OE Webex 9Sep08

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09/09/2008    09:27:20 AM    from melissaH :	hi!
09/09/2008    09:27:23 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Good morning
09/09/2008    09:27:28 AM    from midori :	Hi all
09/09/2008    09:28:40 AM    from Amina :	Hi Midori
09/09/2008    09:29:09 AM    from Amina :	Can I send you some bug links on skype Midori
09/09/2008    09:29:24 AM    from Amina :	I'd like to get your views on these particular ones
09/09/2008    09:29:44 AM    from midori :	sure
09/09/2008    09:30:03 AM    from Amina :	webex doesn't work right on linux
09/09/2008    09:31:14 AM    from Nomi Harris :	We may have a small group today, since I forgot to send out the meeting announcement yesterday.
09/09/2008    09:31:19 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Hi, Karen.
09/09/2008    09:31:45 AM    from midori :	Jen's on vacation, too.
09/09/2008    09:31:58 AM    from Nomi Harris :	midori, I was hoping to hear whether you and Chris reached any interesting conclusions during his visit.
09/09/2008    09:32:08 AM    from midori :	Jane says hi, but she's gone home -- tied to the day care schedule nowadays.
09/09/2008    09:32:23 AM    from midori :	She's been trying out OE2, though, and put in a bug report.
09/09/2008    09:32:24 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I know how that is.
09/09/2008    09:32:28 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Yes, I saw her report.
09/09/2008    09:32:40 AM    from Amina :	So just to let everyone know: I was talking to midori about the "trim redundant links when integrating XPs" and "Remove all redundant relations" feature requests
09/09/2008    09:32:51 AM    from midori :	(I have to go at 6, and it looks like I'm gonna get rained on ...)
09/09/2008    09:32:56 AM    from Karen :	Hi all
09/09/2008    09:33:09 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I haven't been able to reproduce Jane's problem.
09/09/2008    09:33:19 AM    from Nomi Harris :	midori, before you go can you demo the "weird scrolling" bug to me?
09/09/2008    09:33:37 AM    from midori :	sure!
09/09/2008    09:34:08 AM    from midori :	It may be OE2's current intended behavior, but I'd love to see it changed, and I bet Jen would agree.
09/09/2008    09:34:21 AM    from Nomi Harris :	It doesn't sound intentional.  It sounds wrong.
09/09/2008    09:34:33 AM    from Nomi Harris :	In any case, I'm not seeing it.
09/09/2008    09:34:56 AM    from midori :	for everyone else - we're talking about this:
09/09/2008    09:34:57 AM    from midori :	https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2051357&group_id=36855&atid=418257
09/09/2008    09:35:30 AM    from midori :	I showed Chris when he was here
09/09/2008    09:36:30 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Does anyone else have things to discuss, or can midori demo it right now?
09/09/2008    09:36:54 AM    from midori :	also showed him the parent editor bug and my overall arthritically slow OE2
09/09/2008    09:37:09 AM    from midori :	We chatted a bit about release prospects later, when Jane & Jen arrived.
09/09/2008    09:37:19 AM    from midori :	I'll demo any ol' time
09/09/2008    09:37:19 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Yes?
09/09/2008    09:37:30 AM    from Nomi Harris :	What were your thoughts about release prospects?
09/09/2008    09:37:59 AM    from midori :	We thought a release by the Oct. meeting was pie-in-the-sky, but about 3-6 monts might be realistic.
09/09/2008    09:38:11 AM    from Nomi Harris :	:-(
09/09/2008    09:38:21 AM    from David OS :	Wow - as long as that ?
09/09/2008    09:38:28 AM    from Amina :	yeah - we'll need some time for testing too
09/09/2008    09:38:29 AM    from midori :	Chris suggested getting an "uber-beta" ready by the meeting, so we could switch into testing overdrive thereafter.
09/09/2008    09:38:46 AM    from Amina :	Right - thats the goal at the moment
09/09/2008    09:38:51 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I'm not sure how that will be different from the normal betas.  We're always striving to fix the most critical bugs.
