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12/13/2007 17:28:39 PM from midori to All Attendees: hi 12/13/2007 17:28:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: hi 12/13/2007 17:28:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: how's it going? 12/13/2007 17:29:19 PM from midori to All Attendees: not too bad 12/13/2007 17:29:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: good. me too. Much less the zombie today 12/13/2007 17:29:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Hi Nomi 12/13/2007 17:29:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Hi! 12/13/2007 17:29:59 PM from Harold to All Participants: hey 12/13/2007 17:30:05 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Wow, you guys are so prompt! 12/13/2007 17:30:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Hi Harold 12/13/2007 17:30:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:30:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: We may secretly be swiss 12/13/2007 17:30:33 PM from midori to All Participants: welcome to the first post-John chat! 12/13/2007 17:30:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: likewise! 12/13/2007 17:30:48 PM from Harold to All Participants: A moment of silence for remembrance... 12/13/2007 17:30:57 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Sigh... 12/13/2007 17:30:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: John answered a developer mail about ten minutes ago 12/13/2007 17:31:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so he must still exist 12/13/2007 17:31:07 PM from Harold to All Participants: on another plane 12/13/2007 17:31:11 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I saw that! I'm hping maybe he'll show up here, but unlikely. 12/13/2007 17:31:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:31:14 PM from midori to All Participants: that's a relief 12/13/2007 17:31:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:31:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Maybe he will leave us to bond anew 12/13/2007 17:31:37 PM from midori to All Participants: (that he exists, that is ...) 12/13/2007 17:31:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Let Nomi practise he one-liners 12/13/2007 17:31:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 12/13/2007 17:31:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: he may have set an email cron job 12/13/2007 17:32:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: google supposedly lets people work one day a week on an academic project 12/13/2007 17:32:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I have my fingers crossed 12/13/2007 17:32:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: not very hopefully though 12/13/2007 17:32:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, the "80/20" thing, which my friends who work at Google refer to as the "120" thing 12/13/2007 17:32:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:33:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that's how it is in my life too 12/13/2007 17:33:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:33:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: How long should we wait for stragglers? 12/13/2007 17:33:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we could start 12/13/2007 17:33:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok 12/13/2007 17:34:10 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm working from home today. If I suddenly start typing gibberish, it's probably my cat walking across my keyboard. 12/13/2007 17:34:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great :-) 12/13/2007 17:34:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me too 12/13/2007 17:34:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no cat though. that's just my typing 12/13/2007 17:34:42 PM from midori to All Participants: I'm in much the same situation myself (tho at the moment the cat seems to be napping) 12/13/2007 17:34:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Anyway, a big thank you to Jen for writing a bunch of documentation and making screenshots! 12/13/2007 17:35:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: any time 12/13/2007 17:35:03 PM from midori to All Participants: <cheer> 12/13/2007 17:35:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yay! 12/13/2007 17:35:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: And thanks to Midori for signing up to write about the hotkey system. 12/13/2007 17:35:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Ooooooo! 12/13/2007 17:35:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It looks like most of the major topics have been covered. 12/13/2007 17:36:03 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Can anyone write about the new search system? 12/13/2007 17:36:09 PM from midori to All Participants: I haven't done much yet ... I'm not quite sure it's even working in beta25, but I have yet to delete the .oboeditbeta folder from b24. 12/13/2007 17:36:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: may I ask later about he html thing? 12/13/2007 17:36:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can write about the searcn 12/13/2007 17:36:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: h 12/13/2007 17:36:37 PM from midori to All Participants: (the hotkeys, I mean ... search is fine, for what I've tried so farl) 12/13/2007 17:36:37 PM from Erika to All Participants: Hello all! Sorry I am late! 12/13/2007 17:36:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: What I usually do is rename the .oboeditbeta folder so I can pull stuff out of it later if needed. 12/13/2007 17:36:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Hi Erika, we just started. 12/13/2007 17:36:53 PM from midori to All Participants: same here 12/13/2007 17:37:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall I do the search tomorrow? 