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01/29/2008 09:30:00 AM from Nomi Harris to All Attendees: Good morning/evening. 01/29/2008 09:30:18 AM from midori to All Participants: evening (so there!) 01/29/2008 09:30:48 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Why does WebEx make the default to send to All Attendees rather than All Participants, which leaves out the host? That seems dumb to me. 01/29/2008 09:30:59 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's configurable 01/29/2008 09:31:08 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: you can prevent people doing it 01/29/2008 09:31:13 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Oh. But it still shouldn't be the default. 01/29/2008 09:31:19 AM from Harold to All Participants: O 01/29/2008 09:31:21 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I can prevent people from doing it? 01/29/2008 09:31:23 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: however, I tried adjusting it and messed it up the chat window broke compeltely 01/29/2008 09:31:24 AM from midori to All Participants: It defaults to all attendees if non-hosts join before the host. 01/29/2008 09:31:29 AM from Harold to All Participants: I've changed it to participants 01/29/2008 09:31:35 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me too 01/29/2008 09:31:53 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: maybe in industry people routinely talk about the speaker behind their back 01/29/2008 09:31:57 AM from midori to All Participants: Mine does all participants straight away if I join after the host. 01/29/2008 09:31:58 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Apparently. 01/29/2008 09:32:00 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi Tanya 01/29/2008 09:32:15 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I'm sure you'll all be happy to hear that it's cold and rainy here in Berkeley. 01/29/2008 09:32:23 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: sounds delightful 01/29/2008 09:32:24 AM from midori to All Participants: define "cold" 01/29/2008 09:32:31 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: dusk is getting later here 01/29/2008 09:32:40 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: haha 01/29/2008 09:32:45 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: it's bout 45 degrees 01/29/2008 09:32:51 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: in Stanford 01/29/2008 09:32:56 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: but no rain (yet) 01/29/2008 09:33:05 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: 43F, it says. 01/29/2008 09:33:09 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: That's pretty cold for California! 01/29/2008 09:33:10 AM from Harold to All Participants: a balmy 35F here 01/29/2008 09:33:21 AM from midori to All Participants: colder than here, actually 01/29/2008 09:33:30 AM from melissaH to All Participants: we had over a foot of snow in eugene- and it NEVER snows here. 01/29/2008 09:33:39 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Whoa! 01/29/2008 09:33:44 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did you all have to stay home? 01/29/2008 09:33:54 AM from midori to All Participants: I think I remember snow ... 01/29/2008 09:33:57 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: excuse me in advance for having to bail right before 10 01/29/2008 09:33:58 AM from melissaH to All Participants: yep- couldn't get out of the driveway, even with chains! 01/29/2008 09:34:03 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: I'm talking about the new 'regulates' relationship 01/29/2008 09:34:06 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok, let's get started then. 01/29/2008 09:34:07 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: here at TAIR then 01/29/2008 09:34:22 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 01/29/2008 09:34:30 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: will you tell us about it sometime? 01/29/2008 09:34:37 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: In terms of the icon, or the use of the relationship itself? 01/29/2008 09:34:47 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: the new relationship itself 01/29/2008 09:34:58 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: and how it's different from is_a and part_of 01/29/2008 09:35:03 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: and why we love it 01/29/2008 09:35:12 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I would like to hear all about that. 01/29/2008 09:35:14 AM from Harold to All Participants: tanya: answer to question is that the links dont exist anymore (from David) 01/29/2008 09:35:43 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so go is just a flat list now? 01/29/2008 09:35:46 AM from midori to All Participants: cryptic ... 01/29/2008 09:35:56 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: never mind guys, 01/29/2008 09:35:59 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: don't worry 01/29/2008 09:36:00 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 01/29/2008 09:36:05 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: all is well 01/29/2008 09:36:06 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: really 01/29/2008 09:36:17 AM from Harold to All Participants: david stop looking over my cubicle wall! 01/29/2008 09:36:17 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we believe you 01/29/2008 09:36:27 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall we start? 