09/09/2008    09:39:15 AM    from Amina :	Yeah as long as we have most of the high priority bugs fixed
09/09/2008    09:39:20 AM    from Amina :	by october
09/09/2008    09:39:40 AM    from David OS :	I'm finding the most recent releases pretty usable. Better than some of the full releases of OE1
09/09/2008    09:39:56 AM    from midori :	I guess we mean all features in place -- Jen mentioned finding things that she could do in OE1 but are either not present, not working, or hidden in OE2
09/09/2008    09:40:04 AM    from midori :	... ask Jen for more details there.
09/09/2008    09:40:18 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ok.
09/09/2008    09:40:20 AM    from Amina :	David: about the trim redundant links when integrating XPs bugs
09/09/2008    09:40:26 AM    from David OS :	Yes
09/09/2008    09:40:29 AM    from David OS :	?
09/09/2008    09:40:47 AM    from Amina :	can you tell me about the filters your setting
09/09/2008    09:40:50 AM    from midori :	I have high hopes for b49. I'm more worried about doing thorough enough test ing.
09/09/2008    09:41:02 AM    from Amina :	or the work around that you and chris talked about
09/09/2008    09:41:09 AM    from midori :	(why does webex always insert a space when I delete a letter???)
09/09/2008    09:41:13 AM    from Amina :	I looked at the screenshots you put up
09/09/2008    09:41:32 AM    from Amina :	thanks for that
09/09/2008    09:42:07 AM    from David OS :	I think that for the released version - I may be able to do a filtered save which deletes redundant links.
09/09/2008    09:42:21 AM    from Amina :	yeah now that we have that fixed
09/09/2008    09:42:36 AM    from Amina :	is this still a priority 7 feature request
09/09/2008    09:43:06 AM    from David OS :	When I posted the request - filters weren't working on the OTE. They are now - so will try them again to see if this gives me a way to clean up the view.
09/09/2008    09:43:43 AM    from David OS :	I'll have a play ASAP and down grade the request if the filters and filtered save work.
09/09/2008    09:43:46 AM    from Amina :	yeah that would be helpful
09/09/2008    09:43:49 AM    from Amina :	thanks
09/09/2008    09:43:57 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Thanks, David.
09/09/2008    09:44:29 AM    from Amina :	Midori would the editors be interested in this feature too?
09/09/2008    09:45:44 AM    from midori :	I think so -- we're not quite at the stage where we would use that sort of thing for GO, but that's because we haven't made any cross-products "live" yet. Once we do, I think we'd want  the same sort of ability to unclutter the display.
09/09/2008    09:46:03 AM    from David OS :	Much higher priority for me now is preventing dangling refs from showing up in the editor panels as blank terms (request 1918562)
09/09/2008    09:46:16 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I will look into that
09/09/2008    09:46:33 AM    from David OS :	I guess GO will also need this once they start doing XPs "live".
09/09/2008    09:46:37 AM    from David OS :	?
09/09/2008    09:47:11 AM    from midori :	yup
09/09/2008    09:47:49 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ready to do the demo, midori?
09/09/2008    09:48:03 AM    from midori :	yes ... coming to a screen near you
09/09/2008    09:48:03 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Remember, we won't see what you're typing while we're looking at your screen.
09/09/2008    09:50:32 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Are you done demoing?
09/09/2008    09:50:33 AM    from midori :	Sorry about the flailing around ... had to remember a term where I saw the jumping.
09/09/2008    09:50:42 AM    from midori :	Did you see what I mean?
09/09/2008    09:50:49 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Well, I couldn't see any jumping that wasn't just WebEx refreshing.
09/09/2008    09:51:00 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Every time you adjusted the size of the panels, the whole OE went blank and redrew.
09/09/2008    09:51:14 AM    from Nomi Harris :	So, no, I'm afraid I didn't see what you meant.
09/09/2008    09:51:25 AM    from Amina :	Well yeah that makes sense
09/09/2008    09:51:31 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Can you send me the sequence of terms that you clicked so I can try it myself?
09/09/2008    09:51:32 AM    from Amina :	it does do a panel redraw
09/09/2008    09:51:42 AM    from Nomi Harris :	It looked to me like it just scrolled to whatever you selected.
