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09/16/2008 09:26:31 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi 09/16/2008 09:26:37 AM from David OS: Hi Nomi 09/16/2008 09:26:53 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi, Karen 09/16/2008 09:27:44 AM from Amina: Hi Everyone 09/16/2008 09:27:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Hey, midori 09/16/2008 09:28:19 AM from Karen: Hi all 09/16/2008 09:28:34 AM from Nomi Harris: You guys are so amazingly prompt. 09/16/2008 09:29:19 AM from David OS: Occasionally prompt might be a more apt description of me 09/16/2008 09:29:34 AM from JenDeegan: Hi 09/16/2008 09:29:49 AM from midori: Hi 09/16/2008 09:29:58 AM from Amina: Hi Jen and Midori 09/16/2008 09:30:05 AM from JenDeegan: Good meeting midori? 09/16/2008 09:30:14 AM from Amina: Agenda items for today? 09/16/2008 09:30:18 AM from midori: amazing and occasional are not mutually exclusive ;) 09/16/2008 09:30:48 AM from JenDeegan: I don't think I have anything. 09/16/2008 09:30:58 AM from David OS: amazingly I was prompt 09/16/2008 09:31:05 AM from Nomi Harris: I just sent you mail about the memory setting. 09/16/2008 09:31:25 AM from Nomi Harris: I don't know why the installer wants to set it so high--does that computer have a lot of memory? 09/16/2008 09:31:29 AM from JenDeegan: Yes thanks, I'll do that tomorrow. 09/16/2008 09:31:37 AM from JenDeegan: yes 3.5 G 09/16/2008 09:32:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Anyway, I forgot to mention that in the meantime, users can simply manually set the memory down a bit in the installer. 09/16/2008 09:32:24 AM from Nomi Harris: I know no one ever does that, but it is possible. 09/16/2008 09:32:24 AM from JenDeegan: yes that's very true 09/16/2008 09:32:32 AM from JenDeegan: good point 09/16/2008 09:32:44 AM from David OS: Ahh - that sounds familiar. My linux box has 6G and the installer always defaults to the max - while telling me that Java can't deal with more than 2. What's the fix? 09/16/2008 09:32:56 AM from JenDeegan: !? 09/16/2008 09:33:00 AM from JenDeegan: that's a lot of RAM 09/16/2008 09:33:01 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm working with Jen to find the max that works and make the installer limit it to that. 09/16/2008 09:33:25 AM from Nomi Harris: The max for java is 2048M, so I tried setting it to that, which works for me, but doesn't work for Jen. 09/16/2008 09:33:26 AM from Amina: The memory allocation can be manually set in the configuration manager 09/16/2008 09:33:45 AM from Nomi Harris: Amina, if it's set too high when you install OE, you can't even start up OE to get at the config manager. 09/16/2008 09:34:08 AM from Amina: Right 09/16/2008 09:34:22 AM from Nomi Harris: So I'm going to make sure the installer doesn't let you pick a setting that is too high. 09/16/2008 09:34:30 AM from Nomi Harris: Apparently 2048M is too high on Windows. 09/16/2008 09:34:40 AM from David OS: It doesn't seem to matter what I set it too while installing - the installet always defaults to the max system memory when I install the next version 09/16/2008 09:34:52 AM from David OS: 2048 is fine on linux 09/16/2008 09:34:53 AM from JenDeegan: on the plus side it means that one of our other EBI people is now testing the beta version. 09/16/2008 09:34:54 AM from Harold: Mine appears to grab 50% of the total memory 09/16/2008 09:35:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes, that will be good, Jen. 09/16/2008 09:35:11 AM from Nomi Harris: Harold, at least it's not 100%. 09/16/2008 09:35:18 AM from JenDeegan: :-) 09/16/2008 09:35:51 AM from midori: mine usually suggests around 2/3 of what the machine has 09/16/2008 09:36:18 AM from Nomi Harris: In the installer code, it suggests 80% of what you have. 09/16/2008 09:36:27 AM from Nomi Harris: Maybe that's a bit high. 09/16/2008 09:36:50 AM from JenDeegan: does that mean that some of Harold's ram is broken? 