01/29/2008 09:36:35 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I thought we had. 01/29/2008 09:36:39 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 01/29/2008 09:36:43 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I know Midori's tried b28. Has anyone else? 01/29/2008 09:36:44 AM from midori to All Participants: Harold - tell him he'll have to help document O-E! 01/29/2008 09:36:57 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: nope I think Tanya was just telling us why she has to leave at 10 01/29/2008 09:37:04 AM from Harold to All Participants: I am; will send picture 01/29/2008 09:37:10 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: have at it! 01/29/2008 09:37:20 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I haven't tried it yet 01/29/2008 09:37:26 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: It shouldn't be radically different from previous versions, but I'm wondering if the fact that I fixed the memory allocation for the platform-indep version 01/29/2008 09:37:28 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but I have it here 01/29/2008 09:37:37 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: will decrease the number of complaints about running out of memory. 01/29/2008 09:38:12 AM from midori to All Participants: So far so good, actually -- platform-independent and Mac installer versions now behave similarly, at least as far as loading GO. 01/29/2008 09:38:22 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: The platform-independent version was letting Java launch with its default heap size rather than telling it to allocate a bigger heap. 01/29/2008 09:38:26 AM from midori to All Participants: (which is about as far as I've got ...) 01/29/2008 09:38:39 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I do think OBO-Edit probably has some sort of memory leak, though. 01/29/2008 09:38:54 AM from Harold to All Participants: The first time I started the new beta, it took forever to load; however, subsequent starts are now fast 01/29/2008 09:39:05 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Did you see that the Mac installer version now puts an icon on your desktop, as it has long promised to do? 01/29/2008 09:39:08 AM from Harold to All Participants: yes 01/29/2008 09:39:30 AM from midori to All Participants: so it does! 01/29/2008 09:39:35 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: cool 01/29/2008 09:39:43 AM from midori to All Participants: (I only just looked now, 'cos you asked) 01/29/2008 09:39:51 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Any other bugs/feature requests to discuss, before we move on to documentation? 01/29/2008 09:40:18 AM from midori to All Participants: Anyway, I believe you about the memory leak -even before the beta28 fix, the installer version has been slower and less reliable than 1.x 01/29/2008 09:40:45 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: 2 is just bigger and fancier and less tested than 1. 01/29/2008 09:40:48 AM from midori to All Participants: I raised the priority on my sub-selection bug. 01/29/2008 09:41:09 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok. I had noticed that the darker blue was not behaving as I would expect, so your bug report confirmed that. 01/29/2008 09:41:20 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I will look into that. 01/29/2008 09:41:44 AM from midori to All Participants: The bigger problem is that I can't see how to sub-select at all, without losing the rest of the selected terms. 01/29/2008 09:41:50 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: (Suzi has been at a meeting this week, so she has not been able to divert my time from OBO-Edit quite as successfully!) 01/29/2008 09:42:04 AM from midori to All Participants: Not only is it useful for editing, there's documentation waiting on the fix. ;) 01/29/2008 09:42:14 AM from Karen Christie to All Participants: sorry I'm late, bad traffic and my daycare decides to have a firedrill at 9am... 01/29/2008 09:42:26 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: That's ok, Karen. We'll send you the transcript. 01/29/2008 09:42:31 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I would like to know how to get the regulates icon to show in ontology editor panel. 01/29/2008 09:42:38 AM from midori to All Participants: (don't get me started on fire alarm tests ...) 01/29/2008 09:42:40 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: That's still not working? 01/29/2008 09:42:56 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no, Chris has been sending me messages about it but I still can't get it to work 01/29/2008 09:43:06 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Hmm. Ok, I will look into that. 01/29/2008 09:43:08 AM from Harold to All Participants: I also tried and gave up 01/29/2008 09:43:16 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think he has been busy though as the messages are quite cryptic 01/29/2008 09:43:32 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is anybody else doing routine editing on oboedit 2 01/29/2008 09:43:35 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I think I tried it once and it didn't work and so I just plugged in the candidate regulates icons in place of existing relations like is_a. 01/29/2008 09:43:49 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that worked for me too 01/29/2008 09:43:59 AM from midori to All Participants: Jen - I'm not, and I don't think I could. 