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10/04/2007 16:30:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hey, Alex. 10/04/2007 16:30:22 PM from Harold to All Participants: tada 10/04/2007 16:31:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Hi there John, Harold, and Jen! 10/04/2007 16:31:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Hello, my enthusiastic mouse people. 10/04/2007 16:31:49 PM from Harold to All Participants: It that Jen Needegan!? 10/04/2007 16:32:17 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: You must be hearing our squeaks of joy all the way in Colorado! 10/04/2007 16:32:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen, they can't see what you're saying because you're privately messaging me. 10/04/2007 16:32:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi 10/04/2007 16:32:34 PM from Tanya to All Attendees: What did I miss? 10/04/2007 16:32:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: do you see me? 10/04/2007 16:32:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: hi tanya 10/04/2007 16:33:03 PM from Tanya to All Participants: hello everyone! 10/04/2007 16:33:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: how's it there in stanford 10/04/2007 16:33:17 PM from Tanya to All Participants: Sunny, a little on the cool side. 10/04/2007 16:33:26 PM from Tanya to All Participants: What are the squeaks of joy for? 10/04/2007 16:33:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: They're mice people. 10/04/2007 16:33:39 PM from Tanya to All Participants: Ah 10/04/2007 16:33:48 PM from Tanya to All Participants: I don't think plants make joyful sounds. 10/04/2007 16:33:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants: But maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention. 10/04/2007 16:34:11 PM from Harold to All Participants: To see the weather here, go to http://www.geddys.com/geddycams/videocam/ 10/04/2007 16:35:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does that webcam operate when you're buttocks deep in the snow, too? 10/04/2007 16:35:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: 'Cause I've always wanted to see that. 10/04/2007 16:35:58 PM from Harold to All Participants: yep; 10/04/2007 16:36:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori is skyping me to say that she's having trouble logging on, so I'm going to take a bathroom break while she struggles. 10/04/2007 16:37:21 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Hey Harold, I just saw you walking down the street! 10/04/2007 16:38:32 PM from Harold to All Participants: and typing at the same time! 10/04/2007 16:38:44 PM from Harold to All Participants: wireless is a good thing 10/04/2007 16:38:53 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: On your iPhone no doubt! 10/04/2007 16:39:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Is Harold a technology early adopter? I thought I saw a kerosene powered washtub in his cubicle the last time I was there... 10/04/2007 16:40:32 PM from Harold to All Participants: that was my cd washer 10/04/2007 16:41:30 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I'm controlling the camera from Iceland! 10/04/2007 16:41:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Science! 10/04/2007 16:41:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants: FYI, as usual, I'll need to take off at 10 am (Pacific). 10/04/2007 16:42:15 PM from Tanya to All Participants: dratted other meeting 10/04/2007 16:42:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yeah, I'm going to let Midori tunnel through my network in a moment... 10/04/2007 16:42:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anybody want to talk about bugs or anything while we wait? 10/04/2007 16:42:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Are you suggesting we get started? 10/04/2007 16:43:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Well, there's an important item of business that should wait for Midori to show up, but we can talk about little stuff until then. 10/04/2007 16:44:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: WIll you ship 2.0 with the Graph Editor available? 10/04/2007 16:44:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants: Will the Users Guide get overhauled? Will you farm out the updates like before? 10/04/2007 16:45:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Graph Editor: I guess that's up to you guys. I just finalized the plugin specification, so it's easy enough for me to take it out of the main application and put it in the plugin. 10/04/2007 16:45:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The Users Guide will be totally overhauled as soon as I think the thing is stable enough in its features to document properly. 10/04/2007 16:46:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame. 10/04/2007 16:46:36 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: ) is that possible? 10/04/2007 16:46:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Good idea. There's probably an easy way to do that. 10/04/2007 16:46:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: At the very least, I can give you a GIF of it. 10/04/2007 16:47:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the no animation mode in the graph editor is great now 10/04/2007 16:47:27 PM from Tanya to All Participants: was that a Jen-specific feature? 10/04/2007 16:47:29 PM from Tanya to All Participants: :) 10/04/2007 16:47:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 16:47:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/04/2007 16:47:40 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I really like the ability to show a set number of terms and their relationships, and would like to be able to use different views in presentations or papers. 10/04/2007 16:47:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Sweet. I had to write a little virusy thing that injects my own animation manager into the Piccolo framework. 10/04/2007 16:47:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cool! 10/04/2007 16:48:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is the graph dag viewer the same, I forgot to check 10/04/2007 16:48:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The graph dag viewer is now configurable too. 10/04/2007 16:48:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: you're a marvel 10/04/2007 16:48:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/04/2007 16:48:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I also removed all configuration buttons on non-configurable components. 10/04/2007 16:48:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: goog plan 10/04/2007 16:48:56 PM from Harold to All Participants: what I've really grown to like is being able to undock stuff 10/04/2007 16:48:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good plan I mean 10/04/2007 16:49:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Are people starting to feel like this thing is getting usable? 