09/13/2007 16:32:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees:
Hi Alex
09/13/2007 16:32:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Hi, everyone.
09/13/2007 16:32:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I wrote to some cns experts
09/13/2007 16:32:47 PM from Erika to All Participants:
Hi John
09/13/2007 16:32:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
our host has arrived! everybody switch to "all participants"
09/13/2007 16:33:04 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Hi All
09/13/2007 16:33:15 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
What did they say?
09/13/2007 16:33:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
nothing yet
09/13/2007 16:33:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
waiting with baited breath though
09/13/2007 16:33:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'm sure all will be well either way though
09/13/2007 16:33:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
how is iceland?
09/13/2007 16:33:59 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I'm trying to have more plasticity with my feelings about these terms!
09/13/2007 16:34:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good luck! A very laudable aim.
09/13/2007 16:34:11 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Sunny today, rainy most others.
09/13/2007 16:34:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ah
09/13/2007 16:34:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Does anyone know if Karen is going to make it this time? If she is, I'll spend a few more seconds trying to get this feature working...
09/13/2007 16:34:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Until she shows up.
09/13/2007 16:34:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
not sure
09/13/2007 16:34:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I haven't heard
09/13/2007 16:34:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Let's give her 3 minutes, then. I'll be back in a moment.
09/13/2007 16:35:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
will there be demos today?
09/13/2007 16:35:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
should I get ready to record
09/13/2007 16:35:28 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I think John is doing some last minute coding.
09/13/2007 16:35:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ah
09/13/2007 16:36:06 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I've been hoping for a B13 since B12 was unusable for me.
09/13/2007 16:36:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
there does seem to be one in the offing
09/13/2007 16:36:24 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
09/13/2007 16:36:30 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
And wreaked all my preferences.
09/13/2007 16:36:45 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
I finally figured out how to get b12 to work.
09/13/2007 16:36:48 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Luckily, I'd saved mine ... but I can't use them.
09/13/2007 16:36:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it starts and loads for me but is a bit batty after that
09/13/2007 16:37:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
how?
09/13/2007 16:37:11 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
But I admit haven't been able to figure out the graph based editing too well.
09/13/2007 16:37:19 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Deleted the .oboeditbeta directory.
09/13/2007 16:37:29 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
For the longest time, I couldn't delete one file therein
09/13/2007 16:37:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we decided the other week not to worry about the graph editor
09/13/2007 16:37:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
john said we can put that to one side to get the rest of the tool out of the door.
09/13/2007 16:37:47 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
turned out that even though I didn't think I had any apps running
09/13/2007 16:37:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
there were some 'zombie' oboedits hanging about
09/13/2007 16:37:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, I'm back. I got the feature working.
09/13/2007 16:38:02 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
that I had to manually kill.
09/13/2007 16:38:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I had that too tanya
09/13/2007 16:38:05 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Anyway...
09/13/2007 16:38:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, shall we get into it?
09/13/2007 16:38:19 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Hi John!
09/13/2007 16:38:22 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Let's GO!
09/13/2007 16:38:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
09/13/2007 16:38:23 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Sure
09/13/2007 16:38:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, first thing: Regarding the need to delete the .oboeditbeta directory...
09/13/2007 16:39:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I know that's annoying, but I don't see a good way around it. Every time I adjust the way the preferences are stored (and this is often necessary when I add a new feature or improve an existing feature), the old .oboeditbeta directory can get...
09/13/2007 16:40:09 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
That's okay, but we need to be warned ahead of time.
09/13/2007 16:40:18 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I second that!
09/13/2007 16:40:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
seriously out of sync. But it is often very difficult to detect that it *has* gotten out of sync. I'm going to need to write a fairly complex tool for porting old .oboeditbeta data. It's pointless to write such a tool until the final release, because -
09/13/2007 16:40:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'd have to rewrite it for each version of the program.
09/13/2007 16:41:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I don't mind deleting mine
09/13/2007 16:41:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
If you'd like, I can make the installer automatically delete your old settings.
09/13/2007 16:41:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'm not even editing with 2.000 yet
09/13/2007 16:41:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be good
09/13/2007 16:41:39 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
The real hassle is restoring everything ...
09/13/2007 16:41:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I don't really have much to restore on 2.000 yet
09/13/2007 16:42:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
is it the dbxrefs?
