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09/20/2007 17:25:39 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: hi 09/20/2007 17:28:06 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: hi 09/20/2007 17:28:17 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: I wondered whether anyone else would turn up. 09/20/2007 17:28:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: :-) 09/20/2007 17:28:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: would you fancy a demo of the oboedit source code in eclipse while we wait? 09/20/2007 17:30:02 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: John's just sent me a message via skype ... I think he's on his way. 09/20/2007 17:30:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: oh righty 09/20/2007 17:30:50 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: Hi gals, how are you? 09/20/2007 17:31:16 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: not bad ... a bit frazzled, what with meeting coming right up 09/20/2007 17:31:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: good thanks, you? 09/20/2007 17:31:54 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: pretty well here....head is above water. are you all as understaffed as we seem to be? 09/20/2007 17:32:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: yep :-) 09/20/2007 17:32:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: no kidding 09/20/2007 17:32:23 PM from Midori Harris to All Attendees: Jane's on leave, you know. 09/20/2007 17:32:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: have you lost people too? 09/20/2007 17:32:48 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: yes, Erik in January and have yet to replace. and another curator out on maternity leave too. 09/20/2007 17:33:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: how many people do you have? 09/20/2007 17:33:15 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: 9 curators 09/20/2007 17:33:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Attendees: that's good then 09/20/2007 17:33:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Attendees: Hey, it vaguely worked. 09/20/2007 17:33:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi John 09/20/2007 17:33:50 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: hey 09/20/2007 17:33:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hello, super-friends. 09/20/2007 17:33:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I asked about the mac problem with chat and demo 09/20/2007 17:34:03 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: (I want to be aqua man) 09/20/2007 17:34:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let me guess: 09/20/2007 17:34:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: "Webex continues to offer quality solutions to all users" 09/20/2007 17:34:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: apparently the floating menu bar isn't supported in mac 09/20/2007 17:34:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that's about it 09/20/2007 17:34:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wrote back to ask when it would be supported 09/20/2007 17:34:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no answer yet 09/20/2007 17:34:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: "Share and enjoy!" 09/20/2007 17:34:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: they do pretty well to be fair 09/20/2007 17:34:56 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I guess that would explain why I don't even know what this floating menu bar is ... 09/20/2007 17:35:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would indeed 09/20/2007 17:35:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can probably get you a picture. 09/20/2007 17:35:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If we're going to do a demo, I'll switch to my Windows emulator. 09/20/2007 17:35:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh I have to wait until john is demo ing 09/20/2007 17:35:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is that the vmware thing 09/20/2007 17:35:44 PM from Erika to All Participants: Helllo! 09/20/2007 17:35:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi! 09/20/2007 17:35:50 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hi, Erika. 09/20/2007 17:35:58 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: no hurry 09/20/2007 17:35:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - I use Parallels now. It's awesome. 09/20/2007 17:36:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh really? 09/20/2007 17:36:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sounds interesting 09/20/2007 17:37:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Way better than VMWare. Better performance, and it has a mode called "coherance mode", where it does some trickery to make you windows applications look like they're really on your mac, not running in an emulator. 09/20/2007 17:37:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (even though they are) 09/20/2007 17:37:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ooooo 09/20/2007 17:37:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so this is a thing to let you have windows on a mac then? 09/20/2007 17:37:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes. 09/20/2007 17:37:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah right 09/20/2007 17:37:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: not so good for me then 09/20/2007 17:38:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: what's the plan for today? 09/20/2007 17:38:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I thought today was office hours, because last week was a meeting, and I assumed everyone was rushing to complete their presentations for the consortium meeting. 09/20/2007 17:38:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh I see 09/20/2007 17:39:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good call 09/20/2007 17:39:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I've fixed all the bugs that I could reproduce from our office hours session on Monday, by the way. 09/20/2007 17:39:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great! 09/20/2007 17:39:12 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I also thought office hours, and have put in some more bug reports. 09/20/2007 17:39:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I can't get any of your Windows XP bugs to happen though, Jen. My laptop is a perfect little gentleman. 