09/16/2008 09:36:56 AM from Nomi Harris: I don't know. 09/16/2008 09:36:58 AM from David OS: Can you set it to max out at the max java can cope with? 09/16/2008 09:37:01 AM from midori: the suggestions have been fine for me 09/16/2008 09:37:05 AM from JenDeegan: if it's picking 50 of what he think he has when it should be picking 80%? 09/16/2008 09:37:06 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes, David, that's what I'm trying to do. 09/16/2008 09:37:19 AM from Nomi Harris: That should be 2048M, but 2048M doesn't work for Jen. 09/16/2008 09:37:28 AM from midori: Jen - that's kind of beyond the scope of this meeting ... 09/16/2008 09:37:30 AM from JenDeegan: yes it's weird that. 09/16/2008 09:37:37 AM from Nomi Harris: I wouldn't worry about the 50%. 09/16/2008 09:37:39 AM from JenDeegan: yeah, just a thought for harold. 09/16/2008 09:37:46 AM from Nomi Harris: As we pointed out, Harold (or anyone) can always change that setting. 09/16/2008 09:38:01 AM from Nomi Harris: I should probably make sure that if you change it in the config manager, you don't make it >2048M 09/16/2008 09:38:04 AM from Nomi Harris: (or whatever we decide the max is) 09/16/2008 09:38:09 AM from Nomi Harris: because then you can't start up OE. 09/16/2008 09:38:19 AM from Harold: I just checked.. I thought I had more ram on this new machine than I do; SO it's closer 75% (1.5 out of 2 (not 3)) 09/16/2008 09:38:31 AM from Amina: Maybe we should document this in the user guide 09/16/2008 09:38:36 AM from Nomi Harris: I was hoping Melissa would be here today so she could demo the problem she's having that I can't replicate: 09/16/2008 09:38:44 AM from midori: mental arithmetic rears its ugly head 09/16/2008 09:38:57 AM from Nomi Harris: it takes a long time (7 sec, she says) to select terms in the OTE when she clicks on certain terms. 09/16/2008 09:39:07 AM from Nomi Harris: I tried her example and it was fast for me. 09/16/2008 09:39:18 AM from Nomi Harris: Is anyone else finding it slow to click on terms in the OTE? 09/16/2008 09:39:28 AM from JenDeegan: has she got the verification checks turned off? 09/16/2008 09:39:40 AM from Nomi Harris: (By the way, one thing to try if it is slow is closing nodes you're not interested in--if a lot of the tree is open, it takes longer to redraw.) 09/16/2008 09:39:40 AM from JenDeegan: I just occassionally find it slow. 09/16/2008 09:39:40 AM from midori: I've used b49 a little -- it's going well so far. I don't seem to get selection delays much any more (so far). 09/16/2008 09:39:56 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, she sent me her config and I tried running with that and didn't get the selection delay. 09/16/2008 09:40:03 AM from JenDeegan: weird 09/16/2008 09:40:10 AM from JenDeegan: I do get slow selections sometimes 09/16/2008 09:40:16 AM from JenDeegan: but not nearly as often as before. 09/16/2008 09:40:21 AM from Nomi Harris: Yesterday I was able to reproduce Jane's problem with the definition spell check. 09/16/2008 09:40:35 AM from midori: Changing selection was waaay slow in several previous betas; if b49 keeps treating me well I might say that's fixed for me. 09/16/2008 09:40:36 AM from Nomi Harris: When you get a slow selection, can you try to write down the circumstances? 09/16/2008 09:41:06 AM from JenDeegan: yes sure. 09/16/2008 09:41:12 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, in b49 I did an optimization for selection in OTE that makes it faster 09/16/2008 09:41:20 AM from JenDeegan: the thing is that it's very inconsistent 09/16/2008 09:41:21 AM from Nomi Harris: Glad to hear it's working well for you. 09/16/2008 09:41:23 AM from midori: so far so good! 09/16/2008 09:41:36 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, maybe it happens when it's doing something else in the background, like an autosave? 