OE Webex 1Nov07
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11/01/2007 17:02:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Attendees: Hi, all. 11/01/2007 17:02:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees: his 11/01/2007 17:02:31 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees: hi 11/01/2007 17:02:35 PM from midori to All Participants: Hi 11/01/2007 17:02:36 PM from harold to All Participants: avast 11/01/2007 17:02:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Attendees: (bad typist at work) 11/01/2007 17:02:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Attendees: Again, sorry for the reschedule, and my recent silence. 11/01/2007 17:03:02 PM from midori to All Participants: Alex- you have to change to "all participants" 11/01/2007 17:03:13 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: hi again 11/01/2007 17:03:15 PM from midori to All Participants: We missed ya! 11/01/2007 17:03:17 PM from harold to All Participants: they just started putting up the snow stakes at the lab 11/01/2007 17:03:27 PM from harold to All Participants: 8-( 11/01/2007 17:03:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: But hopefully you'll like the new rendering system. Once this is done, I really will feel that OBO-Edit 2 is approaching feature completeness 11/01/2007 17:03:33 PM from midori to All Participants: Oh yeah, they have winter where you live. 11/01/2007 17:03:39 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I was X-country skiing on Sunday. 11/01/2007 17:03:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Don't they have winter in Cambridge? Or is it just a dreary year-round drizzle? 11/01/2007 17:03:56 PM from harold to All Participants: yes, but that's in *ICE" land 11/01/2007 17:04:10 PM from midori to All Participants: We have summer here! It lasted almost a week this year!!! 11/01/2007 17:04:34 PM from harold to All Participants: so how many here are going to the Hawai meeting?? 11/01/2007 17:04:38 PM from midori to All Participants: (but they haven't had a decent winter worthy the name since I've lived here) 11/01/2007 17:04:38 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: In Iceland, summer is just defined a bit differently. 11/01/2007 17:05:59 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: What does the new rendering system do? 11/01/2007 17:06:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I 11/01/2007 17:06:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll demo in a moment, I'm struggling with webex... 11/01/2007 17:06:52 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: okay 11/01/2007 17:06:57 PM from melissaH to All Participants: yeah I had a really hard time getting on 11/01/2007 17:08:08 PM from harold to All Participants: I just got a "Yugma" account; it works in conjunction with skype; sort of a Freeware WebEX. Has anyone tried it? 11/01/2007 17:08:26 PM from midori to All Participants: only just heard of it now 11/01/2007 17:08:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That sounds nice though - how's the application sharing? 11/01/2007 17:09:58 PM from harold to All Participants: haven't tried everything yet; need another person to try it. I was thinking of getting my distance learning students to use it 11/01/2007 17:10:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Good plan. I'm ready to demo, now, by the way. 11/01/2007 17:10:35 PM from harold to All Participants: go for it 11/01/2007 17:10:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Since there's no way for me to chat while demoing, let me tell you what we'll be looking at... 11/01/2007 17:11:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Recall that back in the day, rendering was done via the regular search interface. 11/01/2007 17:11:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No longer. 11/01/2007 17:11:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Rendering is now done in the configuration panel of the ontology editor panel or the graph editor panel. 11/01/2007 17:12:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (back from crashland) 11/01/2007 17:12:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway, renderers allow you to associate special coloring or font options with filters. 11/01/2007 17:13:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: In the demo, I've got a filter on OBO-Edit that colors all terms with the word "cell" in them purple. 11/01/2007 17:13:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: But this new rendering system can do much more than the old one. But we'll look at the basics first. 11/01/2007 17:13:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll browse around a little, and then add a new filter that colors terms with the word "component" yellow. 11/01/2007 17:13:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: To the demo... 11/01/2007 17:16:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Notice that renderers can now be "blended" 11/01/2007 17:16:05 PM from midori to All Participants: madness! (but in a good way) 11/01/2007 17:16:25 PM from melissaH to All Participants: I love it! 11/01/2007 17:16:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Colors will blend together if more than one renderer matches, and if you increase font size for matching terms, terms that match multiple renderers will get REALLY big. 11/01/2007 17:16:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: But that's not the cool part! 11/01/2007 17:17:25 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Is that "script-like" stuff above the filter dialog generated automatically? 11/01/2007 17:17:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What stuff? 