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05/27/2008 09:32:07 AM from midori: made it! 05/27/2008 09:32:14 AM from Nomi Harris: Yay! 05/27/2008 09:32:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Sorry about that. 05/27/2008 09:32:43 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi, Amina! 05/27/2008 09:32:47 AM from midori: hi 05/27/2008 09:33:03 AM from Amina: hi Nomi and Midori 05/27/2008 09:34:22 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi Alex 05/27/2008 09:34:53 AM from Alexander Diehl: Hi Nomi, I'll be mostly lurking, I'm afraid. 05/27/2008 09:34:59 AM from Amina: hi Ed and Alex 05/27/2008 09:34:59 AM from Nomi Harris: No problem. 05/27/2008 09:35:00 AM from Ed: Morning. 05/27/2008 09:35:01 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi Ed. 05/27/2008 09:35:15 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, do you know if Jen is coming? 05/27/2008 09:35:52 AM from midori: Not user, but I don't know of any reason why she wouldn't. 05/27/2008 09:35:59 AM from midori: er, "not sure" ... 05/27/2008 09:36:22 AM from Nomi Harris: We'll give her another minute 05/27/2008 09:38:18 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok, let's just start. 05/27/2008 09:38:19 AM from Alexander Diehl: Do people ever notice differences between the two built in reasoners. The newer one hangs in a loop for me. 05/27/2008 09:38:22 AM from Alexander Diehl: ? 05/27/2008 09:38:26 AM from Nomi Harris: The newer one is a lot slower. 05/27/2008 09:38:34 AM from midori: I haven't done much with either reasoner lately ... 05/27/2008 09:38:42 AM from Nomi Harris: John revealed the probable reason for that in a discussion last week: 05/27/2008 09:38:47 AM from Nomi Harris: the old one didn't actually work. 05/27/2008 09:38:51 AM from Alexander Diehl: It completes then OBO-Edit keeps running the processor full out. 05/27/2008 09:38:56 AM from Jen Deegan: sorry I'm late 05/27/2008 09:39:05 AM from Nomi Harris: Hi Jen! 05/27/2008 09:39:09 AM from Jen Deegan: Hi! 05/27/2008 09:39:26 AM from Alexander Diehl: The program becomes unresponsive. 05/27/2008 09:39:28 AM from Nomi Harris: Alex, the new one does often make my computer thrash, although it does complete if you have a small ontology. 05/27/2008 09:39:29 AM from Amina: Hi Jen 05/27/2008 09:39:39 AM from Jen Deegan: Hi Amina! 05/27/2008 09:39:45 AM from Nomi Harris: We know the reasoner is problematic and it's definitely high on the list to fix. 05/27/2008 09:39:51 AM from Alexander Diehl: I'm using a subset of the SO, with a limited number of terms. 05/27/2008 09:39:56 AM from Nomi Harris: However, it's not going to be a simple bug fix. 05/27/2008 09:40:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Really, a subset of the SO and it's not returning? That's odd. Can you send me the file? 05/27/2008 09:40:15 AM from Amina: Alex could you please post a bug report with details of what you were doing and the name of the dataset 05/27/2008 09:40:32 AM from Amina: o ok 05/27/2008 09:40:42 AM from Nomi Harris: Please send me and Amina the actual dataset. Often people post the name of the dataset but I'm not sure where to get one 05/27/2008 09:40:49 AM from Nomi Harris: or whether it's the same as the one they used. 05/27/2008 09:41:11 AM from Alexander Diehl: sure 05/27/2008 09:41:26 AM from Nomi Harris: Was this with b39? 05/27/2008 09:41:29 AM from Alexander Diehl: yes 05/27/2008 09:41:47 AM from Nomi Harris: midori, did you try b39? I was wondering if you liked the new menus. 05/27/2008 09:42:09 AM from midori: Downloaded and installed just minutes ago ... hang on, I'll fire it up. 05/27/2008 09:42:37 AM from Nomi Harris: When you guys get a chance, can you try the Text Editor and see if you see Erika's bug (can't commit changes)? 