OE Webex 22Jul08

07/22/2008 09:26:00 AM from Nomi Harris: Good morning 07/22/2008 09:27:12 AM from Jen Deegan: Good morning! 07/22/2008 09:30:06 AM from Jen Deegan: Had a good day Midori? 07/22/2008 09:30:23 AM from midori: Nomi - Just got your email, and yes, I am going to commit a page that uses all of those images. 07/22/2008 09:32:01 AM from Nomi Harris: Great. 07/22/2008 09:32:19 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi Karen. 07/22/2008 09:32:35 AM from Karen: Hi:) 07/22/2008 09:32:46 AM from Nomi Harris: I don't know who else will be at the meeting today. Amina is away. 07/22/2008 09:33:01 AM from Jen Deegan: When does Amina come back? 07/22/2008 09:33:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Wed, I think. 07/22/2008 09:33:10 AM from Jen Deegan: thanks 07/22/2008 09:33:17 AM from Nomi Harris: So I was looking at link search. 07/22/2008 09:33:20 AM from Jen Deegan: I have a thrilling log4j question to ask her. 07/22/2008 09:33:28 AM from Jen Deegan: yes? 07/22/2008 09:33:29 AM from Nomi Harris: It seems to me that OE1 and OE2 behave differently in terms of what they search. 07/22/2008 09:33:49 AM from Nomi Harris: In OE1, it searches even links that are hidden by global link filters; in OE2, it appears not to. 07/22/2008 09:33:55 AM from Nomi Harris: Which makes more sense? 07/22/2008 09:34:36 AM from Jen Deegan: I shouldn't think it matters much does it, as the hidden ones will always be hidden. 07/22/2008 09:34:36 AM from midori: ow. It might depend on whom you ask. 07/22/2008 09:34:59 AM from Nomi Harris: But in OE1, some of the links the search finds are ones that are hidden, so it does matter. 07/22/2008 09:35:05 AM from midori: I mean, I could imagine someone expecting to find anything that's in the ontology ... 07/22/2008 09:35:06 AM from Nomi Harris: In OE2, you get a different answer. 07/22/2008 09:35:29 AM from midori: ... but it's equally plausible to expect only a subset of what's visible. 07/22/2008 09:35:36 AM from Nomi Harris: Actually, I think OE2's link search may be broken, but it does seem to be searching only the objects tha\ t survived the global filtering. 07/22/2008 09:35:50 AM from Nomi Harris: The brokenness is a separate issue. I'm wondering about the desired behavior. 07/22/2008 09:36:35 AM from Jen Deegan: I suppose either all the searches should be affected by the filter or all should not. I imagine that bei\ ng affected by the filter would be the more sophisticated behavior. 07/22/2008 09:36:47 AM from Karen: If there's some debate as to which behavior is desirable, would it be worth considering having a check b\ ox, or options, to choose the behavior you want? 07/22/2008 09:37:07 AM from Jen Deegan: that would mean implementing both, which might take more time. 07/22/2008 09:37:14 AM from Nomi Harris: The link search that was reported to not be working is searching for links that have type that have is i\ ntersection. 07/22/2008 09:37:25 AM from Nomi Harris: In OE2, this is finding nothing. 07/22/2008 09:37:34 AM from Nomi Harris: It turns out that there's a global link filter to hide those links. 07/22/2008 09:37:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Karen, enabling both behaviors would be non-trivial, I'd rather not try to do that right now. 07/22/2008 09:37:49 AM from Jen Deegan: Is anybody very experienced with link searching? 07/22/2008 09:37:57 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm sure not. 07/22/2008 09:38:02 AM from Jen Deegan: I have done very little 07/22/2008 09:38:04 AM from David OS: I've done some. 07/22/2008 09:38:06 AM from Nomi Harris: I think Chris is the local expert. 07/22/2008 09:38:13 AM from Jen Deegan: I use the one to search for redundant links. 07/22/2008 09:38:16 AM from Karen: was just wondering... I found link filtering so difficult in OE1 I avoided it like the plague 07/22/2008 09:38:22 AM from Jen Deegan: me too 07/22/2008 09:38:30 AM from Nomi Harris: You should see how the code works. It's unbelievably complex. 