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11/01/2007    17:02:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Attendees:
Hi, all.
11/01/2007    17:02:29 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees:
his
11/01/2007    17:02:31 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees:
hi
11/01/2007    17:02:35 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Hi
11/01/2007    17:02:36 PM    from harold to All Participants:
avast
11/01/2007    17:02:44 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees:
(bad typist at work)
11/01/2007    17:02:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Attendees:
Again, sorry for the reschedule, and my recent silence.
11/01/2007    17:03:02 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Alex- you have to change to "all participants"
11/01/2007    17:03:13 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	hi again
11/01/2007    17:03:15 PM    from midori to All Participants:
We missed ya!
11/01/2007    17:03:17 PM    from harold to All Participants:
they just started putting up the snow stakes at the lab
11/01/2007    17:03:27 PM    from harold to All Participants:
8-(
11/01/2007    17:03:28 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But hopefully you'll like the new rendering system. Once this is 
done, I really will feel that OBO-Edit 2 is approaching feature 
completeness
11/01/2007    17:03:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Oh yeah, they have winter where you live.
11/01/2007    17:03:39 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I was X-country skiing on Sunday.
11/01/2007    17:03:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Don't they have winter in Cambridge? Or is it just a dreary 
year-round drizzle?
11/01/2007    17:03:56 PM    from harold to All Participants:
yes, but that's in *ICE" land
11/01/2007    17:04:10 PM    from midori to All Participants:
We have summer here! It lasted almost a week this year!!!
11/01/2007    17:04:34 PM    from harold to All Participants:
so how many here are going to the Hawai meeting??
11/01/2007    17:04:38 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(but they haven't had a decent winter worthy the name since I've lived 
here)
11/01/2007    17:04:38 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	In Iceland, summer is just defined a bit differently.
11/01/2007    17:05:59 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	What does the new rendering system do?
11/01/2007    17:06:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I
11/01/2007    17:06:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll demo in a moment, I'm struggling with webex...
11/01/2007    17:06:52 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	okay
11/01/2007    17:06:57 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
yeah I had a really hard time getting on

11/01/2007    17:08:08 PM    from harold to All Participants:
I just got a "Yugma" account; it works in conjunction with skype; sort 
of a Freeware WebEX. Has anyone tried it?
11/01/2007    17:08:26 PM    from midori to All Participants:
only just heard of it now
11/01/2007    17:08:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That sounds nice though - how's the application sharing?
11/01/2007    17:09:58 PM    from harold to All Participants:
haven't tried everything yet; need another person to try it. I was 
thinking of getting my distance learning students to use it
11/01/2007    17:10:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Good plan. I'm ready to demo, now, by the way.
11/01/2007    17:10:35 PM    from harold to All Participants:
go for it
11/01/2007    17:10:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Since there's no way for me to chat while demoing, let me tell 
you what we'll be looking at...
11/01/2007    17:11:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Recall that back in the day, rendering was done via the regular 
search interface.
11/01/2007    17:11:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	No longer.
11/01/2007    17:11:27 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Rendering is now done in the configuration panel of the ontology 
editor panel or the graph editor panel.
11/01/2007    17:12:17 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(back from crashland)
11/01/2007    17:12:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anyway, renderers allow you to associate special coloring or 
font options with filters.
11/01/2007    17:13:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	In the demo, I've got a filter on OBO-Edit that colors all terms 
with the word "cell" in them purple.
11/01/2007    17:13:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But this new rendering system can do much more than the old one. 
But we'll look at the basics first.
11/01/2007    17:13:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll browse around a little, and then add a new filter that 
colors terms with the word "component" yellow.
11/01/2007    17:13:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	To the demo...
11/01/2007    17:16:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Notice that renderers can now be "blended"
11/01/2007    17:16:05 PM    from midori to All Participants:
madness! (but in a good way)
11/01/2007    17:16:25 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
I love it!