05/27/2008 09:42:41 AM from Nomi Harris: I haven't been able to reproduce it. 05/27/2008 09:42:53 AM from midori: I could swear the text editor worked in b38 ... 05/27/2008 09:43:09 AM from Jen Deegan: is that witht he commit button or autocommit? 05/27/2008 09:43:16 AM from Nomi Harris: Commit button. 05/27/2008 09:43:20 AM from midori: works with commit button for me 05/27/2008 09:43:23 AM from Nomi Harris: Me too. 05/27/2008 09:43:40 AM from midori: (b38, that is; waiting for b39 to start up) 05/27/2008 09:43:49 AM from Nomi Harris: I'll suggest that she wipe her config directory and try again. 05/27/2008 09:44:00 AM from Nomi Harris: (BTW, there is now a button to let you do that from the Config Manager) 05/27/2008 09:44:14 AM from Nomi Harris: Does it really take that long to start up, midori? 05/27/2008 09:44:39 AM from Jen Deegan: commit works for me. 05/27/2008 09:45:22 AM from midori: did this time; might be the other stuff I have running, since it was slower than usual. I'l lsquawk if it persists in taking so long. 05/27/2008 09:45:40 AM from Nomi Harris: For me, the startup time has not changed. 05/27/2008 09:45:53 AM from Nomi Harris: Are you running any Office programs? Those make everything slow down on my mac. 05/27/2008 09:46:01 AM from Nomi Harris: (Word, Powerpoint, Excel) 05/27/2008 09:46:02 AM from Alexander Diehl: Startup time seems normal to me. 05/27/2008 09:46:02 AM from midori: text editor working fine with commit button 05/27/2008 09:46:13 AM from Nomi Harris: Good. So Erika must have just gotten in some weird state. 05/27/2008 09:46:31 AM from midori: i don't even have any MS software on this machine :) 05/27/2008 09:46:31 AM from Jen Deegan: is she on linux? 05/27/2008 09:47:09 AM from midori: but I have got two web browsers, gnucash, four terminal windows ... too much infor mation! 05/27/2008 09:47:18 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes, she's on linux. 05/27/2008 09:47:29 AM from Nomi Harris: (Erika, that is.) 05/27/2008 09:47:32 AM from Jen Deegan: is anybody able to test on linux? 05/27/2008 09:47:45 AM from Jen Deegan: I don't have a linux setup just now 05/27/2008 09:47:54 AM from Nomi Harris: Amina has linux. 05/27/2008 09:47:59 AM from Jen Deegan: great 05/27/2008 09:48:33 AM from Amina: I'm on the mac right now so i cant demo 05/27/2008 09:48:39 AM from midori: just quit & restarted b39 ... second startup at least as fast as ever 05/27/2008 09:48:41 AM from Alexander Diehl: (BTW, reasoning over the full SO with new reasoner and it doesn't get past 1% at all. The Computer is running full out with fans blowing, one processor maxed. It could be the SO itself, of course) ) 05/27/2008 09:48:41 AM from Amina: but it works for me 05/27/2008 09:48:44 AM from Nomi Harris: Amina couldn't run WebEx on linux. 05/27/2008 09:49:03 AM from Nomi Harris: Alex, I'm pretty sure I've successfully reasoned over SO. I'll look into it. 05/27/2008 09:49:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Maybe you need more memory. 05/27/2008 09:49:25 AM from Alexander Diehl: I am getting older, it's true. 05/27/2008 09:49:32 AM from Nomi Harris: :-) 05/27/2008 09:49:34 AM from Alexander Diehl: (@ GB) 05/27/2008 09:49:37 AM from Nomi Harris: Hey, speaking of memory, 05/27/2008 09:49:41 AM from Amina: I tried so some test cases with the SO file.. new reasoner works for me 05/27/2008 09:49:41 AM from Alexander Diehl: (2 GB) 05/27/2008 09:49:44 AM from midori: what were we talking about ?? ;) 05/27/2008 09:49:54 AM from Nomi Harris: have others noticed that the OBO flat file loader is not remembering what you loaded last? 05/27/2008 09:50:07 AM from Nomi Harris: At some point, that stopped working for me. 05/27/2008 09:50:14 AM from Jen Deegan: mine is 05/27/2008 09:50:19 AM from midori: it just did remember for me, between my two b39 starts 05/27/2008 09:50:25 AM from Nomi Harris: So yours offers you the path of the last file you loaded? 