07/22/2008 09:38:37 AM from Jen Deegan: it sound to me as if either behavior would be fine 07/22/2008 09:38:38 AM from midori: I've never done much other than finding redundant links. 07/22/2008 09:38:46 AM from Jen Deegan: unless somebody had anything to say on the subject. 07/22/2008 09:38:53 AM from Nomi Harris: David, is link searching important to you? What kind of link searches do you do? 07/22/2008 09:39:22 AM from David OS: I use the link search as a filter in OE1 07/22/2008 09:39:43 AM from David OS: In OE2, filtering on links seems to be separate. 07/22/2008 09:40:11 AM from David OS: It can be done directly on the tree displays. 07/22/2008 09:40:32 AM from David OS: Works well for graph editor, but think it's broken in OTE in OE2 07/22/2008 09:40:48 AM from Nomi Harris: Do you have examples of the brokenness? 07/22/2008 09:41:26 AM from David OS: Most direct filtering seems to be broken (or unimplemented) in OTE in OE1 07/22/2008 09:41:46 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm interested in examples in OE2 that should work but don't. 07/22/2008 09:42:10 AM from David OS: Sorry - mistyped OTE in OE2 not OE1 07/22/2008 09:42:43 AM from David OS: I think there's a general bug ticket for this - not specifically for link filtering 07/22/2008 09:42:50 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok 07/22/2008 09:43:38 AM from Nomi Harris: David, did you try the reasoner now that Chris has removed the symmetric rule? 07/22/2008 09:43:42 AM from Nomi Harris: It's so much faster! 07/22/2008 09:43:46 AM from David OS: If this can be fixed, then I don't think there's a need for link searching in OE2 - at least not an obvi\ ous one. 07/22/2008 09:44:14 AM from Nomi Harris: I think Chris wanted the link searching fixed, so I should clarify with him what he needs it for. 07/22/2008 09:44:29 AM from Nomi Harris: I spent all day yesterday looking into it, and it's not a trivial one to fix. 07/22/2008 09:44:32 AM from Jen Deegan: It's great for redundancy. 07/22/2008 09:44:39 AM from Nomi Harris: But that does work, right? 07/22/2008 09:44:43 AM from David OS: Yep - I've actually been editing and browsing with the new reasoner. 07/22/2008 09:44:50 AM from midori: Yes, I' m with Jen. 07/22/2008 09:45:02 AM from Nomi Harris: Much better, isn't it, David? 07/22/2008 09:45:13 AM from midori: (and I think it works for finding redundant links, but I haven't tried in a while) 07/22/2008 09:45:53 AM from Jen Deegan: I am just loading. 07/22/2008 09:45:57 AM from David OS: It's a bit slow to get started and I got some prompts telling me memory was running low. But besides that - seems as good as old reasoner. 07/22/2008 09:45:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Did removing your disjoint_from global filter help with the slow text editing? 07/22/2008 09:46:08 AM from Nomi Harris: (That was to midori and Jen) 07/22/2008 09:46:11 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 07/22/2008 09:46:21 AM from Jen Deegan: still about four seconds but much better than 13. 07/22/2008 09:46:42 AM from Nomi Harris: For me it's less than four. 07/22/2008 09:46:54 AM from midori: I'll have to try again -- I think it helped but I've been doing mostly documentation lately, and I don't remember ... 07/22/2008 09:46:54 AM from Nomi Harris: So, about doing a release of 1.101, I can look into it. 07/22/2008 09:47:06 AM from Jen Deegan: Would that depend on the size of the ontology? 07/22/2008 09:47:07 AM from Nomi Harris: When I tried to get the code for 1.101, I think I ended up with 1.100. 07/22/2008 09:47:13 AM from Jen Deegan: great, thanks. 07/22/2008 09:47:18 AM from Jen Deegan: that's weird. 07/22/2008 09:47:20 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, yes, a bigger ontology might slow it down. I did test on GO. 07/22/2008 09:47:28 AM from Jen Deegan: I will load go. 07/22/2008 09:47:30 AM from David OS: One odd problem with new reasoner - redundant links didn't show up - even though they do with the same settings with old reasoner turned on. Will\ submit big report. 