01/29/2008 09:44:03 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think it's because the regulates relationships start intersection of 01/29/2008 09:44:16 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that's what I thought, thanks Midori. Just wondered 01/29/2008 09:44:20 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I wonder if somewhere there is a hardcoded list of relations and because regulates is new, it's not on the list. 01/29/2008 09:44:32 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: start intersection of? 01/29/2008 09:44:37 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we can add them but I cant get it right 01/29/2008 09:44:40 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes in the file. 01/29/2008 09:44:49 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I'm not sure what that means. 01/29/2008 09:44:56 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: have to download, just a sec 01/29/2008 09:45:23 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: tanya do you know? 01/29/2008 09:45:26 AM from melissaH to All Participants: I don't think its in RO yet 01/29/2008 09:45:41 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: actually, Jen, the OBO stanza has separate: 01/29/2008 09:45:52 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: relationship: regulates process X, GO:xxxxxx 01/29/2008 09:45:56 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: I'm pretty sure 01/29/2008 09:45:58 AM from melissaH to All Participants: so, yes, nomi, I think thats right. 01/29/2008 09:46:11 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: it's the positively and negatively regulates relationships 01/29/2008 09:46:21 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: that only show up in the intersection tags 01/29/2008 09:46:22 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: You think what's right? Sorry, I'm a bit confused--this is all more ontology-technical than I'm used to... 01/29/2008 09:46:57 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: [Term] id: GO:0000018 name: regulation of DNA recombination namespace: biological_process def: "Any process that modulates the frequency, rate or extent of DNA recombination, a process by which a new genotype is formed by reassortment of genes resulting in gene combinations different from those that were present in the parents." [GOC:go_curators, ISBN:0198506732 "Oxford Dictionary of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology"] subset: gosubset_prok is_a: GO:0051052 ! regulation of DNA metabolic process intersection_of: GO:0065007 ! biological regulation intersection_of: regulates GO:0006310 ! DNA recombination relationship: regulates GO:0006310 ! DNA recombination 01/29/2008 09:47:04 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: this is an example stanza 01/29/2008 09:47:29 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: don't worry, it's fairly new to us too 01/29/2008 09:47:31 AM from melissaH to All Participants: yeah- they are still in proposed RO, which is not automatically loaded- probably these relations need to be added to the GO file? (I don't work on GO, but this is what I do when I need a relation thats not in RO) 01/29/2008 09:47:52 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I did add them but I think I did it wrong because they don't show 01/29/2008 09:48:05 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: also Chris said I need to delete a thing from the global filter 01/29/2008 09:48:07 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: which I did 01/29/2008 09:48:21 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: oh yeah, I remember that from when he was here 01/29/2008 09:48:23 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Maybe later this week Chris will have time to sit down with me and show me what to do, 01/29/2008 09:48:25 AM from melissaH to All Participants: hmmm.... 01/29/2008 09:48:32 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: and then I can send out complete instructions. 01/29/2008 09:48:32 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes that would be good,. 01/29/2008 09:48:40 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we could have a grand demo 01/29/2008 09:48:50 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: He's at a meeting this Mon-Wed. 01/29/2008 09:48:54 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah! 01/29/2008 09:48:58 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would explain it 01/29/2008 09:49:09 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks 01/29/2008 09:49:41 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Anything else about bugs/issues, or shall we talk briefly about documentation? 01/29/2008 09:49:57 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: docs sound good 01/29/2008 09:50:00 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok. 01/29/2008 09:50:12 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: So, I updated a bunch of documentation, mostly about the different components. 