11/01/2007    17:16:41 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Colors will blend together if more than one renderer matches, 
and if you increase font size for matching terms, terms that match 
multiple renderers will get REALLY big.
11/01/2007    17:16:49 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But that's not the cool part!
11/01/2007    17:17:25 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Is that "script-like" stuff above the filter dialog generated 
automatically?
11/01/2007    17:17:43 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What stuff?
11/01/2007    17:18:05 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The description of the renderer you mean? That's the way a 
filter appears in the filter list when you aren't editing it.
11/01/2007    17:18:15 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I see.
11/01/2007    17:18:17 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Double click one of those descriptions to edit it.
11/01/2007    17:18:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	The cool part is that most of these renderers are implemented 
using HTML behind the scenes. You now have access to that HTML code.
11/01/2007    17:18:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Allow me to blow your minds. Demo style.
11/01/2007    17:19:42 PM    from midori to All Participants:
oh my.
11/01/2007    17:20:06 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	You can also do it WITHIN a renderer.
11/01/2007    17:20:21 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
wow, could this be used to display synonyms too?

11/01/2007    17:20:48 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
or better yet, change the primary term display to a synonym category?

11/01/2007    17:21:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That is in theory possible! I'd have to add a new search 
criterion (because those $var$ expressions are actually search criterion 
ids) but yes.
11/01/2007    17:22:09 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There's a special syntax you need to use to display lists of 
things, but it works.
11/01/2007    17:22:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It also works in the graph editor...
11/01/2007    17:24:36 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	So you can design your wedding invitations with it now.
11/01/2007    17:24:41 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Yes this is great.
11/01/2007    17:25:00 PM    from harold to All Participants:
beware of  font invasions
11/01/2007    17:25:08 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Especially if we can export the images in the graph editor.
11/01/2007    17:25:13 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Can we (easily) share the bits that specify a particular renderer?
11/01/2007    17:25:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Hmm...
11/01/2007    17:25:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Not as yet. But I can add that if you'd like.
11/01/2007    17:26:06 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I wouldn't delay release for it, but it might be a nice thing to 
consider for 2.001 ..
11/01/2007    17:26:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's really easy to do. I can add it in about half an hour I 
think.
11/01/2007    17:26:30 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	or at least before 2.008
11/01/2007    17:26:39 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Oh, well, in that case, why not?
11/01/2007    17:26:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There are also global renderers that apply to all term editor 
panels and ontology editor panels.
11/01/2007    17:27:32 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And although you can't specify renderers, you CAN specify the 
basic html for the graph dag viewer.
11/01/2007    17:28:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	One other thing you might be interested in is this...
11/01/2007    17:30:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	If you are willing to do a little HTML table coding, you can get 
some really cool results. I used something similar at biocurators to 
show a version of the zfin anatomy with pictures of each anatomical part 
next to the terms in the graph editor.
11/01/2007    17:30:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Although that requires a little extra Java code to traverse the 
ontology graph)
11/01/2007    17:30:39 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
(yes very helpful!!)

11/01/2007    17:30:53 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'm boggling (but in a good way)
11/01/2007    17:31:04 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	One last new addition is the quick filtering menu.
11/01/2007    17:31:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	demoing...
11/01/2007    17:32:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's like a more functional, MUCH faster version of the flower 
button.
11/01/2007    17:32:39 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I think this is all great but it will obviously have a bit of a 
learning curve.
11/01/2007    17:33:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Did anyone try out the image plugin?
11/01/2007    17:33:25 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
no not yet, sorry.

11/01/2007    17:33:29 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I wanted to but didn't know how to plug it in.
11/01/2007    17:33:40 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(yes I'm a little slow)
11/01/2007    17:33:58 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
(common to ontology editors....)