09/16/2008 09:41:44 AM from JenDeegan: oh that's a thought. 09/16/2008 09:41:48 AM from JenDeegan: I'll have a look. 09/16/2008 09:42:08 AM from Nomi Harris: So, I'm sorry to say that this is basically the last day I will be working on OBO-Edit. :-( 09/16/2008 09:42:14 AM from JenDeegan: aw.... 09/16/2008 09:42:16 AM from Nomi Harris: My temporary appointment at LBNL has run out. 09/16/2008 09:42:19 AM from Harold: !! 09/16/2008 09:42:34 AM from midori: <sniff> 09/16/2008 09:42:36 AM from Nomi Harris: I will be working mostly on an external consulting job, and will spend only an hour or so a week on OE. 09/16/2008 09:42:41 AM from Nomi Harris: I know, I'm bummed too! 09/16/2008 09:42:54 AM from Nomi Harris: It's possible that when Suzi gets back, she'll find a way to fix it. 09/16/2008 09:43:18 AM from Nomi Harris: At least I will not totally vanish--I will answer email and will even be physically present in the office to look at puzzling bugs with Amina. 09/16/2008 09:43:37 AM from midori: so at least we don't have to go cold turkey 09/16/2008 09:43:56 AM from Nomi Harris: Right. 09/16/2008 09:44:06 AM from Harold: GO:0060292 09/16/2008 09:44:14 AM from Nomi Harris: Huh? 09/16/2008 09:44:36 AM from Harold: long term depression 09/16/2008 09:44:46 AM from Tanya: lol 09/16/2008 09:44:48 AM from Nomi Harris: :-) 09/16/2008 09:45:08 AM from Nomi Harris: It's like the religious people who like to cite Bible verses that are appropriate to the situation--you cite GO terms. 09/16/2008 09:45:17 AM from Harold: these GO terms are good for more than just annotation! 09/16/2008 09:45:47 AM from Nomi Harris: Amina will run the future OEWG meetings, but I will try to attend. 09/16/2008 09:45:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Do you want to continue having them once a week, or have some of you felt like that was too frequent? 09/16/2008 09:46:33 AM from Harold: I think we should cetainly have one close to just after a new release gets issued 09/16/2008 09:46:34 AM from JenDeegan: If people would like to have fewer working group meetings, I would quite like a bit of time for developer chat. 09/16/2008 09:46:50 AM from JenDeegan: just if the time was not needed for other things. 09/16/2008 09:47:03 AM from Karen: weekly seems fine, that way they're usually shorter, or people have time to ask questions 09/16/2008 09:47:03 AM from Tanya: That would be good (fewer meetings). 09/16/2008 09:47:15 AM from Amina: I'll also be spening more time looking into the bugs-of -the -week and try to have quick fixes out 09/16/2008 09:47:19 AM from midori: I think we'll want once-a-week meetings for the whole wg when we're in the final testing push. But we're probably not at that stage yet. 09/16/2008 09:47:20 AM from Nomi Harris: I figured consistency was good, and that not everyone had to attend every week. 09/16/2008 09:47:39 AM from JenDeegan: how about office hours every other week? 09/16/2008 09:47:48 AM from Nomi Harris: Frankly, I never really understood the difference. 09/16/2008 09:48:00 AM from midori: I don't have a strong preference, but the office hours thing was working pretty well for a while. 09/16/2008 09:48:05 AM from JenDeegan: I think the plan is that important demos only happen in main meetings 09/16/2008 09:48:06 AM from Nomi Harris: It just seemed confusing to me to have two similar-but-different meetings. 09/16/2008 09:48:22 AM from Nomi Harris: We generally aren't demoing big new features because we are not adding big new features. 