10/04/2007 16:49:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes I love that too 10/04/2007 16:49:26 PM from Harold to All Participants: But I've just noticed that if I have multiple searchs, I an go back to an "older" one, but I can'tseem to force a selection 10/04/2007 16:49:38 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: yes, but I haven't put it through all its paces. 10/04/2007 16:49:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Harold: that sounds really bad, but I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase? 10/04/2007 16:49:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: has midori fallen down a hole? 10/04/2007 16:50:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori's trying to log in via a different laptop. 10/04/2007 16:50:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: ah 10/04/2007 16:50:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does everyone here have access to skype? 10/04/2007 16:50:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 16:50:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: We could move this over there and do a multi-way chat. 10/04/2007 16:50:30 PM from Tanya to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 16:50:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we ony have 5 so it would work 10/04/2007 16:50:42 PM from Tanya to All Participants: let me sign on 10/04/2007 16:50:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Skype is on now. 10/04/2007 16:50:45 PM from Harold to All Participants: I do one search; I do another search; I do another. I just back to search 1 and hilight a term, but it doesn't switch now to the selected term 10/04/2007 16:50:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: We'd have 6 with Midori, so maybe that wouldn't work... 10/04/2007 16:51:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I may have seen that problem too, but ignored it. 10/04/2007 16:51:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh 10/04/2007 16:51:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: If I start it from my dual core intel mac will it work? 10/04/2007 16:51:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: How 'bout IRC? 10/04/2007 16:51:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: irc could work 10/04/2007 16:51:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: the old way you mean 10/04/2007 16:51:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I like it best of all. 10/04/2007 16:51:51 PM from Tanya to All Participants: how about smoke signals? 10/04/2007 16:51:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Tanya, will IRC work for you? 10/04/2007 16:52:28 PM from Tanya to All Participants: yup, 10/04/2007 16:52:31 PM from Tanya to All Participants: do you see me? 10/04/2007 16:52:33 PM from Tanya to All Participants: I'm in. 10/04/2007 16:52:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let's move over to IRC. The server is irc.sf.net, channel is #oboedit 10/04/2007 16:54:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: aha! 10/04/2007 16:54:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: midori is here 10/04/2007 16:54:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: canwe stay here 10/04/2007 16:54:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I can't get into irc 10/04/2007 16:55:25 PM from Tanya to All Participants: Everyone back? 10/04/2007 16:55:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, is everyone looking at the right window. 10/04/2007 16:55:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 16:55:33 PM from Harold to All Participants: jes 10/04/2007 16:55:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes right window 10/04/2007 16:55:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Hi guys; sorry for all the bother. 10/04/2007 16:55:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no problem here now 10/04/2007 16:55:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'm very aware that Tanya has only 5 minutes, now, so I'm going to get right into it. 10/04/2007 16:55:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Ahem: 10/04/2007 16:57:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Last week, I was offered a job with the Google offices in Boulder, and I accepted it. I'll be leaving the Gene Ontology consortium at the beginning of December. But - 10/04/2007 16:57:31 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: we're doomed. 10/04/2007 16:57:38 PM from Tanya to All Participants: eep 10/04/2007 16:57:41 PM from Harold to All Participants: yup 10/04/2007 16:57:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: congratulations! 10/04/2007 16:57:53 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Suzi and I are already working on finding a replacement who will continue all of our hard work with as much dedication and care as I have. 10/04/2007 16:58:01 PM from Tanya to All Participants: congratulations, John! 10/04/2007 16:58:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Thanks, Tanya & Jen. 10/04/2007 16:58:11 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: congratulations John! 10/04/2007 16:58:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And alex. 10/04/2007 16:58:28 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: And best of luck when you get there! 10/04/2007 16:58:29 PM from Harold to All Participants: Way to go 10/04/2007 16:58:33 PM from Tanya to All Participants: It's going to be hard to find a replacement. 10/04/2007 16:58:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (but we're still doomed.) 10/04/2007 16:58:45 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Didn't even know about Google being in Bolder. 10/04/2007 16:59:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: put a good word in for google cambridge and its ontology department 10/04/2007 16:59:28 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: as well as Google Iceland! 10/04/2007 16:59:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we have two johns. 10/04/2007 16:59:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'm back - webex just crashed on me! 10/04/2007 16:59:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did we lose him? 10/04/2007 16:59:44 PM from Harold to All Participants: there's a google iceland? 10/04/2007 16:59:58 PM from Tanya to All Participants: webex is already having a fit that you're leaving 10/04/2007 16:59:59 PM from Tanya to All Participants: :( 10/04/2007 17:00:04 PM from Tanya to All Participants: I'll miss you. 10/04/2007 17:00:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: me too 10/04/2007 17:00:16 PM from Harold to All Participants: we all will 10/04/2007 17:00:18 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Google puts its website up in Icelandic when you use an Icelandic IP number. 