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08/12/2008 17:30:16 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Hi Midori 08/12/2008 17:30:22 PM from midori to All Attendees: Hi 08/12/2008 17:30:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Shall we get started? 08/12/2008 17:30:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes 08/12/2008 17:31:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: What shall we discuss? 08/12/2008 17:31:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I don't have any big topics today 08/12/2008 17:31:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Anybody else? 08/12/2008 17:31:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I haven't managed to consistently reproduce midori's dbxref library bug. 08/12/2008 17:31:39 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: I think we should all applaud the new and improved search speed! 08/12/2008 17:31:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Yes that's weird that it's fixed for me too. 08/12/2008 17:31:52 PM from midori to All Attendees: I haven't checked b45 or 46 for the dbxref library bug. 08/12/2008 17:31:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yes I think that speed should be celebrated too. 08/12/2008 17:32:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Thank you, thank you. 08/12/2008 17:32:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Did you notice that clicking the first time in the OTE is faster, too? 08/12/2008 17:32:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It was annoying me that that was so slow. 08/12/2008 17:32:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: yes much faster now 08/12/2008 17:32:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Subsequent clicks are still slower than I would like; the speedup is mostly for the first click, because I'm preloading the relationship icons. 08/12/2008 17:32:53 PM from midori to All Attendees: yes 08/12/2008 17:32:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Do you mean the first time you click on a term? 08/12/2008 17:33:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: oh I see 08/12/2008 17:33:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: very good! 08/12/2008 17:33:28 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It takes an extra 1-1.5 seconds at startup, but I figured that was tolerable. 08/12/2008 17:33:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Better than waiting 1.5 seconds when you select a term. 08/12/2008 17:33:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: startup seems much much faster to me. 08/12/2008 17:33:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: is that right? 08/12/2008 17:33:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: Yes, I noticed that too 08/12/2008 17:33:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I don't see the splash screen any more 08/12/2008 17:34:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh, whoops. 08/12/2008 17:34:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: not a problem, I just wondered. 08/12/2008 17:34:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: it's like magic startup. 08/12/2008 17:34:18 PM from midori to All Attendees: I haven't timed it 08/12/2008 17:34:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The faster startup and lack of splash screen (I thought something looked different on startup but hadn't put my finger on it) 08/12/2008 17:34:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: are due to my trying to reduce the gratuitous reloads/redraws on startup. 08/12/2008 17:34:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: that seems very good. 08/12/2008 17:34:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: But I guess I went too far, if the splash screen doesn't show up. 08/12/2008 17:34:45 PM from midori to All Attendees: I've just checked, and I'm still getting My Own Special Dbxref Library Bug. :( 08/12/2008 17:34:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: :-( 08/12/2008 17:35:01 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: You are just not meant to add lots of dbxrefs, I guess. 08/12/2008 17:35:25 PM from midori to All Attendees: I haven't deleted the config directory for b46, but it didn't help for 43 ... 08/12/2008 17:35:44 PM from midori to All Attendees: Grea t. Much of my work is adding dbxrefs. 08/12/2008 17:35:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Don't worry, we'll fix it somehow! 08/12/2008 17:36:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Do try renaming your config dir. 08/12/2008 17:36:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I think I hadn't done the dbxref fix yet in b43. 08/12/2008 17:36:20 PM from midori to All Attendees: I still have OE2 eating up lots of CPU, too. 08/12/2008 17:36:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: So maybe it's not fixed for you bcs of some config thing. 