11/01/2007    17:34:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Ah. You drop it into your .oboedit/extensions directory, or the 
extensions/ directory of your OBO-Edit installation (depending on 
whether you want to install it for just yourself or all OBO-Edit users 
on that machine.
11/01/2007    17:34:12 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I know far too little about it ... and I haven't spent as much time 
testing anything as I wanted to this week ...
11/01/2007    17:34:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll demo it now. (allow me a moment to install it)
11/01/2007    17:36:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Alas, it seems to not be compatible with my in-progress build.
11/01/2007    17:37:39 PM    from midori to All Participants:
:(
11/01/2007    17:37:43 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's well worth trying out though. You get little camera icons 
on every panel that let you take a scalable EPS screenshot of that 
panel.
11/01/2007    17:38:13 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And a new right-click menu option in the graph editor that lets 
you save the whole graph as a scalable eps file.
11/01/2007    17:38:47 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Oh, one last thing to demo -
11/01/2007    17:40:28 PM    from midori to All Participants:
where does that message end up?
11/01/2007    17:40:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Right in that panel.
11/01/2007    17:40:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	It's mostly for demos, if you want to show acknowledgements or 
have a list of what you're demoing on screen.
11/01/2007    17:40:53 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	what is the message for?
11/01/2007    17:40:58 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I see
11/01/2007    17:41:25 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Or you can use an <img> tag to "brand" OBO-Edit...
11/01/2007    17:42:16 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Is that the brand you prefer now?
11/01/2007    17:42:25 PM    from harold to All Participants:
grrrr
11/01/2007    17:42:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'm going to buy up the GO as soon as I get to Google. Every 
piece of software will bear our logo! Ha ha ha ha ha!
11/01/2007    17:42:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Sorry.
11/01/2007    17:42:48 PM    from midori to All Participants:
couldn't even wait 'til he started working there <sigh>
11/01/2007    17:42:48 PM    from harold to All Participants:
OboEdit will be available with Picassa 
11/01/2007    17:42:55 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Just remember to hire the curators as part of the deal.
11/01/2007    17:43:01 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Actually, that's just the first image URL I could find.
11/01/2007    17:43:06 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(at Google-style salaries)
11/01/2007    17:43:07 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
go figure

11/01/2007    17:44:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Ah... open source-y
11/01/2007    17:44:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, only 15 minutes left.
11/01/2007    17:44:54 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let's talk about rescheduling office hours to jibe with my 
horrible new schedule, and then do deadly bug roundup.
11/01/2007    17:44:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Is that okay?
11/01/2007    17:45:03 PM    from midori to All Participants:
yup
11/01/2007    17:45:19 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
sure

11/01/2007    17:45:38 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What works for you, Midori? The U.S. folks can probably handle 
afternoon office hours without too much hassle.
11/01/2007    17:45:50 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Although anyone else can chime in with suggestions, if you'd 
like.
11/01/2007    17:46:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
so you now work 8pm-5am UK time (barring the odd week when clocks don't 
change on the same day)
11/01/2007    17:46:16 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	You could do late night hours for you and early hours for UK.
11/01/2007    17:46:19 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
ugghh!

11/01/2007    17:46:31 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
seems cruel

11/01/2007    17:46:45 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Well, that's UK time. From my point of view it's 1-9
11/01/2007    17:46:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Can you do 8pm, Midori?
11/01/2007    17:47:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Or would later be better? A before bed midnight chat?
11/01/2007    17:47:15 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
cruel for midori at any time, not you!

11/01/2007    17:47:15 PM    from midori to All Participants:
oh, so 4 am (your email said 1-10 pm)
11/01/2007    17:47:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(in practice it's actually 1-midnight, really, but I'm 
guaranteed in until 9)
11/01/2007    17:47:59 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
and our daylight savings is about to change

11/01/2007    17:48:01 PM    from midori to All Participants:
obviously, the start of John's new day is less bad than the end for us 
...
11/01/2007    17:48:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
the times I gave are post-change ... they're based on the time diff that 
prevails most of the year.
11/01/2007    17:48:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Any objection to moving office hours to 1pm mountain time?
11/01/2007    17:48:58 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I can't do Monday evenings, so would have to change the day-of-the-week.
11/01/2007    17:49:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That's fine. What day would you like?
11/01/2007    17:49:30 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Weds or Thurs would be fine, and Tuesdays not too bad (would miss one a 
month).
11/01/2007    17:49:48 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(please not friday)
11/01/2007    17:49:50 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Let's do Tuesdays & Thursdays at 1pm then.
11/01/2007    17:50:12 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Does noon work for you westcoasters?
11/01/2007    17:50:13 PM    from midori to All Participants:
are these meetings changing to 1 pm mountain time too?
11/01/2007    17:50:28 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
works fine for me