07/22/2008 09:47:45 AM from David OS: bug not big ;) 07/22/2008 09:47:52 AM from Nomi Harris: I figured. Though it could be a big bug report. 07/22/2008 09:48:12 AM from David OS: I'll try to keep in small 07/22/2008 09:48:26 AM from Nomi Harris: It's ok. 07/22/2008 09:48:27 AM from Jen Deegan: I am working with a very big file just now and it is making OBO-Edit a bit flaky. 07/22/2008 09:48:45 AM from Nomi Harris: So, did you see one of my change notes for the last release: 07/22/2008 09:48:47 AM from Nomi Harris: Verification checks configured to happen "On text commit" didn't happen (SF bug 2008127)--now they do. This may now be a better choice than "Dur\ ing text edit" for some checks. 07/22/2008 09:48:56 AM from Jen Deegan: yes, great. 07/22/2008 09:49:00 AM from midori: sounds good 07/22/2008 09:49:20 AM from Nomi Harris: I didn't change any of the defaults for that, but let me know if I should. 07/22/2008 09:49:49 AM from Jen Deegan: thanks. 07/22/2008 09:50:07 AM from Nomi Harris: And the rogue "Consider" menus shouldn't be appearing anymore--did you notice a difference? 07/22/2008 09:50:16 AM from Jen Deegan: which were they? 07/22/2008 09:50:29 AM from midori: Yet another thing I haven't had a chance to test ... 07/22/2008 09:50:35 AM from Nomi Harris: Midori wrote: "If I selected and dragged two or more terms, and dropped onto one of them, the consider/replacement menu popped up. It wouldn't mak\ e any sense to assign a term as its own consider or replacement term, so it doesn't make sense for the menu t 07/22/2008 09:50:48 AM from Nomi Harris: to pop up." 07/22/2008 09:51:12 AM from Jen Deegan: complex! 07/22/2008 09:51:20 AM from Jen Deegan: that's good that it doesn't do that now. 07/22/2008 09:51:37 AM from Jen Deegan: I just double-checked and commit is still 4 seconds on GO for me with no reasoner. 07/22/2008 09:51:39 AM from Nomi Harris: So if the link search isn't that important to you guys, I may put that aside for now. What other bugs should I focus on this week? Or should I n\ ext look into doing a 1.101b release? 07/22/2008 09:52:29 AM from Jen Deegan: maybe the obo-edit1 release? 07/22/2008 09:52:43 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok 07/22/2008 09:52:58 AM from Nomi Harris: Is someone else going to commit the new code to it? 07/22/2008 09:53:00 AM from Jen Deegan: Should I send you the code change? 07/22/2008 09:53:02 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok 07/22/2008 09:53:04 AM from Jen Deegan: it's very very small. 07/22/2008 09:53:06 AM from Jen Deegan: ok 07/22/2008 09:53:23 AM from Jen Deegan: I'll do that tomorrow. 07/22/2008 09:53:33 AM from Nomi Harris: Are there any other critical changes/fixes to put in 1.101b while we're at it? (Or will I regret asking that?) 07/22/2008 09:53:38 AM from melissaH: hi, sorry couldn't be here earlier. 07/22/2008 09:53:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi, Melissa. 07/22/2008 09:54:03 AM from Jen Deegan: no I don't think there are any. 07/22/2008 09:54:51 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok. 07/22/2008 09:54:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Melissa, any bugs to report or other things to discuss? 07/22/2008 09:56:03 AM from melissaH: hmm, I guess the only thing I wanted to think about was the selection behavior. 07/22/2008 09:56:20 AM from Nomi Harris: Selection behavior? 07/22/2008 09:56:39 AM from melissaH: meaning, the best way to have two tree editors open, and use the select button from the search box. 07/22/2008 09:56:57 AM from Nomi Harris: What select button? 07/22/2008 09:56:57 AM from Jen Deegan: which button? 