09/16/2008 09:48:27 AM from JenDeegan: true 09/16/2008 09:48:35 AM from midori: By 'office hours' we meant a time slot when we knew John would be available to have us demo bugs at him. 09/16/2008 09:48:36 AM from Tanya: Nomi- it is/was confusing for me as well 09/16/2008 09:48:41 AM from Karen: When we alternated meetings with office hours, meetings had agendas for specific things to discuss or demo, while office hours were for questions 09/16/2008 09:48:56 AM from midori: If the distinction isn't meaningful now, we don't need to keep using it.p 09/16/2008 09:49:06 AM from Nomi Harris: I didn't really see the point of the distinction, but if people prefer it that way, that's fine. 09/16/2008 09:49:26 AM from midori: still no strong p refs ... 09/16/2008 09:49:32 AM from JenDeegan: I think it just means some people can skip alternate meetings and know they're not missing anything. 09/16/2008 09:49:40 AM from Karen: I don't reallly mind either way, just commented on the distinction that existed when John ran them 09/16/2008 09:49:41 AM from Nomi Harris: They can skip all of them and not miss much. :-) 09/16/2008 09:49:49 AM from JenDeegan: :-) 09/16/2008 09:49:53 AM from midori: But surely that will soon change! ;) 09/16/2008 09:50:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Hey, what are you saying? :-) 09/16/2008 09:50:27 AM from JenDeegan: That sounds like a hint that we need to get the agenda written in advance. 09/16/2008 09:50:31 AM from midori: (k idding!) 09/16/2008 09:50:33 AM from JenDeegan: We do ramble a bit. 09/16/2008 09:51:05 AM from Nomi Harris: So Jane's bug was: 09/16/2008 09:51:08 AM from Nomi Harris: 1. The spell checker doesn't run unless you change the repeated word check config, even though it's supposedly on 2. There are so many words missing from the dictionary it causes a crash when you run a spell check on the definitions. Don't think we can d 09/16/2008 09:51:19 AM from Nomi Harris: Don't think we can do anything about number two, it mostly because GO is so big and contains so many chemical names. We should fix number 1 before release though." 09/16/2008 09:51:31 AM from Nomi Harris: I have now observed #1. 09/16/2008 09:51:34 AM from Nomi Harris: I will fix that. 09/16/2008 09:51:58 AM from JenDeegan: we were planning to get one person to do the dictionary file and make it available for everyone, but we haven't done it. 09/16/2008 09:51:59 AM from Nomi Harris: For #2, my OE doesn't crash, but it does find thousands of spelling errors in GO. 09/16/2008 09:52:09 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm thinking I need to cap the # of errors it shows. What's a good cap? 500? 09/16/2008 09:52:17 AM from Harold: lower! 09/16/2008 09:52:42 AM from Nomi Harris: Really? 100? But then you'd always just see the errors for the first chunk of terms and never see the errors for the later ones. 09/16/2008 09:53:07 AM from JenDeegan: once we have a dictionary file this shouldn't be a problem. 09/16/2008 09:53:16 AM from Nomi Harris: It would be nice if the verification panel had some sort of "show next 100 errors" button 09/16/2008 09:53:19 AM from Nomi Harris: but that would be non-trivial. 09/16/2008 09:53:23 AM from Karen: We could possibly improve #2 by collecting dictionary files from editors who have added words and at least getting those in 09/16/2008 09:53:25 AM from Nomi Harris: A more complete dictionary file would be a good idea. 09/16/2008 09:53:34 AM from Harold: I only "fix" the ones that I am working on anyways 09/16/2008 09:53:42 AM from JenDeegan: shall I put that file on my list? 09/16/2008 09:53:50 AM from Harold: Actually Karen that is a good idea 09/16/2008 09:53:50 AM from JenDeegan: I could try to do it this week. 09/16/2008 09:53:50 AM from Tanya: me too, I just ignore the rest 09/16/2008 09:53:53 AM from Tanya: (bad curator) 09/16/2008 09:54:01 AM from Nomi Harris: That's not bad, it's reasonable. 