09/09/2008    09:51:43 AM    from Amina :	but it shouldn't go blank
09/09/2008    09:51:46 AM    from Nomi Harris :	On WebEx, that looks jumpy.
09/09/2008    09:51:46 AM    from midori :	Now that I've found one of my examples, I'll demo again. Watch what happens when I select one term, then shift-select some more.
09/09/2008    09:51:58 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ok, I'll watch, but I think the WebEx jumpiness makes it hard to see.
09/09/2008    09:52:13 AM    from Amina :	the demo was quiet choppy because of the slow refresh rates
09/09/2008    09:53:38 AM    from Nomi Harris :	go ahead
09/09/2008    09:54:10 AM    from midori :	crud. It may be webex that prevents me showing you what I mean. But I tried to select three adjacent terms, and when I shift-clicked on the second, the display jumped somewhere else.
09/09/2008    09:54:28 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I didn't see the demo at all!  My turquoise box for your screen stayed blank.
09/09/2008    09:54:35 AM    from midori :	trying again -- this time I'll hover the cursor over the terms for a while first.
09/09/2008    09:56:14 AM    from midori :	Was that any better at all?
09/09/2008    09:56:19 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ok, that time I did see it jump somewhere weird.
09/09/2008    09:56:28 AM    from midori :	That's it!
09/09/2008    09:56:38 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I couldn't tell exactly what you were doing to cause it, though.  Can you send me a step-by-step procedure?
09/09/2008    09:56:43 AM    from midori :	I expect to see the same "place" where I'm clicking.
09/09/2008    09:56:49 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I had tried many times shift-clicking other terms and it never scrolled weirdly like that.
09/09/2008    09:57:17 AM    from Amina :	Is it taking time to redraw when you scroll quickly
09/09/2008    09:57:18 AM    from Amina :	?
09/09/2008    09:57:45 AM    from midori :	0. for this demo, I used the three children of GO:0051926
09/09/2008    09:57:52 AM    from midori :	1. Select a term.
09/09/2008    09:58:22 AM    from midori :	2. Shift-click another term, which selects a contiguous block of terms.
09/09/2008    09:58:56 AM    from Nomi Harris :	1. Select a term:  in the OTE or from the search results?
09/09/2008    09:59:00 AM    from midori :	3. Watch while the OTE display shows you some other part of the ontology. Scroll back to where the selected terms show up in a block.
09/09/2008    09:59:15 AM    from Nomi Harris :	2. Which term did you shift-click?
09/09/2008    09:59:39 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I need you to be really specific, because I've tried that generic sequence of operations many times without seeing the weird scrolling.
09/09/2008    10:01:03 AM    from midori :	First, I searched for GO:0051926, then I opened up its child terms - GO:0010523, GO:0032235, and GO:0051927.
09/09/2008    10:01:16 AM    from midori :	In step 1 I selected GO:0010523.
09/09/2008    10:01:27 AM    from midori :	Then I shift-clicked on GO:0051927.
09/09/2008    10:01:43 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Great.  I'll try that later.  I know you need to go now.
09/09/2008    10:01:49 AM    from midori :	Thanks!
09/09/2008    10:01:59 AM    from midori :	I'm gonna get wet ...
09/09/2008    10:02:02 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Sorry!
09/09/2008    10:02:22 AM    from midori :	Oh well, that's the British summer for ya.
09/09/2008    10:02:30 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Does anyone else have things to discuss?
09/09/2008    10:03:13 AM    from David OS :	One quick thing
09/09/2008    10:03:16 AM    from Karen :	I just tried and I can duplicate Midori's result from those instructions, think I'm up-to-date with the  latest beta
09/09/2008    10:03:26 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ok
09/09/2008    10:03:56 AM    from David OS :	I have an annoying intermittent bug - seen on two different linux boxes with multiple beta releases:
09/09/2008    10:04:02 AM    from midori :	Bye for now!