12/13/2007 17:37:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think it's quite straightforward 12/13/2007 17:37:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I have been starting to go through the OE userguide and fix stuff that's out of date. 12/13/2007 17:37:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great 12/13/2007 17:37:38 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Sure, if you want to do it tomorrow, please feel free! 12/13/2007 17:37:42 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No huge rush, though. 12/13/2007 17:37:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: a lot of what I've been writing ahs been building on that so it's very much needed 12/13/2007 17:37:56 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm not going to be able to finish the userguide before Christmas. 12/13/2007 17:38:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: writing oboedit docs is easy on the brain 12/13/2007 17:38:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: as a change I mean 12/13/2007 17:38:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no it's a lot of work 12/13/2007 17:38:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that's fine 12/13/2007 17:38:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm only supposed to be part-time at LBNL, and some of my time is being diverted by other projects (such as Apollo). 12/13/2007 17:38:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cool! 12/13/2007 17:38:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I have no idea what that is 12/13/2007 17:38:45 PM from midori to All Participants: oh good ... relieves pressure on the rest of us too 12/13/2007 17:39:05 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Does anyone understand the Annotation Summary Component? 12/13/2007 17:39:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nope 12/13/2007 17:39:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: not a sausage 12/13/2007 17:39:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I thought there was meant to be an annotation compopnent 12/13/2007 17:39:30 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I know you don't, Jen, since you put a note on the wiki page saying that. 12/13/2007 17:39:35 PM from midori to All Participants: barely even heard of it 12/13/2007 17:39:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:39:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Maybe it's not finished yet. 12/13/2007 17:39:43 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: We can ask John. 12/13/2007 17:39:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I thought there was meant to be an annotation component that maybe complimented this 12/13/2007 17:39:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but I wasn't sure 12/13/2007 17:39:58 PM from midori to All Participants: Chris might know too 12/13/2007 17:39:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Beats me! 12/13/2007 17:40:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, Chris might know. Today and tomorrow he's at a meeting at Stanford, though. 12/13/2007 17:40:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I bet there's a prize if we figure it out 12/13/2007 17:40:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Woohoo! 12/13/2007 17:40:46 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: So I think we have things under control in terms of documentation. 12/13/2007 17:40:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It will just take some time to get it all done. 12/13/2007 17:40:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:41:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Any other issues/questions/comments before we move on? 12/13/2007 17:41:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: (I mean issues about documentation) 12/13/2007 17:41:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: can people make sure they write on the wiki which bits they're doing? 12/13/2007 17:41:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: this time of year is good for documentation 12/13/2007 17:41:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, please. 12/13/2007 17:41:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so it would be handy to know which bits are not done 12/13/2007 17:41:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Santa likes people who write documentation. 12/13/2007 17:41:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: also shoudl we put docs straight into the source tre? 12/13/2007 17:42:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: John got us to do that before 12/13/2007 17:42:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but I've never done it before 12/13/2007 17:42:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Put docs into the source tree? Like into src? 12/13/2007 17:42:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes Jane used to do that a bit 12/13/2007 17:42:34 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Or do you just mean into the subversion repository? 12/13/2007 17:42:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 12/13/2007 17:42:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes one of those. :-) 12/13/2007 17:42:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I don't know Jane. 12/13/2007 17:42:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: wherever it lives 12/13/2007 17:42:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Jane is on maternity leave 12/13/2007 17:43:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: she'll be back soon 12/13/2007 17:43:12 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Would you prefer to commit documentation into docs/html rather than sending it to me? 12/13/2007 17:43:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It's fine if you want to do that; I just need to know so that I make sure to commit my changes 12/13/2007 17:43:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it might be good for when we just want to add little bits or edit little bits so we don't have to send long stories 12/13/2007 17:43:39 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: (which I wasn't doing incrementally). 