08/12/2008 17:30:16 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Hi Midori
08/12/2008 17:30:22 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Hi
08/12/2008 17:30:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Shall we get started?
08/12/2008 17:30:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes
08/12/2008 17:31:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
What shall we discuss?
08/12/2008 17:31:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I don't have any big topics today
08/12/2008 17:31:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Anybody else?
08/12/2008 17:31:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I haven't managed to consistently reproduce midori's dbxref library bug.
08/12/2008 17:31:39 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
I think we should all applaud the new and improved search speed!
08/12/2008 17:31:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Yes that's weird that it's fixed for me too.
08/12/2008 17:31:52 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I haven't checked b45 or 46 for the dbxref library bug.
08/12/2008 17:31:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
yes I think that speed should be celebrated too.
08/12/2008 17:32:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Thank you, thank you.
08/12/2008 17:32:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Did you notice that clicking the first time in the OTE is faster, too?
08/12/2008 17:32:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It was annoying me that that was so slow.
08/12/2008 17:32:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
yes much faster now
08/12/2008 17:32:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Subsequent clicks are still slower than I would like; the speedup is mostly for the first click, because I'm preloading the relationship icons.
08/12/2008 17:32:53 PM from midori to All Attendees:
yes
08/12/2008 17:32:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Do you mean the first time you click on a term?
08/12/2008 17:33:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
oh I see
08/12/2008 17:33:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
very good!
08/12/2008 17:33:28 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It takes an extra 1-1.5 seconds at startup, but I figured that was tolerable.
08/12/2008 17:33:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Better than waiting 1.5 seconds when you select a term.
08/12/2008 17:33:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
startup seems much much faster to me.
08/12/2008 17:33:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
is that right?
08/12/2008 17:33:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
Yes, I noticed that too
08/12/2008 17:33:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I don't see the splash screen any more
08/12/2008 17:34:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh, whoops.
08/12/2008 17:34:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
not a problem, I just wondered.
08/12/2008 17:34:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
it's like magic startup.
08/12/2008 17:34:18 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I haven't timed it
08/12/2008 17:34:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The faster startup and lack of splash screen (I thought something looked different on startup but hadn't put my finger on it)
08/12/2008 17:34:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
are due to my trying to reduce the gratuitous reloads/redraws on startup.
08/12/2008 17:34:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
that seems very good.
08/12/2008 17:34:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
But I guess I went too far, if the splash screen doesn't show up.
08/12/2008 17:34:45 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I've just checked, and I'm still getting My Own Special Dbxref Library Bug. :(
08/12/2008 17:34:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
:-(
08/12/2008 17:35:01 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
You are just not meant to add lots of dbxrefs, I guess.
08/12/2008 17:35:25 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I haven't deleted the config directory for b46, but it didn't help for 43 ...
08/12/2008 17:35:44 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Grea t. Much of my work is adding dbxrefs.
08/12/2008 17:35:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Don't worry, we'll fix it somehow!
08/12/2008 17:36:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Do try renaming your config dir.
08/12/2008 17:36:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I think I hadn't done the dbxref fix yet in b43.
08/12/2008 17:36:20 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I still have OE2 eating up lots of CPU, too.
08/12/2008 17:36:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
So maybe it's not fixed for you bcs of some config thing.
08/12/2008 17:36:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Try renaming your config and see if it fixes the dbxref problem, and if it does, then send me your config dir and I'll try to figure out why.
08/12/2008 17:37:16 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Midori do you get the same performance on windows and OSX
08/12/2008 17:37:18 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Renaming the config directory didn't help with the dbxref library before (tho I'm happy to try again)
08/12/2008 17:37:24 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I don't use windowns
08/12/2008 17:37:29 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
ic
08/12/2008 17:37:29 PM from midori to All Attendees:
(er, windows)
08/12/2008 17:37:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Right, i know it didn't help before, but I think b43 was before I fixed the problem for me and Jen, wasn't it?