09/13/2007 16:42:21 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
copying over just the things you suggested didn't work.
09/13/2007 16:43:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Jen - it's everything; f onts, layout, relatinoship iconss, load & save profiles, etc.
09/13/2007 16:43:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Yeah, I know. My attempts to write a porting guide for you made me realize the complexity of this task. That's why I've decided it may be best to just delete your beta settings when you install.
09/13/2007 16:43:20 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(apologies for atrocious typing there)
09/13/2007 16:43:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Yes, one can't get too invested in personalizing the program yet.
09/13/2007 16:43:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that was what I figured
09/13/2007 16:44:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's still quite buggy so we may as well wait until it's more fixed
09/13/2007 16:44:19 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
If I don't change the font I can't use it! (The rest isn't so critical, I know ...)
09/13/2007 16:44:29 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
At least it doesn't screw up the 'official' version when you delete the .oboeditbeta dir
09/13/2007 16:44:33 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
which would be really bad.
09/13/2007 16:44:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can you change the font in the config text file
09/13/2007 16:44:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
might save clicking
09/13/2007 16:45:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
There's another solution, I guess...
09/13/2007 16:45:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I could write a tool that ports OBO-Edit 1.x settings over to OBO-Edit 2.0 - that's easier, because OBO-Edit 1.x settings are stable.
09/13/2007 16:46:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
When you install, OBO-Edit 2 could always re-import your settings.
09/13/2007 16:46:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be good
09/13/2007 16:46:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you could also notch the default font up one.
09/13/2007 16:46:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
oooh, I like it!
09/13/2007 16:46:46 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Just having the load and save profiles would be great.
09/13/2007 16:47:07 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
and the visible font ...
09/13/2007 16:47:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay - I'll do it that way. Then you can maintain your stable settings in OBO-Edit 1.x
09/13/2007 16:47:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(says the broken record ... remember records?)
09/13/2007 16:47:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
A question about fonts, then...
09/13/2007 16:47:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Should I not set the font at all, and just let OBO-Edit use the system default?
09/13/2007 16:48:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I don't really know how to set that
09/13/2007 16:48:16 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
What is the system default though?
09/13/2007 16:48:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you could maybe just make the default bigger
09/13/2007 16:48:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Different on every platform, but it probably looks a lot like the font you're seeing in webex now.
09/13/2007 16:48:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I always adjust it up too
09/13/2007 16:49:32 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
As long as people using the program for the first time don't get an odd display.
09/13/2007 16:49:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
What font size are people using when they reset it in OBO-Edit?
09/13/2007 16:50:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'll just check
09/13/2007 16:50:07 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
(It has to work on all platforms all the time)
09/13/2007 16:50:19 PM from Harold to All Participants:
I'm using 12, but it would also have to do with the users current resolution setting for their display
09/13/2007 16:50:30 PM from Erika to All Participants:
14 size
09/13/2007 16:50:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
12
09/13/2007 16:50:51 PM from Harold to All Participants:
as well as their age 8-)
09/13/2007 16:50:56 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
probably 12
09/13/2007 16:51:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
mine's 14; it also depends on the font, but assuming you only change the size, don't worry about that.
09/13/2007 16:51:16 PM from Erika to All Participants:
if i am working on laptop I use 12
09/13/2007 16:51:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, I'll change the default to be 12. And I'll try to work on the OBO-Edit 1.x settings port.
09/13/2007 16:51:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Next topic, then:
09/13/2007 16:51:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
if you make it 12, I'll be able to read it well enough to change it if I want to ;)
09/13/2007 16:52:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I've plugged the new feature request priorities into my spreadsheet, and bulk editing is now the most popular feature request.
09/13/2007 16:52:53 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Would that cover bulk cross-product editing too, a la Chris' matrix suggestion?
09/13/2007 16:53:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Should we not get the rest of the application bug free before addign more features? I thought you wanted to release quite soon.
09/13/2007 16:53:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'm hamstrung by the difficult problem of being totally unable to reproduce many of the bug reports I'm getting.
09/13/2007 16:53:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
really?
09/13/2007 16:54:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the whole thing seems very buggy to me
09/13/2007 16:54:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
hmm
09/13/2007 16:54:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I replied to a number of your bug reports, Jen. I could only make one of them happen.
09/13/2007 16:54:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh
09/13/2007 16:54:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
But I fixed it immediately.