12/13/2007 17:43:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that's really why I wondered 12/13/2007 17:43:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Sure, sounds reasonable. I need to get on the svn commits mailing list. 12/13/2007 17:43:58 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (sorry I'm late - and as usual I'll have to leave at 10) 12/13/2007 17:44:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it woudl also mean that I'd know what's already there so I can links stuff in and take into account what's already written 12/13/2007 17:44:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Hi Tanya, this should be a short meeting. 12/13/2007 17:44:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me too, I'm not on it either 12/13/2007 17:44:30 PM from midori to All Participants: If I recall correctly, some of us committed changes to docs/html back when it was CVS ... in principle, I can do either, and which way I prefer in practice might depend on how much I have to do, and on which parts. 12/13/2007 17:44:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Midori what do you think? 12/13/2007 17:44:31 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Does anyone know offhand how to get on the commits mailing list? 12/13/2007 17:44:38 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: If not, I can find out. 12/13/2007 17:44:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: you have to be a sourceforge admin 12/13/2007 17:44:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Midori, by "do either" you mean commit html vs. mail text to me? 12/13/2007 17:45:13 PM from midori to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:45:15 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I had suggested mailing stuff to me because I know some people find it an energy barrier to have to make their text nice and deal with the html, 12/13/2007 17:45:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: but if you guys are comfortable editing and committing the html, all the better! 12/13/2007 17:45:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wasn't really planning to go that far 12/13/2007 17:45:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:45:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: editing is fine 12/13/2007 17:45:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nice may be harder 12/13/2007 17:45:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 17:46:01 PM from midori to All Participants: That's exactly vhat I think would depend on the size and complexity of the documentation. 12/13/2007 17:46:01 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I can always touch stuff up as needed. 12/13/2007 17:46:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I really just meant for when we want to amend stuff later or fold bits in 12/13/2007 17:46:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Right. 12/13/2007 17:46:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and know what's already there 12/13/2007 17:46:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good 12/13/2007 17:46:28 PM from midori to All Participants: I suspect for hotkeys there will be a lot of updating existing pages, and maybe not so much creating new pages. 12/13/2007 17:46:30 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I've known people who don't want to commit anything until it's perfect. 12/13/2007 17:46:36 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm glad to hear that you guys don't suffer from that hangup. 12/13/2007 17:46:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nope :-) 12/13/2007 17:46:42 PM from midori to All Participants: I'm not one of them ;) 12/13/2007 17:46:47 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Great. 12/13/2007 17:46:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm not sure stuff's ever perfect 12/13/2007 17:47:01 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will have limited time online today and tomorrow, but O 12/13/2007 17:47:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: (oops) 12/13/2007 17:47:09 PM from Erika to All Participants: I would love to contribute to documentation but 12/13/2007 17:47:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'll try to commit the stuff Jen sent me and commit my changes 12/13/2007 17:47:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: so that you guys can start committing directly to the repository. 12/13/2007 17:47:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great :-) 12/13/2007 17:47:30 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will send out a note when that's done. 12/13/2007 17:47:47 PM from Erika to All Participants: I would love to contribute to documentation but my English is not perfect and I am writing my PhD thesis at the mmoment 12/13/2007 17:47:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: It might not be until Monday, though. 12/13/2007 17:47:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Best stick with the thesis Erika. :-) 12/13/2007 17:47:52 PM from midori to All Participants: ok; for my part I'll try to spare some time to do the documentation I signed up for! 12/13/2007 17:48:05 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No worries, Erika. I think we have most of it covered. 12/13/2007 17:48:29 PM from Erika to All Participants: I would like to follow your discussion 12/13/2007 17:48:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: you're welcome to do that. 12/13/2007 17:48:43 PM from Harold to All Participants: I appear to have found a new bug, but wasn't sure if it was or not. Now I am. I'll put it in Sf; Involves loading mutlipel ontologies 12/13/2007 17:49:02 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ugh, sounds icky, Harold. 12/13/2007 17:49:02 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: If it's useful, I can volunteer to proofread/try out the documentation to see if I can follow the directions and get the expected result. 12/13/2007 17:49:09 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Tanya, that would be great. 12/13/2007 17:49:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: We'll let you know when we're at that stage. 