08/12/2008 17:37:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I had the bug on windows and mac but it has gone away.
08/12/2008 17:38:10 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
The dbxref or cpu spikes Jen?
08/12/2008 17:38:11 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Not sure which beta it was, but mine was still broken in the beta that fixed i t for you and Jen.
08/12/2008 17:38:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Hmm, I guess b43 was when I (supposedly) fixed it.
08/12/2008 17:38:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
the dbxref, sorry
08/12/2008 17:38:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
(the dbxref)
08/12/2008 17:38:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
wouldn't hurt to try renaming again.
08/12/2008 17:38:41 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Trying now ...
08/12/2008 17:38:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
great
08/12/2008 17:38:53 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Ok was just checking since the spikes are a problem on windows too
08/12/2008 17:39:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Amina, one other thing I changed in FilterQuery was to take out a timer.
08/12/2008 17:39:44 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
John has a lot of timers that do stuff every second or whatever, and I think they might be contributing to CPU spikes when you're not doing anything.
08/12/2008 17:39:56 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
ok - those would've just been for benchmarking i assume
08/12/2008 17:39:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
We can look at the timer when we're done with this meeting.
08/12/2008 17:40:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No, not the getTime ones, the ones that go, "Did something happen? How about now? Now? Now?"
08/12/2008 17:40:23 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Sounds good
08/12/2008 17:40:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The timed text checks do that, but there are others as well.
08/12/2008 17:40:49 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Yeah that design pattern can get expensive
08/12/2008 17:41:00 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes.
08/12/2008 17:41:04 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Hi Karen
08/12/2008 17:41:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I wanted to let you all know that next week we have collaborators from NESCENT here all week.
08/12/2008 17:41:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I may not be able to do much OBO-Edit work.
08/12/2008 17:41:32 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
And the week after, I'll be on vacation.
08/12/2008 17:41:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
thanks for letting us know.
08/12/2008 17:41:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm hoping to make more progress this week on time/memory issues.
08/12/2008 17:42:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
excellent
08/12/2008 17:42:26 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
Are we aiming to have an official 2.0 before the GOC in Montreal?
08/12/2008 17:42:36 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
yes Harols
08/12/2008 17:42:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
That would be nice; we'll have to see if it's doable.
08/12/2008 17:42:40 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Harold
08/12/2008 17:42:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
The things that I'm noticing most now are the problems with selecting terms in the OTE and the problem with the tree viewer.
08/12/2008 17:43:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
You mean, the problem you have when you ctrl-select four things in the OTE?
08/12/2008 17:43:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I guess that too, but I mean when I click terms and rogue menus pop up.
08/12/2008 17:43:35 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
rogue menu's
08/12/2008 17:43:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I just click a term and often a menu just pops up unbidden
08/12/2008 17:43:39 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Hmmm. Dbxref library: OK immediately after deleting config dir. But as soon as I change the font, symptoms start to appear.
08/12/2008 17:43:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh, right. I can look into the bug with the consider menus. That should be fixable.
08/12/2008 17:43:53 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
Oh I haven't noticed that Jen
08/12/2008 17:44:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
yes it's very weird
08/12/2008 17:44:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm still not sure what to do about the sensitive drag issue. It thinks you've dragged sometimes when you feel like you released the mouse.
08/12/2008 17:44:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
it's incredibly sensitive still.
08/12/2008 17:44:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I haven't thought of a test that would differentiate between real drags and those that aren't real.
08/12/2008 17:44:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
yes I see.
08/12/2008 17:44:46 PM from midori to All Attendees:
2.0 by Oc tober would be fantastic, but would also be surprising.
08/12/2008 17:44:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
I was thinking that perhaps I had the mouse set too sensitive, as I often just pass over a term in the Tree and the menu's start poping up; however, nothing bad happens
08/12/2008 17:44:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
yes true
08/12/2008 17:45:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
we can keep trying though, and not worry if it doesn't happen
08/12/2008 17:45:12 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I think the reason it thinks you're dragging is that it's so busy thinking while you're clicking things.