09/13/2007 16:54:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Thanks :-)
09/13/2007 16:54:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
How can I help with the other ones?
09/13/2007 16:55:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Should I give you more information on them?
09/13/2007 16:55:07 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
A while back you said the movies of bugs in action helped ... should we try to do more of that sort of thing?
09/13/2007 16:55:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I think I need people to bring their bugs to office hours on Monday.
09/13/2007 16:55:32 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Kind of like show 'n' tell
09/13/2007 16:55:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
If we made little movies would that help too?
09/13/2007 16:55:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Office hours are quite short for us as you start as we finish
09/13/2007 16:56:19 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Hmmm ... I'm willing, but it's now difficult for me to make 5-6 pm on Mondays. Can I (or Jen, or both of us) arrange a different time individually?
09/13/2007 16:56:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Movies aren't so helpful. I need to see bugs in action, because I often want to say, "okay, try this now"
09/13/2007 16:56:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ah
09/13/2007 16:56:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes I see
09/13/2007 16:56:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can you get up earlier?
09/13/2007 16:56:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 16:57:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Let's arrange a different time. I can do office hours this Monday starting at 7am my time.
09/13/2007 16:57:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
eek! that's early!
09/13/2007 16:57:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Logan wakes up at 5, usually, so it's not that bad.
09/13/2007 16:57:41 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I'm impressed. But it would work well for us ...
09/13/2007 16:57:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh okay then.
09/13/2007 16:57:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be great
09/13/2007 16:57:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
thanks
09/13/2007 16:58:00 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
ah yes ... you've got the extra-effective style of alarm clock ;)
09/13/2007 16:58:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I will save up some demos
09/13/2007 16:58:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I mean to show at the time
09/13/2007 16:58:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Nice. I'll have a new release out by then, so maybe I'll have fixed some of your problems.
09/13/2007 16:58:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Speaking of demos, on to the next thing...
09/13/2007 16:58:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
great, thanks
09/13/2007 16:58:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I may not have much this coming monday (because of the #%&%# NAR paper) but I'll turn up anyway.
09/13/2007 16:59:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I have plenty to keep us going
09/13/2007 16:59:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Is there anything we want to show/do with OBO-Edit at the consortium meeting?
09/13/2007 16:59:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we could show the funky layout
09/13/2007 16:59:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Are there any features that I need to focus on getting demo-ready for anyone's presentation, or anything like that?
09/13/2007 16:59:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it's nice and it works well
09/13/2007 16:59:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
nothing for me
09/13/2007 17:00:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Well, that was easy, then.
09/13/2007 17:00:12 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
there's a slot on the draft agenda, but no specifics, no it is up to us.
09/13/2007 17:00:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
maybe you could ask chris if you could show the layout in the software talk
09/13/2007 17:00:30 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
... er, "so it's up to us"
09/13/2007 17:00:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
By "layout", do you mean the drag and drop panels?
09/13/2007 17:00:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
09/13/2007 17:00:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
If we've got a slot for demoing, I thought I'd show:
09/13/2007 17:00:52 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Sorry, got to go to other meeting now. Will see the transcripts.
09/13/2007 17:00:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I think they're quite cool
09/13/2007 17:00:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* Layouts
09/13/2007 17:01:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* New search interface
09/13/2007 17:01:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* Graph-based editing
09/13/2007 17:01:19 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Bizarrely, the OEwg talk is listed under Aim 3, which is "annotation across all organisms".
09/13/2007 17:01:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* New text editor
09/13/2007 17:01:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Huh. That is bizarre.
09/13/2007 17:01:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I think the graph based editor may need some work still
09/13/2007 17:01:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but the others are good
09/13/2007 17:01:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Jen - you're right, but I can make it work well enough for a proof of concept demo.
09/13/2007 17:02:01 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
The slot doesn't say demo, but it also doesn't say not demo ... and I think a demo would be a great way to show progress.
09/13/2007 17:02:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ok
09/13/2007 17:02:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I think the graph editor is already useful as a viewer.
09/13/2007 17:02:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Which brings me to today's demo!
09/13/2007 17:02:30 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
<dromroll>
09/13/2007 17:02:37 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
<drumroll>
09/13/2007 17:02:46 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(joke damaged by typo)
09/13/2007 17:02:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 17:03:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I got tired of the terrible performance of the graph animations, and I discovered that the problem was coming from the difficulty in calculating those parent and child lists for every node.