08/12/2008 17:36:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Try renaming your config and see if it fixes the dbxref problem, and if it does, then send me your config dir and I'll try to figure out why. 08/12/2008 17:37:16 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Midori do you get the same performance on windows and OSX 08/12/2008 17:37:18 PM from midori to All Attendees: Renaming the config directory didn't help with the dbxref library before (tho I'm happy to try again) 08/12/2008 17:37:24 PM from midori to All Attendees: I don't use windowns 08/12/2008 17:37:29 PM from Amina to All Attendees: ic 08/12/2008 17:37:29 PM from midori to All Attendees: (er, windows) 08/12/2008 17:37:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Right, i know it didn't help before, but I think b43 was before I fixed the problem for me and Jen, wasn't it? 08/12/2008 17:37:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I had the bug on windows and mac but it has gone away. 08/12/2008 17:38:10 PM from Amina to All Attendees: The dbxref or cpu spikes Jen? 08/12/2008 17:38:11 PM from midori to All Attendees: Not sure which beta it was, but mine was still broken in the beta that fixed i t for you and Jen. 08/12/2008 17:38:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Hmm, I guess b43 was when I (supposedly) fixed it. 08/12/2008 17:38:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: the dbxref, sorry 08/12/2008 17:38:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: (the dbxref) 08/12/2008 17:38:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: wouldn't hurt to try renaming again. 08/12/2008 17:38:41 PM from midori to All Attendees: Trying now ... 08/12/2008 17:38:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: great 08/12/2008 17:38:53 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Ok was just checking since the spikes are a problem on windows too 08/12/2008 17:39:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Amina, one other thing I changed in FilterQuery was to take out a timer. 08/12/2008 17:39:44 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: John has a lot of timers that do stuff every second or whatever, and I think they might be contributing to CPU spikes when you're not doing anything. 08/12/2008 17:39:56 PM from Amina to All Attendees: ok - those would've just been for benchmarking i assume 08/12/2008 17:39:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: We can look at the timer when we're done with this meeting. 08/12/2008 17:40:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No, not the getTime ones, the ones that go, "Did something happen? How about now? Now? Now?" 08/12/2008 17:40:23 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Sounds good 08/12/2008 17:40:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The timed text checks do that, but there are others as well. 08/12/2008 17:40:49 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Yeah that design pattern can get expensive 08/12/2008 17:41:00 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes. 08/12/2008 17:41:04 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Hi Karen 08/12/2008 17:41:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I wanted to let you all know that next week we have collaborators from NESCENT here all week. 08/12/2008 17:41:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I may not be able to do much OBO-Edit work. 08/12/2008 17:41:32 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: And the week after, I'll be on vacation. 08/12/2008 17:41:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: thanks for letting us know. 08/12/2008 17:41:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm hoping to make more progress this week on time/memory issues. 08/12/2008 17:42:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: excellent 08/12/2008 17:42:26 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: Are we aiming to have an official 2.0 before the GOC in Montreal? 08/12/2008 17:42:36 PM from Amina to All Attendees: yes Harols 08/12/2008 17:42:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: That would be nice; we'll have to see if it's doable. 08/12/2008 17:42:40 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Harold 08/12/2008 17:42:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: The things that I'm noticing most now are the problems with selecting terms in the OTE and the problem with the tree viewer. 08/12/2008 17:43:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: You mean, the problem you have when you ctrl-select four things in the OTE? 08/12/2008 17:43:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I guess that too, but I mean when I click terms and rogue menus pop up. 08/12/2008 17:43:35 PM from Amina to All Attendees: rogue menu's 08/12/2008 17:43:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I just click a term and often a menu just pops up unbidden 08/12/2008 17:43:39 PM from midori to All Attendees: Hmmm. Dbxref library: OK immediately after deleting config dir. But as soon as I change the font, symptoms start to appear. 08/12/2008 17:43:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh, right. I can look into the bug with the consider menus. That should be fixable. 08/12/2008 17:43:53 PM from Amina to All Attendees: Oh I haven't noticed that Jen 08/12/2008 17:44:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yes it's very weird 08/12/2008 17:44:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm still not sure what to do about the sensitive drag issue. It thinks you've dragged sometimes when you feel like you released the mouse. 08/12/2008 17:44:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: it's incredibly sensitive still. 08/12/2008 17:44:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I haven't thought of a test that would differentiate between real drags and those that aren't real. 08/12/2008 17:44:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yes I see. 08/12/2008 17:44:46 PM from midori to All Attendees: 2.0 by Oc tober would be fantastic, but would also be surprising. 