09/16/2008 09:54:15 AM from Harold: Hey, they're not MY spelling errors; they aren't even errors! 09/16/2008 09:54:17 AM from David OS: I've been building up my library file. Perhaps worth pooling? 09/16/2008 09:54:21 AM from midori: It's realistic, whatever else it may me 09/16/2008 09:54:24 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, how about if everyone sends you their dictionary? 09/16/2008 09:54:27 AM from midori: ... er. may BE 09/16/2008 09:54:27 AM from JenDeegan: or would it be possible to have an 'add all to disctionary' button? 09/16/2008 09:54:29 AM from Karen: I use OE2 for all my browsing and will add things in areas where I'm sure it's correct 09/16/2008 09:54:31 AM from Nomi Harris: You can then do this: 09/16/2008 09:54:56 AM from Nomi Harris: cat dictionary* | sort | uniq >newdictionary 09/16/2008 09:55:03 AM from JenDeegan: I have some software that would merge mutiple disctionaries. 09/16/2008 09:55:08 AM from JenDeegan: yes, or that. :-) 09/16/2008 09:55:15 AM from Nomi Harris: Isn't that much simpler? 09/16/2008 09:55:17 AM from JenDeegan: spelling very odd there. :-) 09/16/2008 09:55:32 AM from JenDeegan: it's all good 09/16/2008 09:55:38 AM from Harold: We could post the combined dictionary to the site so others could make use of it 09/16/2008 09:55:51 AM from JenDeegan: would an 'add all to dictionary' button be hard to write? 09/16/2008 09:55:52 AM from Nomi Harris: Why can't we just commit it to the OE repository? 09/16/2008 09:55:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Add all what? 09/16/2008 09:56:06 AM from Harold: That's what I mean, the OE repository 09/16/2008 09:56:12 AM from JenDeegan: all unrecognised words. 09/16/2008 09:56:31 AM from JenDeegan: to be used for people loading new ontologies, who are certain that they are all well spelled. 09/16/2008 09:56:35 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, it would be possible, not completely trivial but not super-hard. 09/16/2008 09:56:38 AM from Karen: I don't know that I'd really want to have it add all unrecognized words, that would add actual spelling errors to the dicitonary 09/16/2008 09:56:58 AM from Nomi Harris: Harold, once the new expanded dictionary is committed, it will appear automatically in future OE releases. 09/16/2008 09:56:59 AM from Amina: Yeah what about the actual errors Jen 09/16/2008 09:57:05 AM from Amina: Those would be hard to detect 09/16/2008 09:57:16 AM from JenDeegan: only if we have spelling errors in the ontology, which naturally we don't. 09/16/2008 09:57:23 AM from Harold: I yah 09/16/2008 09:57:24 AM from Nomi Harris: Because you guys are perfect. :-) 09/16/2008 09:57:26 AM from Amina: In that case it makes sense 09/16/2008 09:57:29 AM from JenDeegan: also the file could then be checked by a technical spell checker 09/16/2008 09:57:35 AM from JenDeegan: :-) 09/16/2008 09:57:52 AM from JenDeegan: I'm just thinking it might be better than my clicking 'add' a billion times. 09/16/2008 09:57:54 AM from Amina: Sounds like a useful feature to add then 09/16/2008 09:57:56 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm running a spellcheck on GO now 09/16/2008 09:58:18 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm thinking I can save the errors as a file and write a little perl script to add the missing words to the dictionary. 09/16/2008 09:58:23 AM from Nomi Harris: I'll see if I can do that quickly today. 