08/12/2008 17:45:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Yes that's what I think too.
08/12/2008 17:45:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I'm not sure what it's doing.
08/12/2008 17:45:39 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It does a lot of work when you select something in the OTE.
08/12/2008 17:45:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I think maybe when I click a term it has to do a lot of things with other panels maybe.
08/12/2008 17:45:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I've been trying to see if I can make that faster.
08/12/2008 17:45:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
but it even happens with no other panels open
08/12/2008 17:45:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes, that's part of it.
08/12/2008 17:46:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Many components hear the selection event and respond to it.
08/12/2008 17:46:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
oh I see.
08/12/2008 17:46:33 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I get the spurious menu less often than in the past, but still fairly frequently.
08/12/2008 17:46:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
would it be possible for them not to respond unless I have them open?
08/12/2008 17:46:51 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It doesn't put me off OE2 nearly as much as the CPU spikes, though.
08/12/2008 17:46:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
What do you mean?
08/12/2008 17:46:56 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Have what open?
08/12/2008 17:47:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
well if I only have one OTE and one Graphviz panel, then maybe just those two panels could respond to a selection event.
08/12/2008 17:47:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh, I see.
08/12/2008 17:47:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
That should be the case.
08/12/2008 17:47:47 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
You will find that if you close the Graph Editor, many things are faster.
08/12/2008 17:47:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I never have that open.
08/12/2008 17:48:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The Graph Editor is still a big CPU eater, though I've improved it a bit.
08/12/2008 17:48:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
might it still be listening even though it is shut?
08/12/2008 17:48:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
No, I fixed that.
08/12/2008 17:48:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
oh great.
08/12/2008 17:48:20 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It used to.
08/12/2008 17:48:48 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I haven't used the Graph Editor, and I'm still getting crippling CPU spikes.
08/12/2008 17:48:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I tried using the netbeans profiler to watch what happens when I commit a text change and it is really a lot of things.
08/12/2008 17:49:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
like thousands of things.
08/12/2008 17:49:00 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Harold, I know you need to go soon--was there anything you wanted to discuss?
08/12/2008 17:49:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I was surprised.
08/12/2008 17:49:18 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
no;
08/12/2008 17:49:27 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Jen, I'm not surprised, I know thousands of things happen.
08/12/2008 17:49:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
ah
08/12/2008 17:49:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
The question is whether any of them are avoidable, which is what I have been investigating.
08/12/2008 17:50:02 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees:
argh... another meeting calls drags. kidnaps; bye all
08/12/2008 17:50:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
It sounds very interesting but I don't know about that stuff yet.
08/12/2008 17:50:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
When you commit a text change, all the other components have to update in case your change made a difference (e.g. new term name)
08/12/2008 17:50:17 PM from midori to All Attendees:
bye harold
08/12/2008 17:50:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
by Hurdil
08/12/2008 17:50:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
oh
08/12/2008 17:50:33 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
bye Harold
08/12/2008 17:50:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
for a def change I suppose that is really unnecessary
08/12/2008 17:51:14 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
mdiori, a few minutes ago you said you were renaming your config dir--did it fix your dbxref library problem?
08/12/2008 17:51:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Jen, the problem is that it just registers as a text commit; it's not so fine-grained that it tells all the other components exactly what changed in the text edit.
08/12/2008 17:51:42 PM from midori to All Attendees:
For one edit, it did. Then I changed the font, and the probelm is back.
08/12/2008 17:51:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
So strange.
08/12/2008 17:52:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Can you send me those two config dirs--the one where it works and the one where it doesn't?
08/12/2008 17:52:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I did notice that the dbxref problem got worse after a period of editing.
08/12/2008 17:52:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
It was the precursor to the app going totally mad.