08/12/2008 17:44:51 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: I was thinking that perhaps I had the mouse set too sensitive, as I often just pass over a term in the Tree and the menu's start poping up; however, nothing bad happens 08/12/2008 17:44:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yes true 08/12/2008 17:45:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: we can keep trying though, and not worry if it doesn't happen 08/12/2008 17:45:12 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I think the reason it thinks you're dragging is that it's so busy thinking while you're clicking things. 08/12/2008 17:45:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Yes that's what I think too. 08/12/2008 17:45:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I'm not sure what it's doing. 08/12/2008 17:45:39 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It does a lot of work when you select something in the OTE. 08/12/2008 17:45:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I think maybe when I click a term it has to do a lot of things with other panels maybe. 08/12/2008 17:45:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I've been trying to see if I can make that faster. 08/12/2008 17:45:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: but it even happens with no other panels open 08/12/2008 17:45:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, that's part of it. 08/12/2008 17:46:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Many components hear the selection event and respond to it. 08/12/2008 17:46:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: oh I see. 08/12/2008 17:46:33 PM from midori to All Attendees: I get the spurious menu less often than in the past, but still fairly frequently. 08/12/2008 17:46:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: would it be possible for them not to respond unless I have them open? 08/12/2008 17:46:51 PM from midori to All Attendees: It doesn't put me off OE2 nearly as much as the CPU spikes, though. 08/12/2008 17:46:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: What do you mean? 08/12/2008 17:46:56 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Have what open? 08/12/2008 17:47:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: well if I only have one OTE and one Graphviz panel, then maybe just those two panels could respond to a selection event. 08/12/2008 17:47:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh, I see. 08/12/2008 17:47:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: That should be the case. 08/12/2008 17:47:47 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: You will find that if you close the Graph Editor, many things are faster. 08/12/2008 17:47:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I never have that open. 08/12/2008 17:48:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The Graph Editor is still a big CPU eater, though I've improved it a bit. 08/12/2008 17:48:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: might it still be listening even though it is shut? 08/12/2008 17:48:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No, I fixed that. 08/12/2008 17:48:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: oh great. 08/12/2008 17:48:20 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It used to. 08/12/2008 17:48:48 PM from midori to All Attendees: I haven't used the Graph Editor, and I'm still getting crippling CPU spikes. 08/12/2008 17:48:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I tried using the netbeans profiler to watch what happens when I commit a text change and it is really a lot of things. 08/12/2008 17:49:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: like thousands of things. 08/12/2008 17:49:00 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Harold, I know you need to go soon--was there anything you wanted to discuss? 08/12/2008 17:49:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I was surprised. 08/12/2008 17:49:18 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: no; 08/12/2008 17:49:27 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Jen, I'm not surprised, I know thousands of things happen. 08/12/2008 17:49:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: ah 08/12/2008 17:49:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The question is whether any of them are avoidable, which is what I have been investigating. 08/12/2008 17:50:02 PM from hurdil (harold's evil twin) to All Attendees: argh... another meeting calls drags. kidnaps; bye all 08/12/2008 17:50:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: It sounds very interesting but I don't know about that stuff yet. 08/12/2008 17:50:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: When you commit a text change, all the other components have to update in case your change made a difference (e.g. new term name) 08/12/2008 17:50:17 PM from midori to All Attendees: bye harold 08/12/2008 17:50:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: by Hurdil 08/12/2008 17:50:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: oh 08/12/2008 17:50:33 PM from Amina to All Attendees: bye Harold 08/12/2008 17:50:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: for a def change I suppose that is really unnecessary 08/12/2008 17:51:14 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: mdiori, a few minutes ago you said you were renaming your config dir--did it fix your dbxref library problem? 08/12/2008 17:51:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Jen, the problem is that it just registers as a text commit; it's not so fine-grained that it tells all the other components exactly what changed in the text edit. 08/12/2008 17:51:42 PM from midori to All Attendees: For one edit, it did. Then I changed the font, and the probelm is back. 08/12/2008 17:51:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: So strange. 