11/01/2007    17:50:32 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	No, we can leave these as they are. I sometimes have to deal 
with a screamy baby at the end, but you can't hear him.
11/01/2007    17:50:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
ok
11/01/2007    17:50:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Cool. I'll change the webex times.
11/01/2007    17:51:15 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	10 minutes left. What are the killer bugs that are stopping you 
from testing?
11/01/2007    17:51:23 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Well ...
11/01/2007    17:51:26 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Not to say that you aren't testing. I mean hypothetically)
11/01/2007    17:51:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(If you weren't testing, what would be stopping you because it 
sucks so badly)
11/01/2007    17:51:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I've got one of my "Midori's patented weird hard-to-describe oddities" 
...
11/01/2007    17:52:01 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I've been trying to get the image capture to work while we've 
been here but nothing happens.
11/01/2007    17:52:22 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What do you mean? You don't see the icons?
11/01/2007    17:52:40 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(Midori - "Midori's patented weird hard-to-describe oddities" 
would be an awesome autobiography title for you)
11/01/2007    17:52:47 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	I don't see the icons
11/01/2007    17:52:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	What version are you using?
11/01/2007    17:53:00 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I've had a few cases with beta16 where editing goes fine for a while, 
but then I lose the ability to change selections. Sometimes the whole 
app goes unresponsive.
11/01/2007    17:53:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	B16
11/01/2007    17:53:21 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Okay, I'll look into the plugin troubles before b17 goes out, 
Alex.
11/01/2007    17:53:23 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I'll keep that in mind if I ever find a good ghostwriter.
11/01/2007    17:53:31 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori - Do you have any useful logs?
11/01/2007    17:53:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(I imagine you've posted them on sourceforge if you do)
11/01/2007    17:53:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	(or emailed them)
11/01/2007    17:54:03 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	thanks
11/01/2007    17:54:19 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Erm, I have a log ... no guarantee that it's useful. Haven't put 
anything on SF yet because I was hoping to get some idea whether 
anything correlates with the bug ... no joy so far.
11/01/2007    17:54:25 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I can email the log I have, tho.
11/01/2007    17:54:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yeah - if the log contains an exception trace, it's definitely 
useful. I can almost always do something with an exception trace.
11/01/2007    17:55:12 PM    from midori to All Participants:
I did also have one session where nothing went wrong, but I wasn't aware 
of doing anything different from the times that bombed.
11/01/2007    17:55:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
log on it sway ....
11/01/2007    17:55:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Did beta16 fix the degrading performance problem?
11/01/2007    17:55:28 PM    from midori to All Participants:
	 
..er . on its way.
11/01/2007    17:55:34 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Associated with multiple searches?
11/01/2007    17:55:54 PM    from midori to All Participants:
Don't know, because of the aforementioned Midori's patented etc.
11/01/2007    17:56:03 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Harold?
11/01/2007    17:56:24 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	He must have run away. Alas.
11/01/2007    17:56:39 PM    from harold to All Participants:
so far nothing really bad, but I haven't really set it through a lot of 
queries yet
11/01/2007    17:56:59 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	That's good news, then, because my understanding was that it 
fell apart after just a few queries before.
11/01/2007    17:57:00 PM    from harold to All Participants:
I'll have to do that when I can find time to actually annotate
11/01/2007    17:57:24 PM    from harold to All Participants:
yes, before it got really bad after about three or four
11/01/2007    17:57:25 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	So is Java on Leopard going to be a problem for OBO-Edit?
11/01/2007    17:57:39 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	No way to know.
11/01/2007    17:57:45 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(there was a SF item)
11/01/2007    17:57:58 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Oh, crap.
11/01/2007    17:58:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(and I've seen complaints elsewhere in general)
11/01/2007    17:58:23 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I don't have Leopard, of course. If there is a problem, it'll 
probably be related to Leopard's new screen management.
11/01/2007    17:58:24 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	(about Java 5 on OS X 10.5)
11/01/2007    17:58:35 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Has anyone experienced these problems firsthand?
11/01/2007    17:58:46 PM    from midori to All Participants:
don't have leopard ...
11/01/2007    17:58:56 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	No, we won't be upgraded for a long time at TJL.
11/01/2007    17:59:05 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	But it is important to know.
11/01/2007    17:59:08 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(tiger on the computers, and shelter moggy on the couch)
11/01/2007    17:59:42 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll see if I can talk Suzi into buying Leopard for my last 
month at Berkeley. If not, there are ways of obtaining "demo" 
software...
11/01/2007    17:59:48 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I'll look into this.
11/01/2007    18:00:13 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	good
11/01/2007    18:00:17 PM    from harold to All Participants:
most likley will will have leopard when the next version of osx11 comes 
out
11/01/2007    18:01:04 PM    from harold to All Participants:
running out of cats; what's left: cougar; oscelot; kitty; ... OSX 
Garfield
11/01/2007    18:01:07 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jax's authoritarian IT is a perfect working model of why the 
Soviet Union didn't work, you realize.
11/01/2007    18:01:14 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Anyway, time's up.
11/01/2007    18:01:18 PM    from midori to All Participants:
other administrivia: I'll be away for the next meeting, and the office 
hours for a couple weeks
11/01/2007    18:01:37 PM    from midori to All Participants:
back nov. 19th ...
11/01/2007    18:01:37 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	Are we doing weekly meetings now?
11/01/2007    18:01:43 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
me too, next meeting