05/27/2008 09:50:39 AM from midori: yup 05/27/2008 09:50:42 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 05/27/2008 09:50:43 AM from Alexander Diehl: I think mine is remembering. 05/27/2008 09:50:47 AM from Nomi Harris: Hmm. I wonder why it's not with me. 05/27/2008 09:51:05 AM from Nomi Harris: Guess I need to remove my oboeditbeta again 05/27/2008 09:51:05 AM from midori: at long last, one of the special personalized bugs has bit you! 05/27/2008 09:51:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Oh, I get plenty of personalized bugs! 05/27/2008 09:51:24 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm special, too! 05/27/2008 09:51:31 AM from Jen Deegan: Congratulations! 05/27/2008 09:51:49 AM from Amina: alex I'll test the new reasoner with the SO dataset again... 2GB should be sufficient 05/27/2008 09:51:55 AM from Nomi Harris: By the way, "oboeditbeta" is no longer .oboeditbeta. It's now in a different place on different operating systems. 05/27/2008 09:52:16 AM from Nomi Harris: I have mixed feelings about this, but it was the consensus decision. 05/27/2008 09:52:18 AM from Jen Deegan: Yes that is working fine for me 05/27/2008 09:52:28 AM from Nomi Harris: Did it offer to copy over your old .oboeditbeta files? 05/27/2008 09:52:33 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 05/27/2008 09:52:38 AM from Jen Deegan: even in eclipse 05/27/2008 09:52:40 AM from midori: So + new reasoner made it to 53% quickly for me, but has been stucj there for a couple minutes (and counting) 05/27/2008 09:52:52 AM from Alexander Diehl: I copied the .oboeditbeta preference when the program asked about it, can I trash the .oboeditbeta directory now? 05/27/2008 09:53:01 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes 05/27/2008 09:53:16 AM from Nomi Harris: In fact, that's a good idea, so you don't accidentally get confused and look at the old config files there 05/27/2008 09:53:24 AM from Nomi Harris: when they are no longer being used by OE. 05/27/2008 09:53:32 AM from Alexander Diehl: (I had to force quit OE to get back good responsiveness -- never got past 1%) 05/27/2008 09:53:47 AM from Nomi Harris: That's not so good. 05/27/2008 09:53:53 AM from Nomi Harris: We'll investigate. 05/27/2008 09:54:17 AM from Nomi Harris: Maybe at some point Ed can take a look at the reasoner. 05/27/2008 09:54:17 AM from Amina: yes this is reasoner bug week! 05/27/2008 09:54:28 AM from Alexander Diehl: I'll send the files I'm using. I just downloaded SO last week again, but could also try a new copy. 05/27/2008 09:54:40 AM from midori: still 53% ... 05/27/2008 09:54:51 AM from Nomi Harris: I'd also try quitting some of your other applications that use a lot of memory 05/27/2008 09:54:59 AM from midori: (not the most up-to-date SO ...) 05/27/2008 09:55:11 AM from Nomi Harris: such as web browsers, Eclipse, any drawing programs (Photoshop, etc) 05/27/2008 09:55:57 AM from Alexander Diehl: Of course, I often need to be referencing things in other programs when I am using OE, so running it by itself is not the nest solution. 05/27/2008 09:56:02 AM from Amina: my second test its stuck at 3% 05/27/2008 09:56:04 AM from Alexander Diehl: best 05/27/2008 09:56:07 AM from Nomi Harris: Sure, I agree 05/27/2008 09:56:13 AM from Nomi Harris: We definitely need to fix the reasoner. 05/27/2008 09:56:22 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm just suggesting ways you might try right now to see if it can complete. 05/27/2008 09:56:30 AM from Amina: I'll look into it today 05/27/2008 09:56:35 AM from Ed: Yeah, I'll take a look at the reasoner. I'll also look at any memory leaks. 