
12/06/2007    18:15:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But new panels of the same kind will have their default names when they're displayed
12/06/2007    18:15:50 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	By default, any two panels of the same type have the same name.
12/06/2007    18:16:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	To change the name, right-click the title in the title bar and just type the new thing in.
12/06/2007    18:16:20 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh that's good
12/06/2007    18:16:37 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Also - you may have noticed that global renderers now work in search results, so obsolete terms appear in red with a line through them.
12/06/2007    18:16:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	If you close a panel does it revert to the default name when you reopen it?
12/06/2007    18:16:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Alex - yes.
12/06/2007    18:17:01 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	nice john
12/06/2007    18:17:07 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	yes very nice
12/06/2007    18:17:26 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	yes very nice
12/06/2007    18:17:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Next thing - panels that automatically open as windows.
12/06/2007    18:17:56 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	oooh, a whole OBO-Edit! :)
12/06/2007    18:19:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	A couple things to notice there -
12/06/2007    18:19:22 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	OE is gone for me!
12/06/2007    18:19:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The Configuration Manager and Reasoner Manager now open in their own windows.
12/06/2007    18:19:40 PM    from KarenE to All Attendees:
	goen for me too
12/06/2007    18:19:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	They can be docked into the regular interface as usual, though.
12/06/2007    18:19:44 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	but we can dock them presumeably
12/06/2007    18:19:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	oh good
12/06/2007    18:19:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	When you close the configuration manager, it will commit your changes whether or not you click "save".
12/06/2007    18:20:37 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	so why have the save button at all then?
12/06/2007    18:20:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	In case you dock it.
12/06/2007    18:21:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And for continuity with the old way it worked.
12/06/2007    18:21:14 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	so it autosaves undocked, but requires saving when docked?
12/06/2007    18:21:23 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Did it actually work correctly in the demo?
12/06/2007    18:21:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I didn't see the icons changed when you closed it without saving.
12/06/2007    18:21:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes. That last time I quickly cancelled that icon change, which might not have been obvious. But it worked the first time I did it without cancelling.
12/06/2007    18:22:13 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	A webex update thing then.
12/06/2007    18:22:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It saves when you click the "close" button or close the window, or if you press the save button.
12/06/2007    18:23:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Two more real quick things:
12/06/2007    18:23:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I've reinstated the on-the-fly verification system, so it'll do spell checking and all kinds of other checks too.
12/06/2007    18:23:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	As you type.
12/06/2007    18:24:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If something is in red, it has a problem. If it's underlined (in a text window) or has a quick fix icon (in a list), you can right click it to get a list of quick fixes.
12/06/2007    18:24:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Like so:
12/06/2007    18:25:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	So that should be handy.
12/06/2007    18:25:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	that will help a lot with content meetings and american spelling
12/06/2007    18:25:43 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	I really like "add [word] to dictionary".
12/06/2007    18:25:46 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	for us non-americans
12/06/2007    18:25:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Last feature: 
12/06/2007    18:26:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	You can use Ctrl+Space to autocomplete a single word in any autocomplete box:
12/06/2007    18:27:04 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	great
12/06/2007    18:27:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Note that this shortcut is Ctrl+Space on macs too (command-space is reserved on macs)
12/06/2007    18:27:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And now I'm done.
12/06/2007    18:27:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	<small bow>
12/06/2007    18:27:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let the grilling of Amina commence!
12/06/2007    18:27:48 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	<clapping>
12/06/2007    18:27:51 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	<applause>
12/06/2007    18:27:59 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	sure
12/06/2007    18:28:34 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	thanks for the demo John - was pretty cool looking at OBO Edit 
12/06/2007    18:28:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Thank you.
12/06/2007    18:29:03 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	I tried using it myself too - havent done anything constructive yet though
12/06/2007    18:29:04 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	John, you rock.  We will miss you.
12/06/2007    18:29:07 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	Many thanks, best wishes, and all that!!!!!!
12/06/2007    18:29:34 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Good luck and thanks for everything!
12/06/2007    18:29:44 PM    from KarenE to All Attendees:
	Good Luck John - I miss you already.
12/06/2007    18:29:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Thank you all. I'll miss you.
12/06/2007    18:29:52 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Stay in touch!
12/06/2007    18:29:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Yes have a great time in the new job. Skype chat us any time
12/06/2007    18:30:09 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	... oh, and I have a file to send you via Skype ...
12/06/2007    18:30:12 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	We'll try not to pester you too much (but we will undoubtedly have questions)
12/06/2007    18:31:13 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	(I meant to John)
12/06/2007    18:31:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I will now bow out to allow you to focus on Amina and Nomi questions. Farewell - I'll miss you all, and would be honored to you behind the backs of the other working group members to tell you how much better you are than the rest of them.
12/06/2007    18:31:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Damn it! Mistyped my last joke!
12/06/2007    18:31:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	We got it :-)
12/06/2007    18:32:01 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Where is auto-correction when you need it, huh?
12/06/2007    18:32:10 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	How fittingly ironic.
12/06/2007    18:32:14 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	:-)
12/06/2007    18:32:17 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Farewell.
12/06/2007    18:32:22 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cheerio
12/06/2007    18:32:22 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	So who is staying now to talk to Amina and who is supposed to leave?
12/06/2007    18:32:27 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	(I'm not sure which category I'm in.)
12/06/2007    18:32:30 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Al the best. <sniff>
12/06/2007    18:32:30 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	hoorahhh John!
12/06/2007    18:32:35 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	I'm staying but it's on the phone
12/06/2007    18:32:57 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Hoorahhhh John again!
12/06/2007    18:33:00 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Isn't it me, Midori,Amina and someone
12/06/2007    18:33:02 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I'll say bye and thanks again!
12/06/2007    18:33:10 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cheerio Alex
12/06/2007    18:33:17 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	maybe we can have WG members ask Amina questions and vice versa now if they like, and then we can move to the phone?
12/06/2007    18:33:17 PM    from Nomi Harris to All Participants:
	Ok, bye!
12/06/2007    18:33:23 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I can stay for 10 minutes more
12/06/2007    18:33:25 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Since those of us who are doing the phone chat are here, we ca nwait until anyone else who has questions for Amina to sak.
12/06/2007    18:33:29 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	... er, ask.
12/06/2007    18:33:49 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	...so that's a "yes" to Melissa
12/06/2007    18:34:16 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	Does anyone have any questions?
12/06/2007    18:34:52 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	we're down to just the phone people now as Erika can't stay
12/06/2007    18:34:56 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	and Tanya has gone
12/06/2007    18:35:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	shall we ring in on the phone line?
12/06/2007    18:35:08 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	you can go and have the conference call
12/06/2007    18:35:12 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	Well, then, I guess we can call in.
12/06/2007    18:35:13 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
	cheerio Erika
12/06/2007    18:35:19 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
	ok sounds good.
12/06/2007    18:35:21 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	I do not have any questions in particular
12/06/2007    18:35:23 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	bye!
12/06/2007    18:35:24 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	alright I'll call in
12/06/2007    18:35:27 PM    from Amina Abdulla to All Participants:
	bye everyone
12/06/2007    18:35:32 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	Bye all
12/06/2007    18:35:33 PM    from Erika to All Participants:
	thanks
12/06/2007    18:36:15 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	ok, shutting down the meeting