07/22/2008 09:57:11 AM from melissaH: (what we were discussing two weeks ago- not sure if we decided what the best behavior is 07/22/2008 09:57:21 AM from melissaH: from the search window 07/22/2008 09:57:25 AM from Jen Deegan: can you remind us? 07/22/2008 09:57:38 AM from melissaH: well basically if you click on a term (and have the select terms box checked) 07/22/2008 09:57:42 AM from Nomi Harris: The way it now works is that if you put one OTE into global selection mode, the other(s) go into local selection mode. 07/22/2008 09:58:06 AM from Jen Deegan: is it the loca/global button you mean? 07/22/2008 09:58:23 AM from melissaH: well, i just find myself clicking back and forth from local to global. 07/22/2008 09:58:38 AM from Jen Deegan: is that bad? 07/22/2008 09:58:41 AM from melissaH: but there might not be a better way, though we also talked about the screen lock button 07/22/2008 09:59:05 AM from Nomi Harris: I thought we decided locking wasn't so important if we got the global/local thing working. 07/22/2008 09:59:30 AM from Jen Deegan: that's what I find. 07/22/2008 09:59:37 AM from melissaH: I think so 07/22/2008 09:59:41 AM from Jen Deegan: are you having a problem Melissa? 07/22/2008 09:59:45 AM from midori: I vaguely recall deciding that one-global-OTE and lock did slightly different things, addressing slightly different needs. 07/22/2008 10:00:11 AM from midori: But I could probably get along fine without lock ... 07/22/2008 10:00:11 AM from Jen Deegan: I've been getting on fine without lock this week 07/22/2008 10:00:17 AM from Nomi Harris: I tried to fix the lock, but didn't manage to. 07/22/2008 10:00:48 AM from Jen Deegan: the only thing I've noticed is that the button is small and hard to aim for every 8 seconds. 07/22/2008 10:00:50 AM from melissaH: yes, I just wanted to be sure if there were other use cases that hadn't been met 07/22/2008 10:00:54 AM from Karen: I think the behavior in OE1 was about the same as the new OE2 behavior. You had to keep changing which was local and which was global as you wante\ d to change what was in a given window, and I also recall that the lock did something different 07/22/2008 10:01:24 AM from Jen Deegan: the difference now is that you can have both on local but I am getting on okay with that. 07/22/2008 10:01:56 AM from Jen Deegan: I'm finding it all very good. 07/22/2008 10:02:02 AM from Nomi Harris: Yay! 07/22/2008 10:02:06 AM from Jen Deegan:  :-) 07/22/2008 10:02:15 AM from Jen Deegan: very very nice to edit with. 07/22/2008 10:02:24 AM from Jen Deegan: I am editing with only obo_edit 2 now. 07/22/2008 10:02:31 AM from Nomi Harris: Excellent! 07/22/2008 10:02:33 AM from melissaH: yes, we are about to switch over now too. 07/22/2008 10:02:42 AM from Jen Deegan: success! 07/22/2008 10:02:50 AM from Nomi Harris: So what do you see as the biggest remaining bugs? 07/22/2008 10:02:54 AM from Jen Deegan: must fedex chocolates to Nomi and Amina. 07/22/2008 10:02:56 AM from midori: Interesting; last time I tried real-life editing I got really frustrated. 07/22/2008 10:03:07 AM from Jen Deegan: speed is the biggest thing. 07/22/2008 10:03:09 AM from melissaH: I work on small ontologies 07/22/2008 10:03:18 AM from midori: I'll try again with b42. 07/22/2008 10:03:20 AM from Jen Deegan: I am working on a huge file just now too. 07/22/2008 10:03:31 AM from Nomi Harris: Yeah, speed is a tough one. 07/22/2008 10:03:45 AM from Jen Deegan: is there anything that I can do to try to figure out the problems? 07/22/2008 10:03:47 AM from Nomi Harris: I did some profiling and didn't find any big easy speedups. 07/22/2008 10:04:04 AM from Jen Deegan: I wondered about doing editing with the profiler working. 07/22/2008 10:04:08 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, just what you're doing--telling me about situations where you notice major slowness and sending me your config files and ontology files. 07/22/2008 10:04:19 AM from Jen Deegan: oh great. I'll do that. 07/22/2008 10:04:28 AM from Nomi Harris: When Amina finishes fixing the filtered save bug, maybe she and I will look some more at profiling. 