11/01/2007 17:18:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The description of the renderer you mean? That's the way a filter appears in the filter list when you aren't editing it. 11/01/2007 17:18:15 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I see. 11/01/2007 17:18:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Double click one of those descriptions to edit it. 11/01/2007 17:18:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The cool part is that most of these renderers are implemented using HTML behind the scenes. You now have access to that HTML code. 11/01/2007 17:18:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Allow me to blow your minds. Demo style. 11/01/2007 17:19:42 PM from midori to All Participants: oh my. 11/01/2007 17:20:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You can also do it WITHIN a renderer. 11/01/2007 17:20:21 PM from melissaH to All Participants: wow, could this be used to display synonyms too? 11/01/2007 17:20:48 PM from melissaH to All Participants: or better yet, change the primary term display to a synonym category? 11/01/2007 17:21:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That is in theory possible! I'd have to add a new search criterion (because those $var$ expressions are actually search criterion ids) but yes. 11/01/2007 17:22:09 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There's a special syntax you need to use to display lists of things, but it works. 11/01/2007 17:22:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It also works in the graph editor... 11/01/2007 17:24:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: So you can design your wedding invitations with it now. 11/01/2007 17:24:41 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Yes this is great. 11/01/2007 17:25:00 PM from harold to All Participants: beware of font invasions 11/01/2007 17:25:08 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Especially if we can export the images in the graph editor. 11/01/2007 17:25:13 PM from midori to All Participants: Can we (easily) share the bits that specify a particular renderer? 11/01/2007 17:25:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hmm... 11/01/2007 17:25:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Not as yet. But I can add that if you'd like. 11/01/2007 17:26:06 PM from midori to All Participants: I wouldn't delay release for it, but it might be a nice thing to consider for 2.001 .. 11/01/2007 17:26:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's really easy to do. I can add it in about half an hour I think. 11/01/2007 17:26:30 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: or at least before 2.008 11/01/2007 17:26:39 PM from midori to All Participants: Oh, well, in that case, why not? 11/01/2007 17:26:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There are also global renderers that apply to all term editor panels and ontology editor panels. 11/01/2007 17:27:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And although you can't specify renderers, you CAN specify the basic html for the graph dag viewer. 11/01/2007 17:28:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: One other thing you might be interested in is this... 11/01/2007 17:30:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If you are willing to do a little HTML table coding, you can get some really cool results. I used something similar at biocurators to show a version of the zfin anatomy with pictures of each anatomical part next to the terms in the graph editor. 11/01/2007 17:30:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (Although that requires a little extra Java code to traverse the ontology graph) 11/01/2007 17:30:39 PM from melissaH to All Participants: (yes very helpful!!) 11/01/2007 17:30:53 PM from midori to All Participants: I'm boggling (but in a good way) 11/01/2007 17:31:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: One last new addition is the quick filtering menu. 11/01/2007 17:31:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: demoing... 11/01/2007 17:32:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's like a more functional, MUCH faster version of the flower button. 11/01/2007 17:32:39 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I think this is all great but it will obviously have a bit of a learning curve. 11/01/2007 17:33:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Did anyone try out the image plugin? 11/01/2007 17:33:25 PM from melissaH to All Participants: no not yet, sorry. 11/01/2007 17:33:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I wanted to but didn't know how to plug it in. 11/01/2007 17:33:40 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (yes I'm a little slow) 11/01/2007 17:33:58 PM from melissaH to All Participants: (common to ontology editors....) 11/01/2007 17:34:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Ah. You drop it into your .oboedit/extensions directory, or the extensions/ directory of your OBO-Edit installation (depending on whether you want to install it for just yourself or all OBO-Edit users on that machine. 11/01/2007 17:34:12 PM from midori to All Participants: I know far too little about it ... and I haven't spent as much time testing anything as I wanted to this week ... 11/01/2007 17:34:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll demo it now. (allow me a moment to install it) 11/01/2007 17:36:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Alas, it seems to not be compatible with my in-progress build. 