09/20/2007 17:39:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 09/20/2007 17:39:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so those ones aren't fixed? 09/20/2007 17:40:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Can't fix it if I can't make it happen. 09/20/2007 17:40:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 09/20/2007 17:40:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: any thoughts? 09/20/2007 17:40:29 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: The most show-stopping of my bugs is that I can't save. 09/20/2007 17:40:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: reinstall my laptop from scratch? 09/20/2007 17:40:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: ! 09/20/2007 17:41:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - I'd say wipe out all your oboedit settings, make sure they're really dead, and reinstall. Also apply any pending Java updates, if you've been letting them slide. 09/20/2007 17:41:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori - say more about that. 09/20/2007 17:41:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (To everyone else - since this is office hours, it's going to be all bug talk. If you aren't interested in that, it's fine to go home) 09/20/2007 17:41:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: how do I make sure they're really dead? My java's bang up to date and I did delete the config folder 09/20/2007 17:41:48 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: Jen, I've had to do this too (I'm windows) othewise I just get a blue screen 09/20/2007 17:41:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Just checking now to see if I have the same problem at home. 09/20/2007 17:42:23 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: I had to delete all of .oboeditbeta in its entirety 09/20/2007 17:42:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: melissa does the new search work for you? 09/20/2007 17:42:48 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Initial report is SF 1796292 09/20/2007 17:42:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I deleted all of .oboeditbeta too 09/20/2007 17:43:05 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: hmmm, have to admit haven't tested much. I've had such trouble just getting it to go. I'll try it now 09/20/2007 17:43:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ta 09/20/2007 17:43:28 PM from Erika to All Participants: MMMH!To be honest I have not been using obo 2. so many time to have bugs but I would like 09/20/2007 17:43:29 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I think I do have the problem here. The symptom is that the save dailog doesn't appear ... 09/20/2007 17:43:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: erika have you tried on your xp machine? 09/20/2007 17:43:40 PM from Erika to All Participants: but it is useful for me to follow the discussion 09/20/2007 17:44:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I just missed the last minute from a webex crash. 09/20/2007 17:44:04 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: oh yes, I can't find any results 09/20/2007 17:44:22 PM from melissaH to All Attendees: and then it freezes 09/20/2007 17:44:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: erika, it wouldbe useful if you could load the go file and test the new search facility on your xp machine 09/20/2007 17:44:37 PM from Erika to All Participants: OK Jen! 09/20/2007 17:44:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall I paste in the conversation for john? 09/20/2007 17:44:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes, please. 09/20/2007 17:44:59 PM from melissaH to All Participants: sorry forgot 09/20/2007 17:45:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - you should search your hard drive for any file containing .oboedit, just to make sure there aren't multiple copies. 09/20/2007 17:45:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll put it in skype 09/20/2007 17:45:08 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ... er, dialog. Typed correctly or incorrectly, it hasn't put in an appearance. Three minutes and counting since I chose "Save As" from the file menu ... 09/20/2007 17:45:20 PM from Erika to All Participants: Jen - usually I work on a Linux but for attend the webex chat I need to use windows 09/20/2007 17:45:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: could you possibly test on windows just to see? 09/20/2007 17:46:01 PM from Erika to All Participants: yes, sure 09/20/2007 17:46:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I have a problem on my windows machine 09/20/2007 17:46:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - I DID test on windows. That's what I mean about my laptop being a perfect gentleman. No problems at all. 09/20/2007 17:46:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no it's okay I was talking to erika 09/20/2007 17:46:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Ah, I see. 09/20/2007 17:46:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I was wondering if she had the same problem as me 09/20/2007 17:46:55 PM from melissaH to All Participants: John- when hit search it freezes 09/20/2007 17:47:02 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: same as me 09/20/2007 17:47:12 PM from Erika to All Participants: JEn- could you tell me your bug? so I will see if I can reproduce it on my laptopo? 09/20/2007 17:47:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Same problem as Jen. Give me an example search - maybe it has to do with the kind of search you're doing. 09/20/2007 17:47:21 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I think I could search on the Mac ... 09/20/2007 17:47:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: search in the new search thing on anything at all 09/20/2007 17:47:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it should freeze solid 09/20/2007 17:47:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's the search that does not say 'legacy' 09/20/2007 17:47:58 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: must kill current oboedit process to double-check -- it's still stalled on failing to produce the save dialog. 