07/22/2008 10:04:47 AM from midori: I have some editing to do tomorrrow, so I'll try using OE2 for it. 07/22/2008 10:04:57 AM from Jen Deegan: that ctrl/shift thing was very odd wasn't it? 07/22/2008 10:05:10 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes, I couldn't reproduce that and am puzzled by it. 07/22/2008 10:05:15 AM from midori: wha'?? 07/22/2008 10:05:24 AM from David OS: Would be great to have filtered save before full release. 07/22/2008 10:05:32 AM from Jen Deegan: when I select four terms in the OTE with ctrl-click the application flips out. 07/22/2008 10:05:35 AM from David OS: Sorry to sound like a stuck record.\ 07/22/2008 10:05:37 AM from Jen Deegan: but not with shift click. 07/22/2008 10:05:47 AM from Nomi Harris: David, that is what Amina is working on. She's out of town until Wed. 07/22/2008 10:05:58 AM from Jen Deegan: I think we don't need to worry about release yet. 07/22/2008 10:06:17 AM from midori: David - I agree. I don't do filtered saves much, but it's an important thing to be able to od. 07/22/2008 10:06:39 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, have you ever seen the behavior Jen reported? Ctrl-click to select four things in OTE, then do right-click to get menu, and it starts thr\ ashing? 07/22/2008 10:06:43 AM from Nomi Harris: I haven't gotten it to happen. 07/22/2008 10:06:46 AM from midori: ... er, thing to *do*. (so's typing ..) 07/22/2008 10:06:55 AM from Nomi Harris: And I don't see why ctrl-click would be different from shift-click. 07/22/2008 10:07:09 AM from Jen Deegan: when I ctrl-click I choose non-adjacent terms. 07/22/2008 10:07:25 AM from Jen Deegan: it seems very significant to me, just for being so weird. 07/22/2008 10:07:27 AM from midori: Nomi - Can't be sure I've tried exactly what Jen did; I will try, and let you know what happens. 07/22/2008 10:07:50 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, which file were you working on? 07/22/2008 10:08:02 AM from David OS: I often use ctrl-click to select non-adjacent terms and have never seen this. Perhaps platform specific? 07/22/2008 10:08:13 AM from Jen Deegan: I just tried it on the GO file and it has the bug. 07/22/2008 10:08:18 AM from Jen Deegan: maybe 07/22/2008 10:08:28 AM from midori: loading GO now ... 07/22/2008 10:08:43 AM from melissaH: so, testing the global/local problem on b42. I think I might still need the lock button, or maybe I'm not being very saavy 07/22/2008 10:08:45 AM from Nomi Harris: Are you doing this on Windows, Jen? 07/22/2008 10:08:52 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 07/22/2008 10:08:59 AM from Jen Deegan: do you think it could be the serial redraw? 07/22/2008 10:09:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Can you try it on Mac and see if you get the behavior? It all works ok for me on Mac. 07/22/2008 10:09:17 AM from Jen Deegan: it's like when I click several terms one after the other and then the crazy menus appear. 07/22/2008 10:09:18 AM from Nomi Harris: And I tried it with your config directory. 07/22/2008 10:09:23 AM from Jen Deegan: yes I'll try it. 07/22/2008 10:09:24 AM from Nomi Harris: The crazy menus? 07/22/2008 10:09:31 AM from midori: I've seen a lot of thrashing in betas 39-41 on a Mac, but haven't noticed any correlation with ctrl- vs shift-click. 07/22/2008 10:09:49 AM from Jen Deegan: yes when I just single click terms and the right click menus appear unbidden 07/22/2008 10:09:52 AM from Nomi Harris: Oh, you mean when it acts like you dragged when you don't think you dragged, Jen? 07/22/2008 10:09:54 AM from Jen Deegan: it's like that. 07/22/2008 10:09:57 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 07/22/2008 10:10:10 AM from Jen Deegan: it's exactly the same 07/22/2008 10:10:11 AM from Nomi Harris: I suspect that it's busy thinking so it doesn't have time to notice that you released the mouse before moving it. 07/22/2008 10:10:14 AM from Jen Deegan: but with ctrl held down 07/22/2008 10:10:21 AM from Jen Deegan: yes that would be it. 07/22/2008 10:10:31 AM from Nomi Harris: I looked to see if there was some way to make it less drag-sensitive but couldn't find any parameters that would affect that. 07/22/2008 10:10:40 AM from midori: Well, I just shift-clicked to select 5 terms in an OTE on local select, which went fine ... 