01/29/2008 09:50:27 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I had one question: many of the components used to be plug-ins and are now part of OE2. 01/29/2008 09:50:41 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: But there are still some plug-ins, right? 01/29/2008 09:50:57 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I don't think there is much difference is there? 01/29/2008 09:50:59 AM from midori to All Participants: yes, and the potential for third parties to roll their own still exists. 01/29/2008 09:51:09 AM from midori to All Participants: (sorry, that was to Nomi) 01/29/2008 09:51:30 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: And is the mechanism for plugging in still basically the same as it was? 01/29/2008 09:51:39 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes I think so 01/29/2008 09:51:43 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok. 01/29/2008 09:51:50 AM from midori to All Participants: That I wouldn't really know, but I haven't heard of any changes... 01/29/2008 09:52:03 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: why? 01/29/2008 09:52:17 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: In terms of updating the documentation, I'm pretty comfortable working on the parts that are more GUI-oriented, but some of the very ontology-oriented sections should probably be done by someone who understand ontologies better than me. 01/29/2008 09:52:28 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good plan 01/29/2008 09:52:34 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: For example, the filtering sections. 01/29/2008 09:53:04 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: And cross products. 01/29/2008 09:53:09 AM from midori to All Participants: One thing I noticed about the filtering sections is that ... 01/29/2008 09:53:45 AM from midori to All Participants: ... the new Advanced Search doc'n has been added, but the older search, filter, render, etc. pages haven't been updated. 01/29/2008 09:53:53 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Yes, that's correct. 01/29/2008 09:54:00 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: They need to be updated. Would you like to do that? 01/29/2008 09:54:01 AM from midori to All Participants: So there's partial overlap, and things need to be reconciled. 01/29/2008 09:54:35 AM from midori to All Participants: It wouldn't be my first choice; I'm planning on doing updates to the structural editing sections. 01/29/2008 09:55:01 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did I do searching? 01/29/2008 09:55:17 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: if I did, then filtering is very close to it 01/29/2008 09:55:36 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I think you added the new pages about searching, but the old pages need to be removed/merged/reconciled. 01/29/2008 09:55:39 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: sorry, got to run now 01/29/2008 09:55:43 AM from Tanya Berardini to All Participants: catch you guys next time 01/29/2008 09:55:46 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah 01/29/2008 09:55:50 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Bye, Tanya. 01/29/2008 09:55:51 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can do that 01/29/2008 09:55:54 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Great! 01/29/2008 09:56:06 AM from midori to All Participants: Sorry, booted by webex ... 01/29/2008 09:56:14 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: it's mostly deletion 01/29/2008 09:56:18 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: If someone wants to work on the Reasoner sections, that would be great, too. 01/29/2008 09:56:22 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: though I just realised that I can't find the filter button 01/29/2008 09:56:29 AM from midori to All Participants: out of my league, I'm afraid ... 01/29/2008 09:56:32 AM from Harold to All Participants: I have to go to another meeting now. sorry everyone. bye 01/29/2008 09:56:41 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Bye, Harold. 01/29/2008 09:56:43 AM from midori to All Participants: bye 01/29/2008 09:56:47 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: If I could lasso Chris for a cross-prodcut demo I coudl do that bit 01/29/2008 09:57:00 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: don't fancy my chances though 01/29/2008 09:57:08 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Maybe we can get Chris to come to this meeting next week and demo it. 01/29/2008 09:57:16 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would be excellent 01/29/2008 09:57:21 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I will ask him. 01/29/2008 09:57:21 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: possibly regulates too 01/29/2008 09:57:24 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ta 01/29/2008 09:57:24 AM from melissaH to All Participants: yes, I agree 01/29/2008 09:57:31 AM from midori to All Participants: sounds good 01/29/2008 09:57:35 AM from melissaH to All Participants: (demo time soon!) 01/29/2008 09:57:51 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Demo time soon? 01/29/2008 09:58:01 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: how do I delete docs? 01/29/2008 09:58:24 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I have been hand-editing the xml file that controls the table of contents. 