11/01/2007 17:37:39 PM from midori to All Participants: :( 11/01/2007 17:37:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's well worth trying out though. You get little camera icons on every panel that let you take a scalable EPS screenshot of that panel. 11/01/2007 17:38:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And a new right-click menu option in the graph editor that lets you save the whole graph as a scalable eps file. 11/01/2007 17:38:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Oh, one last thing to demo - 11/01/2007 17:40:28 PM from midori to All Participants: where does that message end up? 11/01/2007 17:40:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Right in that panel. 11/01/2007 17:40:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's mostly for demos, if you want to show acknowledgements or have a list of what you're demoing on screen. 11/01/2007 17:40:53 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: what is the message for? 11/01/2007 17:40:58 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I see 11/01/2007 17:41:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Or you can use an <img> tag to "brand" OBO-Edit... 11/01/2007 17:42:16 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Is that the brand you prefer now? 11/01/2007 17:42:25 PM from harold to All Participants: grrrr 11/01/2007 17:42:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'm going to buy up the GO as soon as I get to Google. Every piece of software will bear our logo! Ha ha ha ha ha! 11/01/2007 17:42:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Sorry. 11/01/2007 17:42:48 PM from midori to All Participants: couldn't even wait 'til he started working there <sigh> 11/01/2007 17:42:48 PM from harold to All Participants: OboEdit will be available with Picassa 11/01/2007 17:42:55 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Just remember to hire the curators as part of the deal. 11/01/2007 17:43:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Actually, that's just the first image URL I could find. 11/01/2007 17:43:06 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (at Google-style salaries) 11/01/2007 17:43:07 PM from melissaH to All Participants: go figure 11/01/2007 17:44:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Ah... open source-y 11/01/2007 17:44:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, only 15 minutes left. 11/01/2007 17:44:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let's talk about rescheduling office hours to jibe with my horrible new schedule, and then do deadly bug roundup. 11/01/2007 17:44:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Is that okay? 11/01/2007 17:45:03 PM from midori to All Participants: yup 11/01/2007 17:45:19 PM from melissaH to All Participants: sure 11/01/2007 17:45:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What works for you, Midori? The U.S. folks can probably handle afternoon office hours without too much hassle. 11/01/2007 17:45:50 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Although anyone else can chime in with suggestions, if you'd like. 11/01/2007 17:46:00 PM from midori to All Participants: so you now work 8pm-5am UK time (barring the odd week when clocks don't change on the same day) 11/01/2007 17:46:16 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: You could do late night hours for you and early hours for UK. 11/01/2007 17:46:19 PM from melissaH to All Participants: ugghh! 11/01/2007 17:46:31 PM from melissaH to All Participants: seems cruel 11/01/2007 17:46:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Well, that's UK time. From my point of view it's 1-9 11/01/2007 17:46:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Can you do 8pm, Midori? 11/01/2007 17:47:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Or would later be better? A before bed midnight chat? 11/01/2007 17:47:15 PM from melissaH to All Participants: cruel for midori at any time, not you! 11/01/2007 17:47:15 PM from midori to All Participants: oh, so 4 am (your email said 1-10 pm) 11/01/2007 17:47:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (in practice it's actually 1-midnight, really, but I'm guaranteed in until 9) 11/01/2007 17:47:59 PM from melissaH to All Participants: and our daylight savings is about to change 11/01/2007 17:48:01 PM from midori to All Participants: obviously, the start of John's new day is less bad than the end for us ... 11/01/2007 17:48:33 PM from midori to All Participants: the times I gave are post-change ... they're based on the time diff that prevails most of the year. 11/01/2007 17:48:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Any objection to moving office hours to 1pm mountain time? 11/01/2007 17:48:58 PM from midori to All Participants: I can't do Monday evenings, so would have to change the day-of-the-week. 11/01/2007 17:49:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That's fine. What day would you like? 11/01/2007 17:49:30 PM from midori to All Participants: Weds or Thurs would be fine, and Tuesdays not too bad (would miss one a month). 11/01/2007 17:49:48 PM from midori to All Participants: (please not friday) 11/01/2007 17:49:50 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let's do Tuesdays & Thursdays at 1pm then. 11/01/2007 17:50:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does noon work for you westcoasters? 11/01/2007 17:50:13 PM from midori to All Participants: are these meetings changing to 1 pm mountain time too? 11/01/2007 17:50:28 PM from melissaH to All Participants: works fine for me 11/01/2007 17:50:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No, we can leave these as they are. I sometimes have to deal with a screamy baby at the end, but you can't hear him. 11/01/2007 17:50:54 PM from midori to All Participants: ok 11/01/2007 17:50:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Cool. I'll change the webex times. 