09/20/2007 17:48:05 PM from melissaH to All Participants: I'm searching the cell ontology for 'cell' 09/20/2007 17:48:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I find that the cell ontology works much better than go 09/20/2007 17:48:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I just searched on my windows laptop, using the new control, in beta13, on the search "have a Name that contains the value cell" 09/20/2007 17:48:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: because it is smaller 09/20/2007 17:48:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It worked just fine. 09/20/2007 17:48:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: have you tried GO? 09/20/2007 17:48:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: This IS go. 09/20/2007 17:48:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah! 09/20/2007 17:48:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good 09/20/2007 17:48:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: But... it's an older version of gene_ontology_edit. 09/20/2007 17:48:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I wonder how erika gets on 09/20/2007 17:49:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let me try downloading the up-to-the-second newest version. 09/20/2007 17:49:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: erika how are you getting on? 09/20/2007 17:49:30 PM from Erika to All Participants: I have load cell ontology 09/20/2007 17:49:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: can you load go instead? 09/20/2007 17:49:42 PM from Erika to All Participants: but now I decided to use GO 09/20/2007 17:49:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah! 09/20/2007 17:50:11 PM from Erika to All Participants: Sorry, my machine is slow :-( 09/20/2007 17:50:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that's good for this 09/20/2007 17:50:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - what's your current memory setting? 09/20/2007 17:50:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it chooses 1200M on startup but says 512M in config as I recall. I'll check 09/20/2007 17:51:13 PM from melissaH to All Participants: mine says 768 in the config manager 09/20/2007 17:51:19 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: searching is worknig with latest GO on mac 09/20/2007 17:51:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that's right 09/20/2007 17:51:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall I change it in the config manager? 09/20/2007 17:51:39 PM from Erika to All Participants: something like 612 09/20/2007 17:52:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It works just fine for me, even with the newest GO! 09/20/2007 17:52:37 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Do you have the reasoner on, Jen? 09/20/2007 17:52:49 PM from melissaH to All Participants: I loaded the zfin anatomy and search name or synonym for 'fin and it froze again. 09/20/2007 17:52:59 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I just spotted a small search bug! 09/20/2007 17:53:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nope 09/20/2007 17:53:04 PM from melissaH to All Participants: (can't even quit) 09/20/2007 17:53:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I changed it to 1200M and it still hung 09/20/2007 17:53:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me neither 09/20/2007 17:53:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Remember, memory settings changes don't take effect until you restart. 09/20/2007 17:53:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 09/20/2007 17:53:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll try that 09/20/2007 17:53:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Wait. 09/20/2007 17:53:41 PM from melissaH to All Participants: reasoner has been off 09/20/2007 17:53:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I have an idea. 09/20/2007 17:53:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen & Mel, zip up your .oboeditbeta directories right now and send them to me (via skype is fine) 09/20/2007 17:54:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the memory setting wasn't retained 09/20/2007 17:54:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it is back to 512M 09/20/2007 17:54:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - something else to try: 09/20/2007 17:54:55 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes? 09/20/2007 17:55:06 PM from melissaH to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 17:55:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Go to your Applications/OBO-Edit directory, and open the file oboedit.vmoptions with a text editor. 09/20/2007 17:55:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (Shut down OBO-Edit first!) 09/20/2007 17:55:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes? 09/20/2007 17:56:02 PM from Erika to All Participants: I have searched for plasticity in the GO and now I cannot do anything else.OOE is blocked! 09/20/2007 17:56:03 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: mmm rings a bell 09/20/2007 17:56:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: same as me erika 09/20/2007 17:56:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What does the file say? 09/20/2007 17:56:24 PM from Erika to All Participants: oh :-( 09/20/2007 17:56:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: -Xmx512M 09/20/2007 17:56:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can put it to 1200 and try again? 09/20/2007 17:56:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes, but don't set it higher than your actual memory. 09/20/2007 17:56:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That would be very bad. 09/20/2007 17:56:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 09/20/2007 17:57:09 PM from Erika to All Participants: I have 1G RAM. 09/20/2007 17:57:19 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: putting newly discovered search bug in SourceForge 09/20/2007 17:57:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: config now shows 1200 09/20/2007 17:57:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Now try it, Jen. 09/20/2007 17:57:40 PM from Erika to All Participants: John - could you suggest me a range for OE memory? 09/20/2007 17:57:48 PM from Erika to All Participants: I have 1 G RAM 09/20/2007 17:57:58 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: About 80% of your total memory. Try 768 09/20/2007 17:58:02 PM from Erika to All Participants: thanks 09/20/2007 17:58:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh dear. It still hangs with 1200M 09/20/2007 17:58:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sorry 09/20/2007 17:58:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: What could be different about your machine and mine...? 09/20/2007 17:58:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let me try something else... 09/20/2007 17:58:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is your machine and actual PC or is it your emulator? 