09/16/2008 09:58:31 AM from JenDeegan: that would be extremely kind of you. 09/16/2008 09:58:57 AM from Harold: 8-) we could always run it through Thunderbird's spell checker for laughs 09/16/2008 09:58:58 AM from Nomi Harris: I don't want you to click "add" a billion times and get RSI. :-) 09/16/2008 09:59:07 AM from JenDeegan: thanks :-) 09/16/2008 09:59:19 AM from Harold: MGI -> magi 09/16/2008 09:59:20 AM from Tanya: maybe we could hire a monkey 09/16/2008 09:59:28 AM from Tanya: I hear they work for bananas 09/16/2008 09:59:42 AM from JenDeegan: we should also post the file that has the words that can be written twice in a row. 09/16/2008 09:59:44 AM from JenDeegan: I will do that. 09/16/2008 09:59:55 AM from Nomi Harris: Harold, why did you say "MGI -> magi"? 09/16/2008 09:59:58 AM from JenDeegan: shall I put it on the wiki or on OBO-Edit? 09/16/2008 10:00:13 AM from Nomi Harris: The twice-in-a-row thing is problematic because the string is broken into tokens before it's checked 09/16/2008 10:00:21 AM from midori: I took it to be a spell checker suggestion 09/16/2008 10:00:38 AM from Nomi Harris: Allowing repeated words separated by punctuation would require a different approach. 09/16/2008 10:00:56 AM from JenDeegan: no, I mean just the ones that we currently detect. 09/16/2008 10:01:10 AM from JenDeegan: you know where it lets us add to the list those words that can be repeated. 09/16/2008 10:01:13 AM from Nomi Harris: Where's the current list? 09/16/2008 10:01:23 AM from JenDeegan: currently when we nuke the config directory that file gets lost. 09/16/2008 10:01:32 AM from JenDeegan: it must be in the config file somewhere. 09/16/2008 10:01:37 AM from JenDeegan: I could fish it out and post it. 09/16/2008 10:02:06 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok 09/16/2008 10:02:12 AM from JenDeegan: great 09/16/2008 10:02:23 AM from JenDeegan: shall I put it in the oboedit install or on the wiki? 09/16/2008 10:02:29 AM from JenDeegan: or even cvs? 09/16/2008 10:02:34 AM from Nomi Harris: svn 09/16/2008 10:02:37 AM from JenDeegan: ok 09/16/2008 10:02:39 AM from JenDeegan: thanks 09/16/2008 10:02:45 AM from JenDeegan: any particular place? 09/16/2008 10:02:46 AM from Nomi Harris: But it should also be included in the install 09/16/2008 10:02:58 AM from Nomi Harris: It should be analogous to dictionary.dict 09/16/2008 10:03:08 AM from JenDeegan: okay, I'll have a look. 09/16/2008 10:03:22 AM from Nomi Harris: Which is in src/org/oboedit/resources/dictionary.dict 09/16/2008 10:03:27 AM from JenDeegan: ta. 09/16/2008 10:03:29 AM from Nomi Harris: So the repeated-word file should go there. 09/16/2008 10:03:37 AM from JenDeegan: good plan. 09/16/2008 10:03:38 AM from Nomi Harris: Then it will be included in the jar automatically. 09/16/2008 10:03:49 AM from JenDeegan: great 09/16/2008 10:04:18 AM from Nomi Harris: But we need to make sure it's called the right thing so the OE code knows to look for it. 09/16/2008 10:04:37 AM from Tanya: Is this the appropriate time to show some weird behavior in OE2 b49? 09/16/2008 10:04:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Sure 09/16/2008 10:05:13 AM from Tanya: Let me summarize briefly 09/16/2008 10:05:17 AM from Tanya: I load up the ontology 09/16/2008 10:05:34 AM from Tanya: I have a term renderer set up that Chris uses to point out terms with intersections. 09/16/2008 10:05:40 AM from Nomi Harris: Uh oh 09/16/2008 10:05:41 AM from Tanya: (I'll point to that) 09/16/2008 10:05:48 AM from Tanya: when I turn the semantic parser on 09/16/2008 10:05:54 AM from Tanya: some term names get truncated. 09/16/2008 10:07:23 AM from Tanya: Did you see that? 09/16/2008 10:07:23 AM from midori: yup 09/16/2008 10:07:29 AM from Tanya: OK, demo over. 09/16/2008 10:07:43 AM from Nomi Harris: Weird! 09/16/2008 10:07:45 AM from Nomi Harris: I saw that. 09/16/2008 10:07:46 AM from Tanya: Very. 09/16/2008 10:07:50 AM from Harold: it was instaneous! 