11/01/2007 17:51:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: 10 minutes left. What are the killer bugs that are stopping you from testing? 11/01/2007 17:51:23 PM from midori to All Participants: Well ... 11/01/2007 17:51:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (Not to say that you aren't testing. I mean hypothetically) 11/01/2007 17:51:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (If you weren't testing, what would be stopping you because it sucks so badly) 11/01/2007 17:51:54 PM from midori to All Participants: I've got one of my "Midori's patented weird hard-to-describe oddities" ... 11/01/2007 17:52:01 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I've been trying to get the image capture to work while we've been here but nothing happens. 11/01/2007 17:52:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What do you mean? You don't see the icons? 11/01/2007 17:52:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (Midori - "Midori's patented weird hard-to-describe oddities" would be an awesome autobiography title for you) 11/01/2007 17:52:47 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I don't see the icons 11/01/2007 17:52:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What version are you using? 11/01/2007 17:53:00 PM from midori to All Participants: I've had a few cases with beta16 where editing goes fine for a while, but then I lose the ability to change selections. Sometimes the whole app goes unresponsive. 11/01/2007 17:53:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: B16 11/01/2007 17:53:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, I'll look into the plugin troubles before b17 goes out, Alex. 11/01/2007 17:53:23 PM from midori to All Participants: I'll keep that in mind if I ever find a good ghostwriter. 11/01/2007 17:53:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori - Do you have any useful logs? 11/01/2007 17:53:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (I imagine you've posted them on sourceforge if you do) 11/01/2007 17:53:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (or emailed them) 11/01/2007 17:54:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: thanks 11/01/2007 17:54:19 PM from midori to All Participants: Erm, I have a log ... no guarantee that it's useful. Haven't put anything on SF yet because I was hoping to get some idea whether anything correlates with the bug ... no joy so far. 11/01/2007 17:54:25 PM from midori to All Participants: I can email the log I have, tho. 11/01/2007 17:54:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yeah - if the log contains an exception trace, it's definitely useful. I can almost always do something with an exception trace. 11/01/2007 17:55:12 PM from midori to All Participants: I did also have one session where nothing went wrong, but I wasn't aware of doing anything different from the times that bombed. 11/01/2007 17:55:16 PM from midori to All Participants: log on it sway .... 11/01/2007 17:55:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Did beta16 fix the degrading performance problem? 11/01/2007 17:55:28 PM from midori to All Participants: ..er . on its way. 11/01/2007 17:55:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Associated with multiple searches? 11/01/2007 17:55:54 PM from midori to All Participants: Don't know, because of the aforementioned Midori's patented etc. 11/01/2007 17:56:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Harold? 11/01/2007 17:56:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: He must have run away. Alas. 11/01/2007 17:56:39 PM from harold to All Participants: so far nothing really bad, but I haven't really set it through a lot of queries yet 11/01/2007 17:56:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That's good news, then, because my understanding was that it fell apart after just a few queries before. 11/01/2007 17:57:00 PM from harold to All Participants: I'll have to do that when I can find time to actually annotate 11/01/2007 17:57:24 PM from harold to All Participants: yes, before it got really bad after about three or four 11/01/2007 17:57:25 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: So is Java on Leopard going to be a problem for OBO-Edit? 11/01/2007 17:57:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No way to know. 11/01/2007 17:57:45 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (there was a SF item) 11/01/2007 17:57:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Oh, crap. 11/01/2007 17:58:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (and I've seen complaints elsewhere in general) 11/01/2007 17:58:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I don't have Leopard, of course. If there is a problem, it'll probably be related to Leopard's new screen management. 11/01/2007 17:58:24 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (about Java 5 on OS X 10.5) 11/01/2007 17:58:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Has anyone experienced these problems firsthand? 11/01/2007 17:58:46 PM from midori to All Participants: don't have leopard ... 11/01/2007 17:58:56 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: No, we won't be upgraded for a long time at TJL. 11/01/2007 17:59:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: But it is important to know. 11/01/2007 17:59:08 PM from midori to All Participants: (tiger on the computers, and shelter moggy on the couch) 11/01/2007 17:59:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll see if I can talk Suzi into buying Leopard for my last month at Berkeley. If not, there are ways of obtaining "demo" software... 