05/27/2008 09:56:37 AM from Alexander Diehl: Sure, I understand. 05/27/2008 09:56:42 AM from Nomi Harris: Besides the reasoner, are there other bugs that are particularly bugging you this week? 05/27/2008 09:56:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Thanks, Ed. 05/27/2008 09:57:02 AM from Nomi Harris: Did you find a good tool for finding memory leaks? 05/27/2008 09:57:36 AM from Ed: I'm thinking that for now, I'll just use the builtin Java tools for memory profiling. 05/27/2008 09:57:54 AM from Tanya Berardini: sorry I'm so very late (commuting issues) 05/27/2008 09:57:58 AM from Ed: There are some tricks you can use to help spot memory leaks, although it might not be enough (in which case I'll have to find a more rigorous tool). 05/27/2008 09:58:12 AM from Nomi Harris: That's ok, Tanya. 05/27/2008 09:58:21 AM from Nomi Harris: Did you try the new menus in b39? 05/27/2008 09:58:54 AM from Ed: And I figured that the fastest solution once I locate the memory issues is to use weak references. 05/27/2008 09:58:55 AM from Tanya Berardini: no 05/27/2008 09:58:58 AM from midori: yes, just one or two. Nice. 05/27/2008 09:59:00 AM from Tanya Berardini: just downloaded the beta 05/27/2008 09:59:13 AM from Alexander Diehl: yes (to the menus) 05/27/2008 09:59:30 AM from Ed: Or soft references. I'll have to analyze if that leaked memory is really never accessed again. 05/27/2008 09:59:33 AM from Nomi Harris: Good. I like the new menus--it's nice not having to hold the mouse down so much. 05/27/2008 10:00:02 AM from Amina: sounds good Ed let me know if I can help 05/27/2008 10:00:16 AM from Nomi Harris: Anything else to discuss today? 05/27/2008 10:00:33 AM from Amina: I had some questions for David - 05/27/2008 10:00:42 AM from Amina: I couldnt reproduce his reasoner bugs 05/27/2008 10:00:43 AM from Nomi Harris: David's not here, though. 05/27/2008 10:00:55 AM from Nomi Harris: I couldn't reproduce them, either. 05/27/2008 10:00:57 AM from Nomi Harris: He might be out of town. 05/27/2008 10:00:59 AM from Jen Deegan: If anybody wants to have a shot of the obomerge feature I'd be keen to hear bug reports. 05/27/2008 10:01:06 AM from Amina: yeah.. I was wondering if anyone else could 05/27/2008 10:01:29 AM from Alexander Diehl: By the way, at the NIAID Cell Ontology workshop two weeks ago, people really loved the OBO_Edit graph editor display. 05/27/2008 10:01:44 AM from Nomi Harris: Buggy though it is? 05/27/2008 10:02:10 AM from Jen Deegan: Colin Batchelor at the RSc was also enthusing to me about it. 05/27/2008 10:02:21 AM from Alexander Diehl: We didn't hit any bugs, but we were not editing with the graph editor, just displaying terms with it. 05/27/2008 10:03:06 AM from Jen Deegan: Colin is also keen on the image plugin that Alex reminded us of the other week 05/27/2008 10:03:19 AM from Jen Deegan: for displaying chemical structures 05/27/2008 10:03:28 AM from Nomi Harris: Is there any reason not to just add the image plugin to the standard distribution? 05/27/2008 10:03:36 AM from Nomi Harris: Why did John make it a plugin and not just part of OE2? 05/27/2008 10:03:45 AM from Alexander Diehl: I use all the time for that myself. And I set one of the other attendee up with the image plugin too. 05/27/2008 10:03:52 AM from Jen Deegan: I think it would be good to add it 05/27/2008 10:04:19 AM from Nomi Harris: I think I'll do that for the next release. 05/27/2008 10:04:27 AM from Alexander Diehl: I think John didn't want it to slow down the release of OE2 -- but that is a moot point now. 05/27/2008 10:04:30 AM from Nomi Harris: We should get some images to include with it, to show what it does. 05/27/2008 10:04:30 AM from midori: Nomi - I think it's just that it was experimental, not that it couldn't or shouldn't eventually become a component. 