12/13/2007 17:49:17 PM from midori to All Participants: seconded! 12/13/2007 17:49:52 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, any other bad bugs? 12/13/2007 17:49:56 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (micro-note: I'm on holiday from Dec.19 and back on Jan. 7th) 12/13/2007 17:50:24 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: Did I miss something earlier about the deadline for docs to be ready? 12/13/2007 17:50:34 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will be away after Dec 21, back briefly Jan 2-3, and then pretty much offline the second week of Jan. 12/13/2007 17:50:42 PM from midori to All Participants: I'm away Dec. 19-Jan 2 or 3. 12/13/2007 17:50:51 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No specific deadline, Tanya; I just said that it won't be finished before Xmas. 12/13/2007 17:51:30 PM from midori to All Participants: I'll just keep putting bugs in SF as I find them. Not much from me just now -- after the last bouts of testing I needed to do something else for a while. 12/13/2007 17:51:37 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok. 12/13/2007 17:51:49 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Jen, did you have something you wanted to discuss about html, or did we already cover that? 12/13/2007 17:51:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh yes 12/13/2007 17:52:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I just wondered if anybody knew what the html welcome message thing was for 12/13/2007 17:52:23 PM from Harold to All Participants: argh I just confirmed my "bug" is also in 1.101 also 12/13/2007 17:52:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the configurable message sorry 12/13/2007 17:52:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I missed that chat 12/13/2007 17:53:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Configurable message? 12/13/2007 17:53:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes it's a feature 12/13/2007 17:53:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: um hang on... 12/13/2007 17:53:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: [view]->[show] 12/13/2007 17:53:59 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: You mean, the plugin John added right before he left that puts up a picture of him with a funny quote when you start OE? 12/13/2007 17:54:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: [misc]->]configurablemessage] 12/13/2007 17:54:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no I don't think so 12/13/2007 17:54:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's a whole thing in it's own right 12/13/2007 17:54:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: in the application 12/13/2007 17:54:34 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh. I don't know, but I will see what I can find out. 12/13/2007 17:54:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wondered if it was to make a message appear to help specific new user groups 12/13/2007 17:54:53 PM from midori to All Participants: no, the configurable message creates a panel that jsut contains ... wait for it ... the message you configure. 12/13/2007 17:54:56 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I have been pulling down the saved chat transcripts and going through them. 12/13/2007 17:54:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:55:03 PM from midori to All Participants: I think John suggested using it for demos ... 12/13/2007 17:55:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 12/13/2007 17:55:14 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ah, so it's just a little whiteboard? 12/13/2007 17:55:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 12/13/2007 17:55:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'll make sure I add it to the documentation. 12/13/2007 17:55:24 PM from midori to All Participants: basically, yes. 12/13/2007 17:55:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wondered if I was missing something but it seams I'm not 12/13/2007 17:55:32 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (Can I ask a quick question about a merge bug David and I ran into the other day?) 12/13/2007 17:55:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I sent docs Nomi, saying basically what's been said 12/13/2007 17:55:49 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (in 1.101) 12/13/2007 17:55:56 PM from midori to All Participants: Tanya - fine by me 12/13/2007 17:56:04 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: So, we merged two terms 12/13/2007 17:56:09 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: and one of them was a replaced_by 12/13/2007 17:56:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Yay! 12/13/2007 17:56:14 PM from Harold to All Participants: Has anyone also noticed the "garbage" panel ? 12/13/2007 17:56:17 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: suggestion for another still live term 12/13/2007 17:56:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:56:24 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: but the replaced_by tag in that term 12/13/2007 17:56:33 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: did not get updated by the new merged into id 12/13/2007 17:56:37 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (if that makes sense) 12/13/2007 17:56:45 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: so when we tried to reload the ontology 12/13/2007 17:56:53 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: it failed 12/13/2007 17:57:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Did you submit a bug report, Tanya? I'm afraid the chances of fixing bugs in v1.* are not high. Does OE2 exhibit the same bug? 12/13/2007 17:57:17 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: That's the question I had. 12/13/2007 17:57:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: there's a similar bug in obomerge 12/13/2007 17:57:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: And Harold, did you see John's response about the Garbage panels? 