09/13/2007 17:03:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
what do you mean by terrible performance?
09/13/2007 17:03:35 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
They seemed plenty fast for me.
09/13/2007 17:03:53 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The animations were jerky in beta12, because of the way I had to change the graph editor to accomodate filtering.
09/13/2007 17:04:12 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Oh, never got to see that...
09/13/2007 17:04:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
me neither
09/13/2007 17:04:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Anyway, I think the new proposal gives us a cleaner interface and speeds up graph redrawing.
09/13/2007 17:04:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Give me a few secs to prep the screen sharing...
09/13/2007 17:06:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Can you see OBO-Edit?
09/13/2007 17:06:31 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
yep
09/13/2007 17:06:54 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
oops, no, gone agani as soon as I hit send ...
09/13/2007 17:06:57 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
it's hidden behind the WebEx window (yours not mine)
09/13/2007 17:07:09 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The new interface doesn't show any expand collapse controls until you mouse over, and then this is what you see...
09/13/2007 17:07:09 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
comng back now
09/13/2007 17:07:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
now I see it
09/13/2007 17:07:10 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Now it's there.
09/13/2007 17:07:17 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
got it
09/13/2007 17:07:22 PM from Erika to All Participants:
I can see it
09/13/2007 17:07:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
gone again
09/13/2007 17:07:39 PM from melissaH to All Participants:
gone for me too
09/13/2007 17:07:40 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
same here
09/13/2007 17:07:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you might want to minimise the webex window
09/13/2007 17:08:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
or just share oboedit instead of the desktop
09/13/2007 17:08:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
This should work better - I can't minimize it and still type.
09/13/2007 17:08:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
crashed again.
09/13/2007 17:09:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Let me try something else - sigh...
09/13/2007 17:09:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can you report that crash on the webstie when you log out midori?
09/13/2007 17:10:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
are you having trouble there?
09/13/2007 17:10:12 PM from Harold to All Participants:
I keep seeing a black screen pop up
09/13/2007 17:10:23 PM from Erika to All Participants:
black scree for me too
09/13/2007 17:10:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
me too
09/13/2007 17:10:29 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I did too, briefly.
09/13/2007 17:10:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
You shouldn't be seeing anything now - I stopped sharing.
09/13/2007 17:10:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
john is trying to application share but not succeeeding
09/13/2007 17:11:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'm now building and installer and installing OBO-Edit, because Webex can't share OBO-Edit when I run it from my Java editing environment
09/13/2007 17:11:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
(building AN installer)
09/13/2007 17:11:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
true
09/13/2007 17:12:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
what platform are yo on?
09/13/2007 17:12:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
mac os
09/13/2007 17:12:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I thought this worked on the man
09/13/2007 17:12:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
mac
09/13/2007 17:12:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
hmm
09/13/2007 17:12:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I think the problem has to do with the way that WebEx retrieves its window list from the operating system.
09/13/2007 17:12:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
maybe it was wwindows where you could chat and demo at the same time
09/13/2007 17:13:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes tht bit does not work, but there is one platform where you can't chat and demo and another where it is just really really hard.
09/13/2007 17:13:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, here we go.
09/13/2007 17:13:59 PM from Harold to All Participants:
it looked like it was working
09/13/2007 17:14:06 PM from Erika to All Participants:
it is gone now
09/13/2007 17:14:15 PM from Erika to All Participants:
it worked for a sec
09/13/2007 17:14:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I can't type and demo at the same time, so watch for the popup controls as I mouse over terms...
09/13/2007 17:14:26 PM from Erika to All Participants:
ok
09/13/2007 17:15:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Could you see that?
09/13/2007 17:15:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
09/13/2007 17:15:17 PM from Harold to All Participants:
yup
09/13/2007 17:15:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that did seem better
09/13/2007 17:15:21 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Those controls do look easier to find.
09/13/2007 17:15:33 PM from melissaH to All Participants:
Ilike it too
09/13/2007 17:15:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The question is, do you miss not having the at-a-glance information about how many children/parents a node has?
09/13/2007 17:15:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no
09/13/2007 17:15:56 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
no
09/13/2007 17:16:15 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
no; in fact, it was kind of distracting to see if a term had lots of children
09/13/2007 17:16:25 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
... the list would extend past the term bubble.