07/22/2008 10:10:40 AM from Jen Deegan: I don't think it's that. 07/22/2008 10:10:47 AM from Nomi Harris: I did try to make it detect bogus drags (e.g. dragging back onto self) and not react to those. 07/22/2008 10:10:57 AM from midori: but then OE lost the selection when I changed the OTE to global select. 07/22/2008 10:11:03 AM from Jen Deegan: I think maybe it is redrawing really intensively or something. 07/22/2008 10:11:11 AM from Nomi Harris: Sounds like maybe it's Windows-specific? 07/22/2008 10:11:17 AM from Jen Deegan: yes maybe. 07/22/2008 10:11:21 AM from Jen Deegan: I will check on the mac. 07/22/2008 10:11:25 AM from Nomi Harris: Melissa, maybe you can try it--load GO and then ctrl-click four things in the OTE. 07/22/2008 10:11:31 AM from Nomi Harris: (Melissa is on Windows.) 07/22/2008 10:11:32 AM from Jen Deegan: whatever it does when I click it's thinks really hard abotu it. 07/22/2008 10:11:57 AM from Nomi Harris: Jen, also, you have a lot of components open--try closing some of them and see if that makes a difference. 07/22/2008 10:12:02 AM from midori: happily ctrl-clicking several terms (more than 4) with no thrashing 07/22/2008 10:12:06 AM from melissaH: it lets me do it 07/22/2008 10:12:36 AM from Jen Deegan: It's the same with only one OTE and nothing else. 07/22/2008 10:12:57 AM from midori: I should see how it goes after OE's been running a while. For a long time/many betas now, I've seen performance degrade over time. 07/22/2008 10:13:10 AM from Nomi Harris: I think that's probably because of memory leaks. 07/22/2008 10:13:10 AM from melissaH: but sometimes requires a number of clicks 07/22/2008 10:13:22 AM from melissaH: I'm doing it on the OTE 07/22/2008 10:13:31 AM from midori: The CPU spikes I reported for b40 (or thereabouts) would crop up after a little while, not immediately. 07/22/2008 10:13:37 AM from Nomi Harris: So weird that only Jen is having the problem. Jen, did you try moving your config directory out of the way and starting fresh? 07/22/2008 10:13:43 AM from Jen Deegan: Oddly the rogue menus are much much better now. 07/22/2008 10:13:46 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, are you still seeing the CPU spikes? 07/22/2008 10:13:52 AM from melissaH: other times I get the menus popping up 07/22/2008 10:14:35 AM from Jen Deegan: I will try moving my config directory. 07/22/2008 10:14:44 AM from midori: 5 min spike-free so far ... must test more, though. 07/22/2008 10:15:01 AM from Jen Deegan: It happens immediately with me. 07/22/2008 10:15:15 AM from Nomi Harris: The problem with selecting four things happens immediately with you? 07/22/2008 10:15:22 AM from midori: Re rogue 'consider' menu -- looks fine now (dragging terms onto one of the terms now does nothing, as expected). 07/22/2008 10:15:23 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 07/22/2008 10:15:26 AM from Nomi Harris: Weird. 07/22/2008 10:15:35 AM from Nomi Harris: Maybe you and midori can try it together and compare notes. 07/22/2008 10:15:41 AM from Nomi Harris: You'll try it on a Mac, right? 07/22/2008 10:15:43 AM from midori: does it matter which four things? 07/22/2008 10:16:08 AM from Jen Deegan: yes I'll try tomorrow. 07/22/2008 10:16:14 AM from Jen Deegan: any four things are the same. 07/22/2008 10:16:23 AM from midori: I've just tried on a few function terms with only one path each. 07/22/2008 10:16:30 AM from midori: ah, so much for that idea, then. 07/22/2008 10:16:33 AM from melissaH: my problem is once I have four things selected, its hard to unselect or do anything with them. 07/22/2008 10:16:44 AM from Jen Deegan: same with new config and fresh restart. 