09/16/2008 10:07:52 AM from Nomi Harris: Did you file a bug report? 09/16/2008 10:07:54 AM from Tanya: Yes. 09/16/2008 10:07:56 AM from Tanya: No, not yet. 09/16/2008 10:08:09 AM from Tanya: It happened in 48 and I hadn't checked 49 09/16/2008 10:08:09 AM from midori: It might be the same as this 09/16/2008 10:08:17 AM from Tanya: yet to see if it was still happening. 09/16/2008 10:08:21 AM from midori: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2053394&group_id=36855&atid=418257 09/16/2008 10:08:32 AM from Nomi Harris: Amina, didn't you fix some bug having to do with term names being truncated? 09/16/2008 10:09:00 AM from Amina: Um - don't think so 09/16/2008 10:09:10 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, do you think that's the same bug as Tanya's? 09/16/2008 10:09:56 AM from midori: I can't be sure because I haven't done exactly what Tanya did (haven't tried the semantic parser at all, for one thing). But the symptoms are similar. 09/16/2008 10:10:11 AM from midori: Set up a renderer and see truncated terms. 09/16/2008 10:10:18 AM from Nomi Harris: Right. 09/16/2008 10:10:38 AM from Nomi Harris: Maybe Tanya should add her bug as a comment on midori's bug, and we should up the priority. 09/16/2008 10:10:56 AM from Nomi Harris: Or, if it's posted as a separate bug, be sure to reference midori's bug. 09/16/2008 10:11:04 AM from Amina: I can look into this today - I'll be working on a related issue 09/16/2008 10:11:14 AM from midori: yes, I put it as low priority because there's an easy fix in the OTE-specific renderer context 09/16/2008 10:11:27 AM from Nomi Harris: Tanya, did you try midori's fix? 09/16/2008 10:11:43 AM from Tanya: I was trying this out as Chris was suggesting it as a way to help with QC of the regulation terms. 09/16/2008 10:12:01 AM from Tanya: I just tried what I think was Midori's fix and either I'm misinterpreting her description 09/16/2008 10:12:05 AM from Tanya: or it doesn't work. 09/16/2008 10:12:41 AM from midori: My fix may not be available for the semantic parser incarnation of the bug. 09/16/2008 10:12:42 AM from Tanya: Opening and closing the config interface doesn't do anything. 09/16/2008 10:12:44 AM from Amina: Tanya could you also report the details of the renderer 09/16/2008 10:12:59 AM from Amina: I'd like to replicate the problem 09/16/2008 10:13:20 AM from midori: It does fix if the terms were truncated by a renderer added in the config interfface in the first place 09/16/2008 10:13:30 AM from Tanya: Sure. 09/16/2008 10:13:40 AM from Tanya: OK, here's a silly question which must be very easy to manage. 09/16/2008 10:13:43 AM from Tanya: answer. 09/16/2008 10:13:46 AM from Tanya: argh 09/16/2008 10:14:04 AM from Tanya: If I click on the Semantic Parser Manager. 09/16/2008 10:14:09 AM from Tanya: and tick the box 09/16/2008 10:14:14 AM from Tanya: as you saw me do in the demo 09/16/2008 10:14:21 AM from Tanya: but don't do anything with the Reasoner Manager 09/16/2008 10:14:35 AM from Tanya: am I doing the right thing? 09/16/2008 10:14:50 AM from Nomi Harris: No idea 09/16/2008 10:14:54 AM from Tanya: Anybody? 09/16/2008 10:14:57 AM from Nomi Harris: I don't know anything about the Semantic Parser Manager. 09/16/2008 10:14:59 AM from Nomi Harris: We need Chris. 09/16/2008 10:15:02 AM from David OS: what're you trying to achieve? 09/16/2008 10:15:14 AM from Tanya: :) 09/16/2008 10:15:20 AM from JenDeegan: surely you need the reasoner on? 09/16/2008 10:15:26 AM from Tanya: Following Chris' instructions. 