09/13/2007 17:16:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
in the little dot
09/13/2007 17:16:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you could make it bring up a list of the children
09/13/2007 17:16:43 PM from melissaH to All Participants:
presumably the bottom buttons would be hidden if there was no children?
09/13/2007 17:16:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
if you right click and
09/13/2007 17:16:53 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
then you could choose the one you want
09/13/2007 17:17:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Yeah - you'd only see buttons if they were appropriate.
09/13/2007 17:17:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Jen - I like your idea. If you right-click you'd get a menu like the hide/show menu at the bottom of the regular right-click menu, but with items appropriate to the button you clicked.
09/13/2007 17:17:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
09/13/2007 17:18:06 PM from Erika to All Participants:
good idea, Jen!
09/13/2007 17:18:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be very intuitive I think and would mean we don't suddently get thousands of terms cluttering things up
09/13/2007 17:18:12 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
That would be great
09/13/2007 17:18:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh good
09/13/2007 17:18:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 17:18:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I suppose some lists would be very very big
09/13/2007 17:18:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
whch might be bad
09/13/2007 17:18:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I also thought I'd show some kind of warning on a button (like a little exclamation point, or the icon in red or something) if clicking the button would expand > 10 new terms.
09/13/2007 17:19:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good idea
09/13/2007 17:19:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
in tht case we can use the search to find the term
09/13/2007 17:19:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'd also hide the list of individual terms in a sub-menu, so you'd only see the huge list of terms if you wanted to.
09/13/2007 17:20:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I don't get you
09/13/2007 17:20:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
In the right click menu, the items would be something like:
09/13/2007 17:20:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* Show all children
09/13/2007 17:20:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* Show particular child...
09/13/2007 17:20:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
* Show all descendants...
09/13/2007 17:20:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes that sounds good
09/13/2007 17:20:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The items with a ... after them would bring up a nested menu when you mouse over them.
09/13/2007 17:21:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we'd better start working up our right click muscles
09/13/2007 17:21:27 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
increase their plasticity
09/13/2007 17:21:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
exactly
09/13/2007 17:21:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 17:21:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I guess I'm done. Anything else anyone wants to discuss?
09/13/2007 17:21:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you know in the graph viewer
09/13/2007 17:21:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
editor
09/13/2007 17:22:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
could you possibly make the boxes smaller?
09/13/2007 17:22:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
currently we need to drag the graph around a lot to see what's going on
09/13/2007 17:22:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but it's mostly all box
09/13/2007 17:22:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
not all term
09/13/2007 17:22:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Do you want the boxes to be sized so that they're just bigger than the text?
09/13/2007 17:22:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes please
09/13/2007 17:22:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
it cuts down on dragging and that's good
09/13/2007 17:23:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
like in the normal dag edotr
09/13/2007 17:23:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
editori
09/13/2007 17:23:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh dear
09/13/2007 17:23:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can't spell
09/13/2007 17:23:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I can work on that.
09/13/2007 17:23:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so everything is very concenced
09/13/2007 17:23:31 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
sed
09/13/2007 17:23:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ta
09/13/2007 17:23:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Are you having a stroke?
09/13/2007 17:23:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
09/13/2007 17:24:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
hunger..... need cheese
09/13/2007 17:24:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'll do my best to make the display more concencedsedta
09/13/2007 17:24:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be most kind.
09/13/2007 17:24:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 17:25:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
can't type for laughing now
09/13/2007 17:25:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, if you have bugs, please show up to the extended office hours on Monay. I'll be open from 7-11:00 mountain time.
09/13/2007 17:25:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
will do
09/13/2007 17:25:31 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I thought the 'ta' was as in 'thanks' ... so the display only has to be concencedsed.
09/13/2007 17:25:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes that's right
09/13/2007 17:25:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
09/13/2007 17:25:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
That's much simpler, then.
09/13/2007 17:25:50 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
See you at office hours, then.
09/13/2007 17:25:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
see you then
09/13/2007 17:26:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
See you there. Bye, everyone.
09/13/2007 17:26:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Someone save the chat please
09/13/2007 17:26:04 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
bye
09/13/2007 17:26:05 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
bye
09/13/2007 17:26:06 PM from Erika to All Participants:
Bye
09/13/2007 17:26:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'll save it.
09/13/2007 17:26:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I'll save the chat