07/22/2008 10:17:16 AM from Jen Deegan: mine selects two immediately but the third and fourth take time. 07/22/2008 10:17:17 AM from Nomi Harris: That is very odd. Especially since Melissa is not seeing that behavior on Windows. Maybe your Windows box is cursed, Jen. 07/22/2008 10:17:23 AM from Nomi Harris: I think it's a sign that you should switch to Mac.:-) 07/22/2008 10:17:29 AM from Jen Deegan: definately. 07/22/2008 10:17:34 AM from midori: hmm, still takes noticeable longer to add a new term than in OE1 07/22/2008 10:17:36 AM from Jen Deegan: are you on xp home melissa? 07/22/2008 10:17:39 AM from Nomi Harris: (Although it's good to have someone testing on Windows, since some of our poor users are stuck on Windows.) 07/22/2008 10:17:39 AM from melissaH: I am not sure what behavior Jen is seeing though- what does thrashing mean? 07/22/2008 10:18:01 AM from Jen Deegan: I hold ctrl and click four terms and it thinks for a long time before makign them blue. 07/22/2008 10:18:01 AM from midori: DAMMIT! 07/22/2008 10:18:08 AM from Nomi Harris: It is taking a very long time for her to get the right-mouse popup menu to come up, and in the meantime, her machine is thinking hard and running its fan. 07/22/2008 10:18:12 AM from melissaH: I'm on xp pro 07/22/2008 10:18:17 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, what? 07/22/2008 10:18:37 AM from midori: Got autocommit off. Just added a term, hit commit, clicked on a new term, and got the "uncommitted text edits" message!!! 07/22/2008 10:18:40 AM from melissaH: yes it does that for me too- I have to wait in between each term 07/22/2008 10:18:42 AM from Jen Deegan: once John found that I was the only one with a bug because I had xp home 07/22/2008 10:19:13 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, I will look into that. 07/22/2008 10:19:25 AM from Nomi Harris: I wasn't getting that message, but I will see if I can make it happen. 07/22/2008 10:19:36 AM from midori: Harold reported it too, a beta or two ago. 07/22/2008 10:19:54 AM from Nomi Harris: I thought it might have been fixed by some changes I made in the Text Editor in b42. 07/22/2008 10:19:59 AM from David OS: I can happily select 10 terms with ctrl-clik. However, if I try to move them to another term I get that weird 'Add consider or replace prompt' 07/22/2008 10:20:05 AM from Jen Deegan: actually Tim has xp home, maybe I could test on his machine. 07/22/2008 10:20:56 AM from melissaH: ok, so my selection problem..... I often search for something and then only want to find it in one of my OTEs. I want to keep the other one where it is. but every time I switch from local to global, it goes to the primary selected term. does this mean that I need a lock button? 07/22/2008 10:21:16 AM from midori: If I tell the annoying pop-up to abandon the text edits I've just made (and committed), they stick .... i.e. the edits got committed correctly, but the message popped up anyway. 07/22/2008 10:21:46 AM from Jen Deegan: are you on b42 Melissa? 07/22/2008 10:21:50 AM from Nomi Harris: That's annoying, midori. 07/22/2008 10:21:53 AM from melissaH: yes 07/22/2008 10:21:56 AM from Nomi Harris: I will look at that today. 07/22/2008 10:21:59 AM from Jen Deegan: I'll check too. 07/22/2008 10:22:31 AM from midori: this is in b41 and b42 (just switched over to b42 at home today) 07/22/2008 10:23:01 AM from Jen Deegan: I don't have that problem in b42. 07/22/2008 10:23:10 AM from Jen Deegan: Melissa's 07/22/2008 10:23:21 AM from midori: oh yay, personalized bugs again 07/22/2008 10:24:05 AM from Jen Deegan: the best kind. 07/22/2008 10:24:15 AM from Nomi Harris: They're so *special*. 07/22/2008 10:24:30 AM from Jen Deegan:  :-) 07/22/2008 10:24:44 AM from Nomi Harris: Are we done for today? 07/22/2008 10:24:47 AM from Jen Deegan: they joke about debigging java in each OS, but each machine is going a bit far. 07/22/2008 10:24:58 AM from Jen Deegan: yes I would think so. Dinner beckons. 07/22/2008 10:25:08 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok, thanks for coming, bye! 07/22/2008 10:25:10 AM from Jen Deegan: Thanks for all your work Nomi. 07/22/2008 10:25:14 AM from Jen Deegan: cheerio.