08/12/2008 17:52:45 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It doesn't seem to matter what I change it to -- anything big enough to read is buggy. I'll also try changing something else first (tho that'll make me grumble abou tthe tiny type).
08/12/2008 17:53:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I can't imagine that what you change the font to matters.
08/12/2008 17:53:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I'll try this too, with the font I mean.
08/12/2008 17:53:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
BTW, if other people routinely change the font, we can choose a new default font.
08/12/2008 17:53:22 PM from midori to All Attendees:
That's why I'm going to try changing something else now ...
08/12/2008 17:53:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I don't mind which size or anything.
08/12/2008 17:53:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
You could make it bigger if that would help.
08/12/2008 17:54:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'm happy to make it bigger if people want.
08/12/2008 17:54:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I do notch it up to 14 now I think of it.
08/12/2008 17:55:06 PM from Karen to All Attendees:
I like the font size as is, so there's probably no default that will make everyone happy
08/12/2008 17:55:09 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Which font is this? How do you change it?
08/12/2008 17:55:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
It's in the configuration manager.
08/12/2008 17:55:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
there's just one control
08/12/2008 17:55:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, so it's the general font size
08/12/2008 17:55:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
yes
08/12/2008 17:55:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I can try changing that and see if I get the dbxref library bug (though you have changed the font w/o seeing that bug, right Jen?)
08/12/2008 17:56:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
no actually I see it too now.
08/12/2008 17:56:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Aha
08/12/2008 17:56:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I put the font up to 18 and the bug is back
08/12/2008 17:56:43 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Do you use the dbxref library docked or undocked?
08/12/2008 17:56:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
also the computer is making a noise like a hairdryer
08/12/2008 17:56:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
docked
08/12/2008 17:56:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
well spotted Midori.
08/12/2008 17:57:05 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I've seen the bug with it docked or undocked.
08/12/2008 17:57:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
When I ask it to add a dbxref now it adds it but the second time it doesn't then the hairdryer kicks in.
08/12/2008 17:58:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
After that, further attempts to add dbxrefs just make other pre-existing ones disappear.
08/12/2008 17:58:16 PM from midori to All Attendees:
yep, that's the beast.
08/12/2008 17:58:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
great :-)
08/12/2008 17:58:27 PM from midori to All Attendees:
glad I wasn't just imagining it :P
08/12/2008 17:58:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Aha! I just changed my font and now I can add 2 dbxrefs but not a third!
08/12/2008 17:58:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
clicking the + button does not make them reappear this time.
08/12/2008 17:58:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
So weird, why would the font matter??
08/12/2008 17:58:56 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It oughta get fixed, no matter what we end up using as the default font.
08/12/2008 17:58:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Ok, good, now I can reproduce the problem, so I can try to fix it.
08/12/2008 17:59:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
maybe it doesn't like to redraw big text :-)
08/12/2008 17:59:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
BTW, did you like my fix in the dbxref text editor where tab and return do what you'd think they should do?
08/12/2008 17:59:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
my computer is still going nuts
08/12/2008 17:59:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Mine's doing the hairdryer, too.
08/12/2008 17:59:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
brilliant yes!
08/12/2008 17:59:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
very good.
08/12/2008 17:59:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
the hairdryer is a feature I think.
08/12/2008 17:59:44 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I know what it's doing--for some reason, it gets in an infinite loop trying to redraw the dbxref table.
08/12/2008 17:59:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
handwarming.
08/12/2008 17:59:51 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Attendees:
Watching this sounds just like a narration of the spotting of a member of an endangered species.
08/12/2008 17:59:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
:-)
08/12/2008 18:00:05 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I saw this before and "fixed" it (so I thought) by changing the spacing between dbxrefs.
08/12/2008 18:00:12 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I think this could be an actual Java bug.