11/01/2007    18:01:55 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes to weekly meetings says I.
11/01/2007    18:02:02 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	okay
11/01/2007    18:02:03 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I missed the last one only because of biocurators.
11/01/2007    18:02:10 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Melissa and I were too busy hot-tubbing.
11/01/2007    18:02:16 PM    from midori to All Participants:
fine with me ... tho that means I'll miss the next 2
11/01/2007    18:02:16 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	But, you know, platonically.
11/01/2007    18:02:33 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Midori - wanna do office hours this afternoon as per the new 
schedule?
11/01/2007    18:02:35 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	At 10:30 or 11 mountain time?
11/01/2007    18:02:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	10:30 should be fine.
11/01/2007    18:03:34 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
you'll probably not get to go to google meetings in the hot tub

11/01/2007    18:03:40 PM    from midori to All Participants:
John - you mean office hrs in one hour or two?
11/01/2007    18:03:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Yes, Midori.
11/01/2007    18:03:57 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	And Melissa, I'll do my best to change the work culture.
11/01/2007    18:04:08 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(damn and blast congress for changing DST ... we used to go back on the 
same day!)
11/01/2007    18:04:20 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	But at least John will be able to take his dog to work with him.
11/01/2007    18:04:37 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
john can you send out a weekly reminder for all our meeting times so us 
space cadets can get our act together?

11/01/2007    18:04:51 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I have a 40 minute bus ride to google, so I won't be bringing 
Remy to google regularly.
11/01/2007    18:04:56 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Melissa, yes I will.
11/01/2007    18:05:12 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Sorry I arrived so late. I was both stuck on the motorway and confused 
about the time.

11/01/2007    18:05:29 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Maybe Jen would like office hours in an hour too...
11/01/2007    18:05:33 PM    from midori to All Participants:
(see above re US Congress)
11/01/2007    18:06:08 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Jen would enjoy sleep but if there are tips on code revision going....

11/01/2007    18:06:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)

11/01/2007    18:06:30 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	There's always time for that, but we can do that over skype, I 
think.
11/01/2007    18:06:36 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
true

11/01/2007    18:06:44 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	So maybe let's skip office hours this afternoon.
11/01/2007    18:06:49 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that might be best

11/01/2007    18:06:59 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I've been on the motorway for 1.5 hours

11/01/2007    18:07:06 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Thanks.

11/01/2007    18:07:11 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Jen, skype me when you want to talk about code stuff. I'll be 
back in the office in an hour.
11/01/2007    18:07:18 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
funky! Thanks.

11/01/2007    18:07:19 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	I must now depart to take Logan to baby school.
11/01/2007    18:07:23 PM    from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
have fun!

11/01/2007    18:07:27 PM    from midori to All Participants:
ok ... I'll put in a bug report if I figure out what gives with my 
latest oddity.
11/01/2007    18:07:36 PM    from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
	bye.
11/01/2007    18:07:37 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Farewell, all. Can a non-crashed person send out notes?
11/01/2007    18:07:41 PM    from midori to All Participants:
ok
11/01/2007    18:07:46 PM    from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
	Bye.
11/01/2007    18:07:48 PM    from melissaH to All Participants:
bye everyone

11/01/2007    18:07:49 PM    from harold to All Participants:
okydoky; good bye
11/01/2007    18:07:53 PM    from midori to All Participants:
bye