09/20/2007 17:58:48 PM from melissaH to All Participants: we have the female touch :-) 09/20/2007 17:58:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 09/20/2007 17:59:11 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's a Windows XP laptop. 09/20/2007 17:59:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: same as me 09/20/2007 17:59:28 PM from melissaH to All Participants: mine is a windows xp desktop 09/20/2007 17:59:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but there are three showing the bug right? 09/20/2007 17:59:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes. 09/20/2007 18:00:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll try the eclipse version on y machine 09/20/2007 18:00:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - if you press ctrl+alt+del and look at the task manager, how many oboedit.exe's do you see in there? 09/20/2007 18:00:47 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: just one 09/20/2007 18:01:20 PM from melissaH to All Participants: me too, and I've been quitting from there 09/20/2007 18:01:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me too 09/20/2007 18:02:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It won't shut down properly? 09/20/2007 18:02:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: eeep! 09/20/2007 18:03:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it works from eclipse 09/20/2007 18:03:09 PM from melissaH to All Participants: no 09/20/2007 18:03:38 PM from melissaH to All Participants: I get the shut down window (yes/no) but I can't see anything in the box to choose yes. 09/20/2007 18:04:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It works from eclipse??!! 09/20/2007 18:04:30 PM from Erika to All Participants: Melissa I have your same problem 09/20/2007 18:04:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen, please confirm! 09/20/2007 18:04:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi yes 09/20/2007 18:04:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, new plan: 09/20/2007 18:04:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes it works from eclipse 09/20/2007 18:05:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - zip up your OBO-Edit installation directory (where the actual exe files are) 09/20/2007 18:05:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:05:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You'll need to kill any existing OBO-Edit processes to do this. 09/20/2007 18:05:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:05:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Then delete your .oboeditbeta directory again (this will also require you to kill OBO-Edit processes) 09/20/2007 18:05:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:05:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And then reinstall from a clean installer. 09/20/2007 18:06:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:06:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: now? 09/20/2007 18:06:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes. 09/20/2007 18:06:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'm on it 09/20/2007 18:06:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If this works, I want the zipped-up OBO-Edit application folder you made, so I can do some forensics. 09/20/2007 18:06:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:06:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: app zipped 09/20/2007 18:06:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: THAT'S the different between us: this laptop had never had a recent OBO-Edit 2 beta on it. 09/20/2007 18:07:28 PM from Erika to All Participants: John - I saw I have three oboedit.exe active 09/20/2007 18:07:38 PM from Erika to All Participants: I killed two of them 09/20/2007 18:08:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi 09/20/2007 18:08:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: each time I delete one of these thing 09/20/2007 18:08:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it says a process is still using them 09/20/2007 18:08:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but it deletes them anyway 09/20/2007 18:09:17 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh, no it doesn't 09/20/2007 18:09:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: there's a zombie process using 143k of ram 09/20/2007 18:10:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Make sure that Eclipse isn't running anything. 09/20/2007 18:10:10 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That was my problem too. 09/20/2007 18:10:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: eclipse is definately gone 09/20/2007 18:10:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I shut it 09/20/2007 18:10:42 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - restart if you have to, then, or try killing all java's under the Process tab of the task manager. 09/20/2007 18:10:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: weird. still can't delete beta folder 09/20/2007 18:10:53 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Erika - kill all your oboedit.exes. 09/20/2007 18:10:59 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There should not be more than one. 09/20/2007 18:11:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll restart. Back in a bit 09/20/2007 18:11:59 PM from Erika to All Participants: I kill all of them 09/20/2007 18:12:10 PM from Erika to All Participants: and restart OE 09/20/2007 18:12:20 PM from Erika to All Participants: I can load GO 09/20/2007 18:12:25 PM from Erika to All Participants: I turn off reasoner 09/20/2007 18:12:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Excellent. Now we need to wait for Jen to get back to find out if this full deletion worked. 09/20/2007 18:12:52 PM from Erika to All Participants: ok! finger crossed! 09/20/2007 18:14:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: While we're waiting, has anyone else tried to save a file in beta13? 09/20/2007 18:15:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Just hangs when you click "Save As"? 09/20/2007 18:15:38 PM from Erika to All Participants: NO, I haven't 09/20/2007 18:15:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Yep. Nothing else happens, until I get tired of waiting and kill obo-edit 09/20/2007 18:16:56 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ... and i do have to kill it; the quit option isn't available 'cos the whole damn app is hanging. 