05/27/2008 10:04:44 AM from Nomi Harris: Well, it probably has bugs, but so do other useful components. 05/27/2008 10:04:55 AM from Alexander Diehl: I haven't seen a bug yet. 05/27/2008 10:04:57 AM from Nomi Harris: Do you guys have some good term images I could include? 05/27/2008 10:04:58 AM from Jen Deegan: it comes with two images I think 05/27/2008 10:05:03 AM from midori: if it's included, we might remember to test it ... 05/27/2008 10:05:15 AM from Jen Deegan: I haven't seen any bugs 05/27/2008 10:05:20 AM from Nomi Harris: I'll include it in the next release. 05/27/2008 10:05:29 AM from Nomi Harris: By the way, I'll be away the week of June 14. 05/27/2008 10:05:29 AM from Alexander Diehl: Great 05/27/2008 10:05:32 AM from Jen Deegan: great :-) 05/27/2008 10:05:48 AM from Alexander Diehl: (great to the image plugin) 05/27/2008 10:05:58 AM from Nomi Harris: Ah. I was wondering why it was great that I would be away. :-) 05/27/2008 10:06:05 AM from Jen Deegan: I think the instructions are on the wiki but not the help guide 05/27/2008 10:06:21 AM from Jen Deegan: I'll just look for them 05/27/2008 10:06:24 AM from Nomi Harris: The instructions are for installing the plugin. 05/27/2008 10:06:40 AM from Nomi Harris: They won't be necessary when I include it with the distribution. 05/27/2008 10:06:50 AM from Nomi Harris: We'll need a help page for the image plugin. 05/27/2008 10:06:54 AM from Jen Deegan: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit:_Installing_the_Term_Image_Plugin 05/27/2008 10:07:03 AM from Nomi Harris: Speaking of which, some of the component help pages are pretty minimal, e.g. the one for the Graph Editor 05/27/2008 10:07:04 AM from Jen Deegan: that's what I mean 05/27/2008 10:07:27 AM from Jen Deegan: we need to do a blitz when people have time 05/27/2008 10:07:37 AM from Jen Deegan: we take a topic each until they are all done 05/27/2008 10:07:52 AM from Nomi Harris: I did some work on the help pages last week, but need to do more. 05/27/2008 10:08:08 AM from Jen Deegan: the image plugin instructions on the wiki I meant are the ones about how to add images 05/27/2008 10:08:09 AM from Nomi Harris: Do you forsee a time coming up when you might be able to spend some time working on them? 05/27/2008 10:08:37 AM from Jen Deegan: my priorities can be changed :-) 05/27/2008 10:08:46 AM from Jen Deegan: Midori what do you think? 05/27/2008 10:08:55 AM from midori: july and august don't look too bad for me 05/27/2008 10:09:04 AM from Jen Deegan: me neither 05/27/2008 10:09:25 AM from Nomi Harris: But June is bad? 05/27/2008 10:09:54 AM from Jen Deegan: June is not awful for me either 05/27/2008 10:10:25 AM from Nomi Harris: If you decide to do extensive work on any help pages, just email the group to alert them so no one else works on those pages. 05/27/2008 10:10:38 AM from midori: june is getting full ... I have to work on the protease activity terms, which fills me with dread. But ifhat goes better than I expect, the end of June may become available. 05/27/2008 10:10:42 AM from Jen Deegan: I think it would be best if the whole group was mobilized about the same time 05/27/2008 10:10:54 AM from Jen Deegan: that is how we did it last time and it worked well 05/27/2008 10:11:03 AM from Jen Deegan: if we leave it to people to find time things will nto happen 05/27/2008 10:11:05 AM from Nomi Harris: Possibly, but I don't think that's a requirement if it's going to make it hard to find a time. 05/27/2008 10:11:12 AM from Jen Deegan: true 05/27/2008 10:11:23 AM from Nomi Harris: So should we just designate a "help write documentation" week? 05/27/2008 10:11:30 AM from Jen Deegan: yes 05/27/2008 10:11:35 AM from Jen Deegan: then we will find loads of bugs too 05/27/2008 10:11:46 AM from Nomi Harris: Week of June 30th? 05/27/2008 10:11:51 AM from Jen Deegan: fine by me 05/27/2008 10:11:57 AM from midori: We can do more documentation weeks if not enough people make the first one to get it all done. 05/27/2008 10:12:03 AM from Nomi Harris: Although that Fri is the 4th of July 05/27/2008 10:12:07 AM from Nomi Harris: which is of course a big holiday in the US 05/27/2008 10:12:09 AM from midori: week of June 30th probably OK for me ... 