10/04/2007 17:00:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cool! 10/04/2007 17:00:28 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Amazing. 10/04/2007 17:00:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And now three crashes! 10/04/2007 17:00:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: where does one recruit a funny programmer? 10/04/2007 17:00:48 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Although you can switch back to English. 10/04/2007 17:00:50 PM from Tanya to All Participants: Argh, I need to go/ 10/04/2007 17:00:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: there are nw three johns 10/04/2007 17:00:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: bye tanya 10/04/2007 17:00:59 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: bye 10/04/2007 17:01:01 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Bye 10/04/2007 17:01:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Bye, Tanya. We can skype later if you'd like. 10/04/2007 17:01:06 PM from Tanya to All Participants: I'll keep this running so that I can catch the rest of the conversation but I won't actually be here. 10/04/2007 17:01:07 PM from Harold to All Participants: That John fellow gets around 10/04/2007 17:01:11 PM from Tanya to All Participants: ok 10/04/2007 17:01:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: can we keep a copy of him? 10/04/2007 17:01:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: If only... 10/04/2007 17:01:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway - I wrote a draft of the job description last night. 10/04/2007 17:01:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: well done 10/04/2007 17:01:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: did it mention funny? 10/04/2007 17:02:09 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: You didn't leave out the back rubs for beta testers, I hope. 10/04/2007 17:02:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It mentioned "sociable" and emphasized the importance of playing an active leadership role in the OBO-Edit community. 10/04/2007 17:02:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: write in that you get to work with lost of women. that will help 10/04/2007 17:02:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: lots 10/04/2007 17:02:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Aren't they all married now? 10/04/2007 17:02:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: who can't type at all 10/04/2007 17:02:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: possibly 10/04/2007 17:03:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: should we beta test the job description? 10/04/2007 17:03:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If people are interested, I know that Suzi would love to get the working group's input on the new hire. 10/04/2007 17:03:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And she might like that, too. 10/04/2007 17:03:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would be good 10/04/2007 17:03:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: beta-testing the job description, I mean. 10/04/2007 17:03:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:04:08 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: That would be good -- interacting productively with a pack of biololgists is really important, but by no means easy. 10/04/2007 17:04:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: both true 10/04/2007 17:04:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: How about we make a webex interview with the working group part of the interview process? 10/04/2007 17:04:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That would allow everyone to give feedback, and would demonstrate the he/she could handle this well. 10/04/2007 17:04:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Hmm ... we'd also be able to measure patience with flaky technology :) 10/04/2007 17:04:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that would be a baptism of fire 10/04/2007 17:05:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: That could go strangely, though, depending on the nervousness of the interviewee. 10/04/2007 17:05:06 PM from Harold to All Participants: a big plus 10/04/2007 17:05:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we may have to accept that the new john will be different though 10/04/2007 17:05:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think we'd only want 2 or 3 people in on that interview. 10/04/2007 17:05:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and interviewing to see if he/she is very very like johnmay not work well. 10/04/2007 17:05:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Or at least only 2 or 3 people typing. 10/04/2007 17:05:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: maybe a phone interview would be better? 10/04/2007 17:05:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: to asses friendliness 10/04/2007 17:06:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: and thick skinnedness 10/04/2007 17:06:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'm sure the new person's ass will be just as friendly as mine. 10/04/2007 17:06:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: In any case - 10/04/2007 17:06:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Maybe a phone interview would be better. 10/04/2007 17:06:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I agree. 10/04/2007 17:06:34 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: There's no substitute for face-to-face; we'll have to trust Suzi & John to some extent no matter how we participate. 10/04/2007 17:07:02 PM from Harold to All Participants: What is our time frame? 10/04/2007 17:07:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: would you like some help to document the oboedit code to help the new person along? 10/04/2007 17:07:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Well, even if we don't find someone before I leave, I've agreed to help Suzi with the face-to-face part of the interviews, even if that means flying out to California for a weekend. 10/04/2007 17:07:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen - YES! 10/04/2007 17:07:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/04/2007 17:07:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Harold - I'll be leaving the first week of December. Between Dec 1 - 7. 10/04/2007 17:08:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'll then be taking a week off to say goodbye to our baby, who I'll never see again because of his nap schedule and my long commute time... 10/04/2007 17:08:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Can you keep us informed about when interviews happen? 