12/13/2007 17:57:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: in oboedit 2 12/13/2007 17:57:27 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: Has anyone seen this behavior in 2? 12/13/2007 17:57:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes I have 12/13/2007 17:57:41 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: OK 12/13/2007 17:57:46 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: have you reported the bug Jen? 12/13/2007 17:57:50 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: If not, I will. 12/13/2007 17:57:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I did the text file by hand for the cardio commit 12/13/2007 17:58:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 17:58:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I don't think it was fixed but I can check 12/13/2007 17:58:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: what it was ... 12/13/2007 17:58:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Maybe Chris can look into this. I'm afraid I don't have the necessary expertise to fix that kind of bug. 12/13/2007 17:58:41 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: ok, thanks for that 12/13/2007 17:58:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: never mind 12/13/2007 17:58:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's in SF 12/13/2007 17:58:55 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: cool 12/13/2007 17:59:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: What's in SF? 12/13/2007 17:59:14 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: the bug 12/13/2007 17:59:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: my version of the bug 12/13/2007 17:59:17 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok. 12/13/2007 17:59:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Anything else before you need to go, Tanya? 12/13/2007 17:59:27 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: no, that's it 12/13/2007 17:59:34 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: thanks for just letting me barge in with my question 12/13/2007 17:59:43 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: No problem, it wasn't barging. 12/13/2007 17:59:55 PM from midori to All Participants: that's what this group is for :) 12/13/2007 18:00:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm losing track, did we answer Jen's html thing or did we get diverted by Tanya's bug report? 12/13/2007 18:00:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm sorted 12/13/2007 18:00:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Cool. 12/13/2007 18:00:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'll try to take a look at the Garbage thing, but it probably won't be this week. 12/13/2007 18:00:45 PM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: (and I'm off-happy holidays everyone!) 12/13/2007 18:00:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Happy Solstice! 12/13/2007 18:01:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Any other bugs that are high priority? 12/13/2007 18:01:18 PM from midori to All Participants: John thought he'd fixed the garbage thing ... but I guess not if you're still seeing 'em. I'll check again too when I get back to testing. 12/13/2007 18:01:28 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Oh, one of our users is having trouble launching OE2 recently. 12/13/2007 18:01:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I put in a couple of bug reports but they're in sourceforge 12/13/2007 18:01:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: He complains that he's just getting a blue screen and can't add views, even after removing is .oboeditbeta. 12/13/2007 18:01:55 PM from midori to All Participants: I'll have another go at hotkeys. If I can't figure out how to get them working as advertised, there'll be a bug report. 12/13/2007 18:02:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I will forward his messages to the list in case anyone has seen this problem and knows what to do. 12/13/2007 18:02:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Since other people seem to be running the latest OE2 beta successfully, I think this user must have something messed up in his config files or something. 12/13/2007 18:02:37 PM from midori to All Participants: There's also David Sutherland's global selection bug -- which I can't reproduce. 12/13/2007 18:02:55 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Was David S. definitely using the latest version? 12/13/2007 18:03:08 PM from Erika to All Participants: I had this problem with one of the previous OE2 beta verison 12/13/2007 18:03:12 PM from midori to All Participants: hang on, lemme look 12/13/2007 18:03:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the id fixer is also not working much at all 12/13/2007 18:03:29 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Harold seems to have cloned himself. 12/13/2007 18:03:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but that would be grouped with tanya's merge bug I guess 12/13/2007 18:03:44 PM from Harold to All Participants: Just found my bug: it was in one of the ontology files not in the program 12/13/2007 18:03:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ah, good. 12/13/2007 18:03:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that means his browser crashed 12/13/2007 18:04:11 PM from midori to All Participants: DS says it was beta25 ... https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1846165&grou p_id36855&atid418257 12/13/2007 18:04:19 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Erika, by "this problem" do you mean the blue window? 12/13/2007 18:05:04 PM from Erika to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 18:05:10 PM from midori to All Participants: for Harold - SF bug report on garbage: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1844184&grou p_id36855&atid418257 12/13/2007 18:05:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Jen, it's probably worth filing a separate bug report about the ID fixer, even if you think it's due to the merge bug. Maybe it isn't. 12/13/2007 18:05:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's in SF 12/13/2007 18:05:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1849447&grou p_id36855&atid418257 12/13/2007 18:05:41 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The blue window problem went away for you with the next beta release? 