09/20/2007 18:18:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The good news is that it happens to me too. I think the problem is that the verification manager is running a ton of tests, but the progress bar isn't appearing to tell you about it. 09/20/2007 18:19:32 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I thought that happened later, after the dialog box appeared, but ... 09/20/2007 18:20:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen, are you back? 09/20/2007 18:20:09 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: let me see if it's any better if I turn off some checks on save. 09/20/2007 18:20:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 09/20/2007 18:20:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I have sent you the fiels 09/20/2007 18:20:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: files 09/20/2007 18:20:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: now installing 09/20/2007 18:20:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Wait - 09/20/2007 18:20:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes? 09/20/2007 18:21:09 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I want to make sure it's clear that you need to completely delete the Program Files/OBO-Edit directory before you install. 09/20/2007 18:21:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes I did that 09/20/2007 18:21:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, great. Proceed, then. 09/20/2007 18:21:41 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:22:01 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it set the memory correctly this time 09/20/2007 18:22:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: ! 09/20/2007 18:22:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The suspense is killing me! 09/20/2007 18:23:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hung 09/20/2007 18:23:12 PM from Erika to All Participants: I am doing the same thing Jen is doing 09/20/2007 18:23:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sorry 09/20/2007 18:23:23 PM from Erika to All Participants: finger crossed! 09/20/2007 18:23:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Sigh. 09/20/2007 18:23:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: quite 09/20/2007 18:23:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good that it works from eclipse though :-) 09/20/2007 18:24:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The ONLY reason that it would work from Eclipse and not from the installation directory is that there's something wrong with the installation directory. 09/20/2007 18:24:16 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: In other news, with only the definition check set to run on save, the save dialog is nowhere to be seen, and o-e is stalled. 09/20/2007 18:24:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Do you have special permissions set up on your Program Files directory, Jen? 09/20/2007 18:24:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no 09/20/2007 18:24:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I don't know how to do that 09/20/2007 18:24:57 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (there's something up with the verification system anyway, tho - I put in two bug reports about it) 09/20/2007 18:25:04 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori - don't worry too much about that. I can reproduce it, so I'll find it. 09/20/2007 18:25:10 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:25:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: have you tried to reproduce the verification bugs? 09/20/2007 18:25:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Well, the double-reporting isn't really a bug, exactly. 09/20/2007 18:25:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: you know when an application crashes and it says 'send error report' can we send it to you somehow? 09/20/2007 18:26:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Every disjoint violation really is 2 disjoint violations. So that's more a display problem. 09/20/2007 18:26:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - that's a microsoft-specific dump, so it wouldn't help me. 09/20/2007 18:26:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Well, it's still damned odd (except that it's an even number). 09/20/2007 18:26:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:26:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let me try to use the files Jen sent to reproduce this OBO-Edit bug on windows one more time... 09/20/2007 18:26:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it couldn't be just the the source in eclipse is newer and better could it? 09/20/2007 18:27:05 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I get it, but I think it would make more sense to reprot the number of terms that wiolate disjointness (and that's what 1.x does). 09/20/2007 18:27:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - probably not. I don't have the problem when I install from the packaged installers, either. 09/20/2007 18:27:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:27:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I might pop off soon 09/20/2007 18:27:49 PM from Erika to All Participants: John - I have uninstall all OE version on my PC 09/20/2007 18:27:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: go and have dinner, as it were 09/20/2007 18:27:56 PM from Erika to All Participants: delete all folders 09/20/2007 18:28:08 PM from Erika to All Participants: and all .oboedit and .oboedit folders 09/20/2007 18:28:25 PM from Erika to All Participants: re install it 09/20/2007 18:28:36 PM from Erika to All Participants: if I search 09/20/2007 18:29:14 PM from Erika to All Participants: it seems working because I saw a window with Querying written in it 09/20/2007 18:29:14 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let's wrap this up. I'll use the data I collected from Mel and Jen to try to reproduce the problem. 09/20/2007 18:29:21 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good luck 09/20/2007 18:29:23 PM from Erika to All Participants: ok 09/20/2007 18:29:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Erika - that's a good sign! 09/20/2007 18:29:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does it give you results? 09/20/2007 18:29:38 PM from Erika to All Participants: but I do not have any search result 09/20/2007 18:29:43 PM from Erika to All Participants: no