11/01/2007 17:59:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll look into this. 11/01/2007 18:00:13 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: good 11/01/2007 18:00:17 PM from harold to All Participants: most likley will will have leopard when the next version of osx11 comes out 11/01/2007 18:01:04 PM from harold to All Participants: running out of cats; what's left: cougar; oscelot; kitty; ... OSX Garfield 11/01/2007 18:01:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jax's authoritarian IT is a perfect working model of why the Soviet Union didn't work, you realize. 11/01/2007 18:01:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway, time's up. 11/01/2007 18:01:18 PM from midori to All Participants: other administrivia: I'll be away for the next meeting, and the office hours for a couple weeks 11/01/2007 18:01:37 PM from midori to All Participants: back nov. 19th ... 11/01/2007 18:01:37 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Are we doing weekly meetings now? 11/01/2007 18:01:43 PM from melissaH to All Participants: me too, next meeting 11/01/2007 18:01:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes to weekly meetings says I. 11/01/2007 18:02:02 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: okay 11/01/2007 18:02:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I missed the last one only because of biocurators. 11/01/2007 18:02:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Melissa and I were too busy hot-tubbing. 11/01/2007 18:02:16 PM from midori to All Participants: fine with me ... tho that means I'll miss the next 2 11/01/2007 18:02:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: But, you know, platonically. 11/01/2007 18:02:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori - wanna do office hours this afternoon as per the new schedule? 11/01/2007 18:02:35 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: At 10:30 or 11 mountain time? 11/01/2007 18:02:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: 10:30 should be fine. 11/01/2007 18:03:34 PM from melissaH to All Participants: you'll probably not get to go to google meetings in the hot tub 11/01/2007 18:03:40 PM from midori to All Participants: John - you mean office hrs in one hour or two? 11/01/2007 18:03:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes, Midori. 11/01/2007 18:03:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And Melissa, I'll do my best to change the work culture. 11/01/2007 18:04:08 PM from midori to All Participants: (damn and blast congress for changing DST ... we used to go back on the same day!) 11/01/2007 18:04:20 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: But at least John will be able to take his dog to work with him. 11/01/2007 18:04:37 PM from melissaH to All Participants: john can you send out a weekly reminder for all our meeting times so us space cadets can get our act together? 11/01/2007 18:04:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I have a 40 minute bus ride to google, so I won't be bringing Remy to google regularly. 11/01/2007 18:04:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Melissa, yes I will. 11/01/2007 18:05:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Sorry I arrived so late. I was both stuck on the motorway and confused about the time. 11/01/2007 18:05:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Maybe Jen would like office hours in an hour too... 11/01/2007 18:05:33 PM from midori to All Participants: (see above re US Congress) 11/01/2007 18:06:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Jen would enjoy sleep but if there are tips on code revision going.... 11/01/2007 18:06:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 11/01/2007 18:06:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There's always time for that, but we can do that over skype, I think. 11/01/2007 18:06:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 11/01/2007 18:06:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: So maybe let's skip office hours this afternoon. 11/01/2007 18:06:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that might be best 11/01/2007 18:06:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I've been on the motorway for 1.5 hours 11/01/2007 18:07:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Thanks. 11/01/2007 18:07:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen, skype me when you want to talk about code stuff. I'll be back in the office in an hour. 11/01/2007 18:07:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: funky! Thanks. 11/01/2007 18:07:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I must now depart to take Logan to baby school. 11/01/2007 18:07:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: have fun! 11/01/2007 18:07:27 PM from midori to All Participants: ok ... I'll put in a bug report if I figure out what gives with my latest oddity. 11/01/2007 18:07:36 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: bye. 11/01/2007 18:07:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Farewell, all. Can a non-crashed person send out notes? 11/01/2007 18:07:41 PM from midori to All Participants: ok 11/01/2007 18:07:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Bye. 11/01/2007 18:07:48 PM from melissaH to All Participants: bye everyone 11/01/2007 18:07:49 PM from harold to All Participants: okydoky; good bye 11/01/2007 18:07:53 PM from midori to All Participants: bye