12/13/2007 18:05:50 PM from Erika to All Participants: but then John fixed the problem in the next beta release 12/13/2007 18:05:54 PM from Erika to All Participants: yes 12/13/2007 18:06:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Chris, the blue screen sufferer, says he's using b25. 12/13/2007 18:06:12 PM from Harold to All Participants: obviously not fixed in 22! 12/13/2007 18:06:13 PM from Erika to All Participants: so I have no idea about how to fix it 12/13/2007 18:06:22 PM from Harold to All Participants: I just close it 12/13/2007 18:06:34 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I wonder if maybe he didn't really manage to update and is somehow still running an old version. 12/13/2007 18:06:39 PM from Erika to All Participants: usually if you delete .oboeditbeta folder it works 12/13/2007 18:06:42 PM from midori to All Participants: interesting ... I haven't bluescreened for several betas now 12/13/2007 18:06:58 PM from midori to All Participants: deleting .oboeditbeta has done the trick for me too, I guess 12/13/2007 18:07:01 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: He didn't seem to know how to find the text output window. 12/13/2007 18:07:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I think he's on Windows--where does the text output go if you install on Windows? 12/13/2007 18:07:38 PM from Erika to All Participants: oh, i do not really know 12/13/2007 18:07:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's technically a feature but this would be good to fix too:https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?funcdetail&aid1813704& group_id36855&atid418260 12/13/2007 18:08:39 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: That would be good to fix, but it would require some non-trivial work, I think. 12/13/2007 18:08:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Chris could probably do it, but he is rather overcommitted. 12/13/2007 18:08:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Do you think it would be good if we go through and close all the old sourceforge items that are out of date? 12/13/2007 18:09:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I get confused about which are still current and I bet Nomi does too 12/13/2007 18:09:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I assumed they were all still current 12/13/2007 18:09:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oboedit feature requests and bug reports I mean 12/13/2007 18:09:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: John and I talked about doing that 12/13/2007 18:09:41 PM from midori to All Participants: re obomerge: I agree it's important, though - as we're using more of the OBO format v.2 features in GO, it gets harder to corvert a merged file using a separate obo2obo step 12/13/2007 18:09:53 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: The problem is that I need to verify that they are fixed or irrelevant in the current version 12/13/2007 18:10:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it might be easier for the suggesters to close them 12/13/2007 18:10:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: submitters or whatever 12/13/2007 18:10:26 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: That would be great! 12/13/2007 18:10:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good, I'll put that on my list 12/13/2007 18:10:39 PM from midori to All Participants: ok, I'll go through the ones I submitted. 12/13/2007 18:10:44 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: And Jen, if you run across bugs that are fixed/irrelevant, please feel free to close them, 12/13/2007 18:10:48 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: even if they're not yours. 12/13/2007 18:10:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great 12/13/2007 18:10:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: should we apply priority settings? 12/13/2007 18:11:06 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I am still such a clueless OE user that it is not easy for me to reproduce the bugs (or ascertain that they're fixed). 12/13/2007 18:11:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: some of mine are minor quibles and some are really importnat 12/13/2007 18:11:22 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, it would be good to use priorities. Most people don't bother. 12/13/2007 18:11:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok I'll do that 12/13/2007 18:11:34 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Great. 12/13/2007 18:11:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: (lots of nice easy work for the last week ebfore christmas) 12/13/2007 18:11:50 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I wish I could instantly become an OE god like John, but that is just not going to happen. 12/13/2007 18:12:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: You're just fine like this. :-) 12/13/2007 18:12:09 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Aw, thanks. 12/13/2007 18:12:23 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, are we done here? 12/13/2007 18:12:24 PM from midori to All Participants: At least you've got the listen-to-us part down :) 12/13/2007 18:12:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that's what I was thinking 12/13/2007 18:12:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 18:12:46 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Or I do a good job of pretending that I'm listening. 12/13/2007 18:12:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 18:12:54 PM from midori to All Participants: I don't have anything else except: when's the next one of these little gatherings? 