09/09/2008    10:04:18 AM    from Amina :	go ahead David
09/09/2008    10:04:23 AM    from Amina :	bye Midori
09/09/2008    10:04:38 AM    from David OS :	SOmetimes I can't type in a box unless I detach that box from the main window
09/09/2008    10:04:54 AM    from Nomi Harris :	What do you mean by "box"?  A component, or a text box?
09/09/2008    10:04:55 AM    from David OS :	I mean - detach the sub-window into a separate window
09/09/2008    10:04:58 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Ah.
09/09/2008    10:04:59 AM    from Amina :	Do you see this only on linux
09/09/2008    10:05:13 AM    from David OS :	I only really edit on linux nowadays
09/09/2008    10:05:14 AM    from Nomi Harris :	I have never seen that--have you, Amina?
09/09/2008    10:05:19 AM    from Amina :	Right - you mean undocking it
09/09/2008    10:05:22 AM    from David OS :	so not sure if it happens elsewhere
09/09/2008    10:05:22 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Which components have you seen this with?
09/09/2008    10:05:25 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Search?
09/09/2008    10:05:26 AM    from David OS :	yes undocking
09/09/2008    10:05:37 AM    from Amina :	No I haven't seen it either
09/09/2008    10:05:38 AM    from David OS :	seach and texteditor
09/09/2008    10:06:12 AM    from Nomi Harris :	If you can come up with a reproducible set of conditions or operations that causes it, please let us know.
09/09/2008    10:06:17 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Also, you can file a bug report.
09/09/2008    10:06:24 AM    from Amina :	It doesn't happen on OSX and Windows for sure
09/09/2008    10:06:30 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Since we don't have access to a Sun, it's going to be hard for us to test/fix this, unfortunately.
09/09/2008    10:06:35 AM    from Amina :	You think its your windowing manager
09/09/2008    10:06:46 AM    from Amina :	what flavor of linux are you running
09/09/2008    10:06:58 AM    from David OS :	DOn't worry about the Sun thing - rarely use my SUn with OE
09/09/2008    10:07:14 AM    from David OS :	2 machines: 1 redhat, the other Ubuntu
09/09/2008    10:07:28 AM    from Amina :	I develop and test on ubuntu
09/09/2008    10:07:45 AM    from Amina :	David try: metacity --replace
09/09/2008    10:07:46 AM    from David OS :	didn't file a bug report yet because it's intemittent.
09/09/2008    10:07:56 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Still worth filing, just note that it's intermittent.
09/09/2008    10:08:02 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Those kinds of bugs can be hard to track down.
09/09/2008    10:08:09 AM    from Amina :	Ubuntu compiz has a weird drawing bug
09/09/2008    10:08:16 AM    from Nomi Harris :	compiz?
09/09/2008    10:09:20 AM    from Amina :	compiz is the window manager for the X window system
09/09/2008    10:09:54 AM    from Amina :	the ubuntu GUI tha t is in broad terms
09/09/2008    10:10:14 AM    from Amina :	David did you try metacity --replace
09/09/2008    10:10:37 AM    from Amina :	Since its intermittent guess it would be hard to tell if that fixes it
09/09/2008    10:11:17 AM    from David OS :	tried it on my laptop (Ubuntu).  As it's intemittent I'll have to work for some tiem to know whether it's fixed.
09/09/2008    10:12:08 AM    from Amina :	ok
09/09/2008    10:12:15 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Are we done?
09/09/2008    10:12:38 AM    from Tanya :	<just lurking here>
09/09/2008    10:12:44 AM    from Amina :	sounds like its a drawing bug - not a OE bug per say
09/09/2008    10:13:19 AM    from melissaH :	<I've been lurking too- haven't done any editing for a while>
09/09/2008    10:13:28 AM    from Amina :	David you could also try setting AWTTookit=MToolkit
09/09/2008    10:13:55 AM    from Amina :	I'll email you some information on that
09/09/2008    10:14:28 AM    from David OS :	OK. Cheers Amina.
09/09/2008    10:14:33 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Until next week...
09/09/2008    10:14:35 AM    from Nomi Harris :	Bye all
09/09/2008    10:14:38 AM    from David OS :	Bye
09/09/2008    10:14:46 AM    from Karen :	bye