08/12/2008 18:00:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
*Gosh*
08/12/2008 18:00:31 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It's not just size; I just changed typeface but stuck with 12pt, and got symptoms.
08/12/2008 18:00:32 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
We should catch it in a jar and bring it to the natural history museum. :-)
08/12/2008 18:00:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
'jar' ho ho ho
08/12/2008 18:01:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
midori, it seems like anything that causes changes to the layout of the dbxref table can cause this bug to appear or disappear.
08/12/2008 18:01:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
does that mean that you get to put in a bug report?
08/12/2008 18:01:21 PM from midori to All Attendees:
or reopen the old one ...
08/12/2008 18:01:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It doesn't make sense to me that the table cell renderer is called over and over like that, and it didn't seem like it was anything OE was doing--it was Swing doing it.
08/12/2008 18:01:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I'll reopen the old one. It's the same bug.
08/12/2008 18:01:43 PM from midori to All Attendees:
thanks
08/12/2008 18:02:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I meant a sun bug report, but great.
08/12/2008 18:02:19 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh
08/12/2008 18:02:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I don't have it to that point yet.
08/12/2008 18:02:57 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Are we done for today?
08/12/2008 18:03:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
should we delete the config directory to fix this? My computer is getting very worked up.
08/12/2008 18:03:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Jus tone question.
08/12/2008 18:03:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
did you get my graphviz email?
08/12/2008 18:03:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Yes
08/12/2008 18:03:20 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will answer it
08/12/2008 18:03:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
great
08/12/2008 18:03:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
thanks.
08/12/2008 18:03:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I'm done then. :-)
08/12/2008 18:03:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Thanks for all the brilliant work on application speed.
08/12/2008 18:03:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
It's fine with me if you commit your new feature in Graphviz, Jen.
08/12/2008 18:03:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
great, thanks. I'll do that.
08/12/2008 18:04:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Bye?
08/12/2008 18:04:07 PM from midori to All Attendees:
I've got a question about the "cycles" that we've been discussing on account of the missing-arrow bug report.
08/12/2008 18:04:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
bye :-)
08/12/2008 18:04:11 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Oh! Yes?
08/12/2008 18:04:35 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Yes, -- it's in the bug report too, but I thought I'd bring it up if we have a minute o r two.
08/12/2008 18:04:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Sure
08/12/2008 18:05:24 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It's this: why does the "cycle" appearance -- whether it's the old missing arrows, or the new greyed-out terms -- only show up when I use the Parent Editor to delete a parent?
08/12/2008 18:06:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I don't know.
08/12/2008 18:06:27 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will look into that.
08/12/2008 18:06:29 PM from midori to All Attendees:
If I just browse in the OTE, I just see 'disjoint_from' text icons in front of terms that don't have the '+' to expand children (which makes sense).
08/12/2008 18:06:47 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Right, I made it stop showing the +s for disjoint_from relations
08/12/2008 18:06:55 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
You don't really want ot see their children.
08/12/2008 18:07:06 PM from midori to All Attendees:
If I add or delete a relationship in the OTE, it basically stays the same.
08/12/2008 18:07:19 PM from midori to All Attendees:
Correct, we don't want to see the children.
08/12/2008 18:07:43 PM from midori to All Attendees:
If I add a parent in the parent editor, again, it continues to look normal.
08/12/2008 18:07:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
I will investigate.
08/12/2008 18:08:24 PM from midori to All Attendees:
It's only when I delete a relationship using the parent editor that the OTE display goes haywire. Makes it hard to use the parent editor -- and otherwise I'd be a big fan of using it.
08/12/2008 18:08:28 PM from midori to All Attendees:
thanks
08/12/2008 18:08:46 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Can someone save this chat? For some reason, WebEx let me save it earlier but won't now.
08/12/2008 18:08:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
I can try
08/12/2008 18:08:54 PM from Amina to All Attendees:
I'll do it Nomi
08/12/2008 18:08:57 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees:
Thanks