10/04/2007 17:08:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And then the googling begins. 10/04/2007 17:08:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Midori - absolutely. 10/04/2007 17:08:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Will we have time to finish 2.0 then? 10/04/2007 17:08:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Again, absolutely. 10/04/2007 17:08:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Let's talk about priorities, given this - 10/04/2007 17:08:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I think we may be better to not switch to a new release just as our bug fixer leaves 10/04/2007 17:09:00 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Fix the text editor bugs. 10/04/2007 17:09:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: My thought was that getting an OBO-Edit 2 release is the top priority for me before I leave. 10/04/2007 17:09:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: That includes the user's guide. 10/04/2007 17:09:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Two months should be plenty of time to do this. 10/04/2007 17:09:35 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I actually agree, as it is such a useful upgrade. 10/04/2007 17:09:47 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I'm inclined to agree, as long at that gives us time to find & fix the bugs. 10/04/2007 17:09:52 PM from Harold to All Participants: In that case, perhaps the graph editor as a plugin might be the thing to do 10/04/2007 17:10:11 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: We will always find bugs, even after the release. 10/04/2007 17:10:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yeah, but to minimize that - 10/04/2007 17:10:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I suggest that we implement an almost total feature freeze, effective immediately. 10/04/2007 17:10:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I agree 10/04/2007 17:10:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It's almost total, because... 10/04/2007 17:10:41 PM from Harold to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:10:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: True. But some of them absolutely have to be fixed 'cos theyre show-stoppers. 10/04/2007 17:11:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (the bugs, that is ... more or less replying to Alex) 10/04/2007 17:11:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: (but what about my new feature) 10/04/2007 17:11:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Feature-freeze, not bug-fix freeze 10/04/2007 17:11:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: exactly 10/04/2007 17:11:18 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: yep, got that 10/04/2007 17:11:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I want to add Alex's useful and easy feature 10/04/2007 17:11:38 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: sorry, which one was that? 10/04/2007 17:11:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: so should we prioritise testing big time then? 10/04/2007 17:11:45 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I'll put it on SF. 10/04/2007 17:11:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Jen - I would think so. 10/04/2007 17:12:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And there are some essential but complicated reasoner improvements that I don't feel comfortable leaving as the first thing the new guy does. I have to add those to the OBO-Edit 2 release. 10/04/2007 17:12:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There are also some infrastructure components that Phenote needs that must be included in this release. 10/04/2007 17:12:23 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Midori -Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame. 10/04/2007 17:12:23 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ... although I might wait for beta15 because 14 can't save def dbxrefs 10/04/2007 17:13:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Looks like Harold crashed. 10/04/2007 17:13:04 PM from hurdil to All Participants: now my webex just crashed 10/04/2007 17:13:25 PM from hurdil to All Participants: Harold's evil clone, Hurdil, is in control now 10/04/2007 17:13:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Midori, do you think it would be okay if I spend a bit of time with john doing developer docs? I'm close to being able to bug fix oboedit now and it could be handy when we're between developers. 10/04/2007 17:13:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: ! 10/04/2007 17:13:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: (Say YES!) 10/04/2007 17:13:51 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: ok 10/04/2007 17:13:52 PM from hurdil to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:13:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: if chris, john and I worked together then we could do good stuff I think 10/04/2007 17:13:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: Yay! 10/04/2007 17:14:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: (I'll collect my bribes later) 10/04/2007 17:14:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I think we can also get Amelia and Mark Gibson to help out, too. 10/04/2007 17:14:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/04/2007 17:14:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: very true 10/04/2007 17:14:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: A brief word about the reasoner improvements - 10/04/2007 17:15:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I've already done half of them, and they were stunningly easy to implement, so it should take very little time. Yesterday, I told the reasoner: 10/04/2007 17:15:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Jen is to the left of Midori and Midori is to the left of Harold 10/04/2007 17:15:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The reasoner told me: 10/04/2007 17:15:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Harold is to the right of Jen 10/04/2007 17:15:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cool! 10/04/2007 17:15:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I was very pleased. 10/04/2007 17:16:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: is it like a 2 year old child then? 10/04/2007 17:16:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: but with less walking 10/04/2007 17:16:20 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: only if it's also got sticky fingers 10/04/2007 17:16:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: :-) 10/04/2007 17:16:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: In that it has hateful and complex needs and takes up way too much space, yes. 10/04/2007 17:16:44 PM from hurdil to All Participants: but no diapers 10/04/2007 17:16:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: No, the shit goes everywhere. 