05/27/2008 10:12:11 AM from Tanya Berardini: (I'm off that week, sorry) 05/27/2008 10:12:17 AM from Jen Deegan: we could do the previous week? 05/27/2008 10:12:26 AM from Nomi Harris: Does that work for you, midori? 05/27/2008 10:12:32 AM from midori: less promising for me, but go ahead if it's ok for the rest 05/27/2008 10:12:32 AM from Nomi Harris: The sooner the better 05/27/2008 10:12:40 AM from Tanya Berardini: (but I'm really just a minor contributor) 05/27/2008 10:12:44 AM from midori: I'll chip in if I can, 05/27/2008 10:12:57 AM from Jen Deegan: is the week of the 30th better then? 05/27/2008 10:13:10 AM from Jen Deegan: I can get on to Karen and ask for a cross prodcuts demo 05/27/2008 10:13:21 AM from Jen Deegan: then I'd be able to document it 05/27/2008 10:13:38 AM from Nomi Harris: Chris wrote a powerpoint about cross products, have you seen it? 05/27/2008 10:13:40 AM from midori: for me, yes, but there's only one of me. We haven't heard from very many people yet ... 05/27/2008 10:13:51 AM from Jen Deegan: Not sure. 05/27/2008 10:13:53 AM from Jen Deegan: true 05/27/2008 10:14:01 AM from Jen Deegan: have they wandered off? 05/27/2008 10:14:06 AM from Tanya Berardini: hmmm ppt about xps? 05/27/2008 10:14:09 AM from Tanya Berardini: I don't think I've seen it. 05/27/2008 10:14:15 AM from midori: I've seen various ppts from Chris that deal with xps, so maybe 05/27/2008 10:14:15 AM from Alexander Diehl: I am moving back to the US at the end of June, which limits my availability for a while. 05/27/2008 10:14:15 AM from Jen Deegan: could you forward it? 05/27/2008 10:14:27 AM from Jen Deegan: good luck with the move 05/27/2008 10:14:28 AM from Nomi Harris: I'll forward it to you, Jen. 05/27/2008 10:14:30 AM from Tanya Berardini: or maybe it's on the GO tutorial site? 05/27/2008 10:14:30 AM from Jen Deegan: ta 05/27/2008 10:14:33 AM from Alexander Diehl: thanks 05/27/2008 10:14:36 AM from Nomi Harris: I'm not sure he wanted it distributed widely. 05/27/2008 10:14:37 AM from Tanya Berardini: can you forward to me as well, please 05/27/2008 10:14:52 AM from Nomi Harris: I'll ask Chris if it's ok. 05/27/2008 10:14:54 AM from Tanya Berardini: ok 05/27/2008 10:14:54 AM from Nomi Harris: He's not in yet today. 05/27/2008 10:14:55 AM from Jen Deegan: the main thing is to find out how oboedit2 does cross prodcuts. 05/27/2008 10:14:58 AM from Jen Deegan: I can get that from karen 05/27/2008 10:15:01 AM from midori: yes 05/27/2008 10:15:01 AM from Amina: plz fwd it to me too Nomi 05/27/2008 10:15:55 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok, anything else today? 05/27/2008 10:15:58 AM from Jen Deegan: nope 05/27/2008 10:16:11 AM from Nomi Harris: Thanks for coming, sorry about the bad WebEx meeting URL 05/27/2008 10:16:23 AM from Alexander Diehl: thanks, bye 05/27/2008 10:16:24 AM from Nomi Harris: Should we meet next week? 05/27/2008 10:16:32 AM from Jen Deegan: yes please :-) 05/27/2008 10:16:42 AM from Nomi Harris: Ok. 05/27/2008 10:16:48 AM from Nomi Harris: Bye! 05/27/2008 10:16:54 AM from Jen Deegan: bye! 05/27/2008 10:16:54 AM from Amina: bye everyone 05/27/2008 10:16:56 AM from Ed: Alrighty, see you guys next week. 05/27/2008 10:16:59 AM from midori: bye