09/16/2008 10:15:31 AM from Tanya: Right 09/16/2008 10:15:38 AM from Tanya: so if the Reasoner is not on 09/16/2008 10:15:50 AM from Tanya: then what does ticking the box in the SemanticParser Manager do? 09/16/2008 10:16:08 AM from JenDeegan: I thought it added some relationships or something 09/16/2008 10:16:14 AM from midori: I'm with Nomi - we need Chris 09/16/2008 10:16:16 AM from Tanya: I suppose they're independent? 09/16/2008 10:16:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Sorry, no idea. 09/16/2008 10:16:59 AM from Tanya: Anyway, I will open a bug report about the behavior I observed 09/16/2008 10:17:05 AM from Tanya: with details on how to reproduce it. 09/16/2008 10:17:13 AM from Nomi Harris: Thanks. 09/16/2008 10:17:22 AM from Nomi Harris: And we did all see it, so we'll know you're not just imagining it. :-) 09/16/2008 10:17:30 AM from Tanya: Thanks, Midori. :) 09/16/2008 10:17:42 AM from Harold: I know that one! 09/16/2008 10:17:51 AM from Nomi Harris: ? 09/16/2008 10:18:06 AM from Harold: eg, the scrolling bug! 09/16/2008 10:18:34 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm sure that no one is actually making up their strange bugs, but unless we have enough info to reproduce the problem, we can't fix it. 09/16/2008 10:18:54 AM from Nomi Harris: For the scrolling one, I pestered midori to give me more info until finally I was able to see it for myself. 09/16/2008 10:18:57 AM from Nomi Harris: Then I was able to fix it quickly. 09/16/2008 10:19:05 AM from midori: took me a while to figure out what to provide for that one 09/16/2008 10:19:27 AM from midori: often I do things without being fully conscious of it ... muscle memory 09/16/2008 10:19:40 AM from Harold: it's more weird when it happens once and then goes away so you can't demo it; then it comes back! 09/16/2008 10:19:59 AM from Harold: but we all saw this one! 09/16/2008 10:20:00 AM from JenDeegan: Jane found a tiny picture of a dog in the dbxref field today. 09/16/2008 10:20:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Like the way your car stops making that funny noise when you bring it to the repair place... 09/16/2008 10:20:09 AM from JenDeegan: but it won't be back. 09/16/2008 10:20:10 AM from Nomi Harris: A tiny picture of a dog?! 09/16/2008 10:20:15 AM from Harold: what!? 09/16/2008 10:20:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Did she get a screenshot? 09/16/2008 10:20:20 AM from JenDeegan: she just upgraded office. 09/16/2008 10:20:26 AM from Nomi Harris: Too bad it wasn't an image of the Virgin Mary. 09/16/2008 10:20:29 AM from JenDeegan: I'm not sure. It was extremely funny though. 09/16/2008 10:20:33 AM from JenDeegan: :-) 09/16/2008 10:20:47 AM from Tanya: we could have sold that version on eBay 09/16/2008 10:20:50 AM from Nomi Harris: Exactly! 09/16/2008 10:20:59 AM from Harold: which dbxref? I want to see! 09/16/2008 10:21:05 AM from Nomi Harris: Me too! 09/16/2008 10:21:12 AM from Tanya: and then Nomi's salary would be covered! 09/16/2008 10:21:16 AM from JenDeegan: I'll ask if she still had it. 09/16/2008 10:21:58 AM from JenDeegan: shall we wrap up now? 09/16/2008 10:22:02 AM from Harold: Maybe Bill Gates has his eye on oboedit! 09/16/2008 10:22:12 AM from JenDeegan: I should think he does :-) 09/16/2008 10:22:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Does anyone else have anything to bring up? 09/16/2008 10:22:24 AM from JenDeegan: nope 09/16/2008 10:22:26 AM from Harold: no; 09/16/2008 10:22:28 AM from midori: Not just now 09/16/2008 10:22:42 AM from Karen: nope 09/16/2008 10:22:44 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok 09/16/2008 10:22:48 AM from Nomi Harris: Bye all 09/16/2008 10:22:52 AM from midori: bye 09/16/2008 10:22:53 AM from JenDeegan: bye 09/16/2008 10:22:56 AM from Amina: bye all 09/16/2008 10:22:56 AM from Harold: Good bye 09/16/2008 10:22:57 AM from Karen: bye 09/16/2008 10:22:59 AM from David OS: taraa