01/29/2008 09:58:31 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: gosh 01/29/2008 09:58:37 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: But that's kind of fiddly. Why don't you just delete the html page and then I will sort out the xml file. 01/29/2008 09:58:43 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ok 01/29/2008 09:58:56 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and if I have to incorporate bits shall I send details? 01/29/2008 09:59:02 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok. 01/29/2008 09:59:08 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: great 01/29/2008 09:59:15 AM from midori to All Participants: Nomi - have you seen the new screenshots? 01/29/2008 09:59:23 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: John was using this tool to build the help pages, but it's Windows-only and I haven't gotten it to run under my Windows emulator. 01/29/2008 09:59:29 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Midorit, not yet, but I will look at them soon! 01/29/2008 09:59:39 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: can I use the tool? I am on windows 01/29/2008 09:59:43 AM from midori to All Participants: OK; just want to make sure they'll do. 01/29/2008 10:00:11 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Jen, it's not a free tool. John had bought it and he gave me the .exe and the license info. 01/29/2008 10:00:18 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah! Best not then 01/29/2008 10:00:29 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I'll just delete things in eclipse 01/29/2008 10:00:36 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Yeah, that might be a bit dodgy since you're not at the same institution. 01/29/2008 10:01:09 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: If you all can just send me summaries of pages you added/deleted, I can fix the table of contents. 01/29/2008 10:01:25 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: If you just edit a page or change images, you don't have to tell me. 01/29/2008 10:01:33 AM from midori to All Participants: So far I've only edited existing pages ... 01/29/2008 10:01:53 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Ok. 01/29/2008 10:02:13 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Are we done? 01/29/2008 10:02:30 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes I am 01/29/2008 10:02:42 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I will ask Chris if he can demo cross-products and regulates next Wednesday. 01/29/2008 10:02:45 AM from midori to All Participants: I've gone through the files in the html directory to get a grip on how much more there is to do ... 01/29/2008 10:02:52 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: There's a lot more to do! 01/29/2008 10:03:12 AM from midori to All Participants: We'll need some new pages that I'm not remotely qualified to write ... 01/29/2008 10:03:26 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: If you're not qualified, I don't know who is! 01/29/2008 10:03:31 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: which ones? 01/29/2008 10:03:32 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Not me, I'm sure! 01/29/2008 10:03:56 AM from midori to All Participants: e.g. Graph Editor, Graph DAG Viewer (maaaybe could do this one), ID Fixer (don't even know what this does) ... 01/29/2008 10:04:19 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I could have a stab at id fixer and graph editor 01/29/2008 10:04:27 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I tried the id fixer but it was buggy 01/29/2008 10:04:30 AM from midori to All Participants: Cross Product Matrix Editor, GO Association File Adapter, OBO OWL adapter, OWL URL reader 01/29/2008 10:04:39 AM from midori to All Participants: that last bunch is probably Chris territory 01/29/2008 10:04:58 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: GO association file adapter doesn't work yet I don't think 01/29/2008 10:05:00 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I asked chris 01/29/2008 10:05:13 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I can do the OWL ones with some input from Chris. 01/29/2008 10:05:52 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the id fixer is for when we load a file where two terms have same id 01/29/2008 10:07:06 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Thanks for all your past and future work on the help pages, Jen and Midori. 01/29/2008 10:07:15 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: Bye? 01/29/2008 10:07:19 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: bye 01/29/2008 10:07:20 AM from midori to All Participants: works for me 01/29/2008 10:07:29 AM from Karen Christie to All Participants: bye 01/29/2008 10:07:34 AM from midori to All Participants: someone on transcript duty? 01/29/2008 10:07:35 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: See you next week. 01/29/2008 10:07:54 AM from midori to All Participants: bye! 01/29/2008 10:08:05 AM from Nomi Harris to All Participants: I will send out the riveting transcript. 01/29/2008 10:08:15 AM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: thanks :-)