08/12/2008 17:52:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Can you send me those two config dirs--the one where it works and the one where it doesn't? 08/12/2008 17:52:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I did notice that the dbxref problem got worse after a period of editing. 08/12/2008 17:52:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: It was the precursor to the app going totally mad. 08/12/2008 17:52:45 PM from midori to All Attendees: It doesn't seem to matter what I change it to -- anything big enough to read is buggy. I'll also try changing something else first (tho that'll make me grumble abou tthe tiny type). 08/12/2008 17:53:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I can't imagine that what you change the font to matters. 08/12/2008 17:53:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I'll try this too, with the font I mean. 08/12/2008 17:53:13 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: BTW, if other people routinely change the font, we can choose a new default font. 08/12/2008 17:53:22 PM from midori to All Attendees: That's why I'm going to try changing something else now ... 08/12/2008 17:53:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I don't mind which size or anything. 08/12/2008 17:53:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: You could make it bigger if that would help. 08/12/2008 17:54:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm happy to make it bigger if people want. 08/12/2008 17:54:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I do notch it up to 14 now I think of it. 08/12/2008 17:55:06 PM from Karen to All Attendees: I like the font size as is, so there's probably no default that will make everyone happy 08/12/2008 17:55:09 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Which font is this? How do you change it? 08/12/2008 17:55:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: It's in the configuration manager. 08/12/2008 17:55:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: there's just one control 08/12/2008 17:55:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, so it's the general font size 08/12/2008 17:55:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yes 08/12/2008 17:55:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I can try changing that and see if I get the dbxref library bug (though you have changed the font w/o seeing that bug, right Jen?) 08/12/2008 17:56:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: no actually I see it too now. 08/12/2008 17:56:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Aha 08/12/2008 17:56:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I put the font up to 18 and the bug is back 08/12/2008 17:56:43 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Do you use the dbxref library docked or undocked? 08/12/2008 17:56:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: also the computer is making a noise like a hairdryer 08/12/2008 17:56:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: docked 08/12/2008 17:56:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: well spotted Midori. 08/12/2008 17:57:05 PM from midori to All Attendees: I've seen the bug with it docked or undocked. 08/12/2008 17:57:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: When I ask it to add a dbxref now it adds it but the second time it doesn't then the hairdryer kicks in. 08/12/2008 17:58:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: After that, further attempts to add dbxrefs just make other pre-existing ones disappear. 08/12/2008 17:58:16 PM from midori to All Attendees: yep, that's the beast. 08/12/2008 17:58:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: great :-) 08/12/2008 17:58:27 PM from midori to All Attendees: glad I wasn't just imagining it :P 08/12/2008 17:58:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Aha! I just changed my font and now I can add 2 dbxrefs but not a third! 08/12/2008 17:58:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: clicking the + button does not make them reappear this time. 08/12/2008 17:58:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: So weird, why would the font matter?? 08/12/2008 17:58:56 PM from midori to All Attendees: It oughta get fixed, no matter what we end up using as the default font. 08/12/2008 17:58:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, good, now I can reproduce the problem, so I can try to fix it. 08/12/2008 17:59:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: maybe it doesn't like to redraw big text :-) 08/12/2008 17:59:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: BTW, did you like my fix in the dbxref text editor where tab and return do what you'd think they should do? 08/12/2008 17:59:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: my computer is still going nuts 08/12/2008 17:59:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Mine's doing the hairdryer, too. 08/12/2008 17:59:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: brilliant yes! 08/12/2008 17:59:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: very good. 08/12/2008 17:59:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: the hairdryer is a feature I think. 08/12/2008 17:59:44 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I know what it's doing--for some reason, it gets in an infinite loop trying to redraw the dbxref table. 08/12/2008 17:59:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: handwarming. 08/12/2008 17:59:51 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Attendees: Watching this sounds just like a narration of the spotting of a member of an endangered species. 