12/13/2007 18:13:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh I have one 12/13/2007 18:13:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: quick one 12/13/2007 18:13:11 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Next Thurs most of you are already gone, right? 12/13/2007 18:13:16 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Yes, Jen? 12/13/2007 18:13:22 PM from midori to All Participants: I am (gone, that is) 12/13/2007 18:13:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm here but could happily have an evening off 12/13/2007 18:13:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it was an html in ecplise thing so I could save it to the end 12/13/2007 18:13:54 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Should we move the chat to Wed. and make it really quick? 12/13/2007 18:14:08 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Or are you guys gone Wed. as well? 12/13/2007 18:14:11 PM from Erika to All Participants: I cannot come on Wednesday :-( 12/13/2007 18:14:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I leave next saturday 12/13/2007 18:14:15 PM from midori to All Participants: I'll be gone then too 12/13/2007 18:14:20 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Tues? Or will there be nothing to say? 12/13/2007 18:14:32 PM from Erika to All Participants: Tuesday is fine for me 12/13/2007 18:14:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: any days' fine for me 12/13/2007 18:14:36 PM from midori to All Participants: ... and accordingly fiendishly busy on the monday & tuesday 12/13/2007 18:14:45 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, I'll send out a note about Tues and anyone who wants to can come. 12/13/2007 18:14:50 PM from Erika to All Participants: thanks 12/13/2007 18:14:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 12/13/2007 18:14:52 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: If you miss it, that's ok, Midori. 12/13/2007 18:14:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 18:15:04 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: We'll try to carry on, somehow... 12/13/2007 18:15:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 12/13/2007 18:15:27 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Jen, do you want to discuss your Eclipse/html thing? 12/13/2007 18:15:29 PM from midori to All Participants: I'll see how it goes ... but prepare to soldier on, cos it's not likely I'll make it. 12/13/2007 18:15:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes please 12/13/2007 18:15:43 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I'm listening... 12/13/2007 18:15:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I just wondered how you see the html source of the help docs in eclipse 12/13/2007 18:16:06 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: I haven't tried to do it in Eclipse, I just do it through the shell 12/13/2007 18:16:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: when I click on the files they're all formatted and everything and I can't edit them 12/13/2007 18:16:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 12/13/2007 18:16:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: maybe that's less fun then 12/13/2007 18:16:18 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ah, I guess Eclipse is being all clever about rendering the html 12/13/2007 18:16:33 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: To tell you the truth, I find Eclipse kind of annoying, and have been mostly working via the shell. 12/13/2007 18:16:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh ok 12/13/2007 18:16:52 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Eclipse is useful for debugging, but otherwise it takes more time 12/13/2007 18:17:09 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Anyway, I'll take a look and email you if I discover anything helpful, Jen. 12/13/2007 18:17:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the thing I'm wondering is how we know what docs exist between releases 12/13/2007 18:17:25 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Right, I see what you're saying. 12/13/2007 18:17:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: once we need to link stuff up 12/13/2007 18:17:35 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Well, you know, I could do another beta release next week. 12/13/2007 18:17:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that would help a lot 12/13/2007 18:17:52 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: John showed me how to do it. It might be a good exercise to make sure I'm doing it right. 12/13/2007 18:17:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and then we could see where the gaps are 12/13/2007 18:17:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I am using this doc time to learn to use oboedit 12/13/2007 18:18:06 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok, I'll do that next Mon. 12/13/2007 18:18:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so existing docs will be very useful 12/13/2007 18:18:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks. 12/13/2007 18:18:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: mind you 12/13/2007 18:18:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: if you keep checking in then I can read in eclipse, I just can't write 12/13/2007 18:18:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so I can tell you what I think the links go to which is the main thing 12/13/2007 18:18:58 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Ok 12/13/2007 18:19:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great 12/13/2007 18:19:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll shut up now 12/13/2007 18:19:06 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Bye, all? 12/13/2007 18:19:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: byeeee 12/13/2007 18:19:19 PM from midori to All Participants: I can send the transcript out 12/13/2007 18:19:24 PM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Cool, thanks! 12/13/2007 18:19:37 PM from midori to All Participants: bye! 12/13/2007 18:19:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cheerio