08/12/2008 17:59:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: :-) 08/12/2008 18:00:05 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I saw this before and "fixed" it (so I thought) by changing the spacing between dbxrefs. 08/12/2008 18:00:12 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I think this could be an actual Java bug. 08/12/2008 18:00:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: *Gosh* 08/12/2008 18:00:31 PM from midori to All Attendees: It's not just size; I just changed typeface but stuck with 12pt, and got symptoms. 08/12/2008 18:00:32 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: We should catch it in a jar and bring it to the natural history museum. :-) 08/12/2008 18:00:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: 'jar' ho ho ho 08/12/2008 18:01:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: midori, it seems like anything that causes changes to the layout of the dbxref table can cause this bug to appear or disappear. 08/12/2008 18:01:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: does that mean that you get to put in a bug report? 08/12/2008 18:01:21 PM from midori to All Attendees: or reopen the old one ... 08/12/2008 18:01:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It doesn't make sense to me that the table cell renderer is called over and over like that, and it didn't seem like it was anything OE was doing--it was Swing doing it. 08/12/2008 18:01:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'll reopen the old one. It's the same bug. 08/12/2008 18:01:43 PM from midori to All Attendees: thanks 08/12/2008 18:02:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I meant a sun bug report, but great. 08/12/2008 18:02:19 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh 08/12/2008 18:02:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I don't have it to that point yet. 08/12/2008 18:02:57 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Are we done for today? 08/12/2008 18:03:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: should we delete the config directory to fix this? My computer is getting very worked up. 08/12/2008 18:03:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Jus tone question. 08/12/2008 18:03:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: did you get my graphviz email? 08/12/2008 18:03:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes 08/12/2008 18:03:20 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will answer it 08/12/2008 18:03:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: great 08/12/2008 18:03:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: thanks. 08/12/2008 18:03:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I'm done then. :-) 08/12/2008 18:03:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: Thanks for all the brilliant work on application speed. 08/12/2008 18:03:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It's fine with me if you commit your new feature in Graphviz, Jen. 08/12/2008 18:03:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: great, thanks. I'll do that. 08/12/2008 18:04:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Bye? 08/12/2008 18:04:07 PM from midori to All Attendees: I've got a question about the "cycles" that we've been discussing on account of the missing-arrow bug report. 08/12/2008 18:04:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: bye :-) 08/12/2008 18:04:11 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh! Yes? 08/12/2008 18:04:35 PM from midori to All Attendees: Yes, -- it's in the bug report too, but I thought I'd bring it up if we have a minute o r two. 08/12/2008 18:04:40 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Sure 08/12/2008 18:05:24 PM from midori to All Attendees: It's this: why does the "cycle" appearance -- whether it's the old missing arrows, or the new greyed-out terms -- only show up when I use the Parent Editor to delete a parent? 08/12/2008 18:06:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I don't know. 08/12/2008 18:06:27 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will look into that. 08/12/2008 18:06:29 PM from midori to All Attendees: If I just browse in the OTE, I just see 'disjoint_from' text icons in front of terms that don't have the '+' to expand children (which makes sense). 08/12/2008 18:06:47 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Right, I made it stop showing the +s for disjoint_from relations 08/12/2008 18:06:55 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: You don't really want ot see their children. 08/12/2008 18:07:06 PM from midori to All Attendees: If I add or delete a relationship in the OTE, it basically stays the same. 08/12/2008 18:07:19 PM from midori to All Attendees: Correct, we don't want to see the children. 08/12/2008 18:07:43 PM from midori to All Attendees: If I add a parent in the parent editor, again, it continues to look normal. 08/12/2008 18:07:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will investigate. 08/12/2008 18:08:24 PM from midori to All Attendees: It's only when I delete a relationship using the parent editor that the OTE display goes haywire. Makes it hard to use the parent editor -- and otherwise I'd be a big fan of using it. 08/12/2008 18:08:28 PM from midori to All Attendees: thanks 08/12/2008 18:08:46 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Can someone save this chat? For some reason, WebEx let me save it earlier but won't now. 08/12/2008 18:08:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: I can try 08/12/2008 18:08:54 PM from Amina to All Attendees: I'll do it Nomi 08/12/2008 18:08:57 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Thanks