10/04/2007 17:16:54 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: but it's so cute when it's sleeping 10/04/2007 17:16:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Anyway - 10/04/2007 17:16:57 PM from hurdil to All Participants: ah 10/04/2007 17:17:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'd like to get the working group in big-time release testing mode. 10/04/2007 17:17:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: And I will shift to a twice-weekly release cycle. 10/04/2007 17:17:36 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: wow 10/04/2007 17:17:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall we divide the testing tasks up? 10/04/2007 17:17:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Yes. 10/04/2007 17:18:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Oh, crap! I had a question! 10/04/2007 17:18:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Before we continue - 10/04/2007 17:18:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Has anyone saved a file from the new OBO-Edit? 10/04/2007 17:18:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no 10/04/2007 17:18:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:18:30 PM from hurdil to All Participants: no 10/04/2007 17:18:34 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: no 10/04/2007 17:18:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: You may have noticed the following new tags: 10/04/2007 17:18:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: created_by, modified_by, creation_date, modification_date 10/04/2007 17:18:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: didn't look that closely 10/04/2007 17:19:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The way that OBO-Edit is designed now, those tags will be written out whenever you save to OBO 1.2 format. 10/04/2007 17:19:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Is that okay? 10/04/2007 17:19:26 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: How does OBO-Edit 1.1 deal with the tags? 10/04/2007 17:19:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: It will round-trip them, but it won't add new ones. 10/04/2007 17:19:41 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: okay 10/04/2007 17:19:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Do I need to add the ability to disable these new tags? 10/04/2007 17:20:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I wonder if there will be squawking if they appear in the go file during testing 10/04/2007 17:20:18 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:20:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: we could stip them with a script if necessary 10/04/2007 17:20:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: so it might be safest to disable them until release 10/04/2007 17:20:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: true 10/04/2007 17:21:02 PM from hurdil to All Participants: Yes; especially going back and forth to Oboedit 1 10/04/2007 17:21:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Should I just defer these until OBO 1.3 format? 10/04/2007 17:21:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: though we do need to bug test them 10/04/2007 17:21:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I could add OBO 1.3 as a potential output format - I think we know what the new features will be. 10/04/2007 17:21:55 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I think that this is a good plan. 10/04/2007 17:22:32 PM from hurdil to All Participants: We would need to have the new specs to pass on to any of our SE's dealing with loading the GO into the dbs 10/04/2007 17:22:58 PM from hurdil to All Participants: along with an implimentation date 10/04/2007 17:23:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Sorry, crashed again. I didn't see anything after Alex said "I think this is a good plan" 10/04/2007 17:23:46 PM from hurdil to All Participants: need specs of 1.3 for distribution to SES responsible for loading GO into respective MOD dbs, and a time frame 10/04/2007 17:24:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: The wiki page that I'm calling the OBO 1.3 whiteboard is at: 10/04/2007 17:24:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO:_1.3_Whiteboard 10/04/2007 17:24:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I'd like to have the specification finalized (although not necessarily published) by the time I leave. 10/04/2007 17:24:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: When I leave, this will be entirely in Chris's hands. 10/04/2007 17:25:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I tend to trust you & Chris for all things format anyway. 10/04/2007 17:26:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Do we know of anyone desperate for term modification/creation time tracking? 10/04/2007 17:26:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: no 10/04/2007 17:26:43 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: And when is Chris being Googled? 10/04/2007 17:26:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: -) 10/04/2007 17:26:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: that was my thought too 10/04/2007 17:27:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Chris is likely to become the head of BBOP when Suzi retires. I don't think he's going anywhere. 10/04/2007 17:27:21 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Maybe we could move the go editorial office to google ... 10/04/2007 17:27:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: oh that would be good 10/04/2007 17:27:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I would like that :-) 10/04/2007 17:27:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: There's a good chance it will be at least 6 months before the consortium even adopts a time frame for adopting OBO 1.3 10/04/2007 17:27:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: So we should think carefully about whether this feature can wait that long. 10/04/2007 17:28:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: If no one's scared by that, then we can move on, though. 10/04/2007 17:28:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: does anybody need this feature? 10/04/2007 17:28:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: move on I think 10/04/2007 17:28:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: since we're getting to the end of time 10/04/2007 17:28:36 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Not that I know of ... (need the feature, that is) 10/04/2007 17:28:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Okay, let's come up with testing tasks - 10/04/2007 17:28:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shoud you make a list of testing tasks and mail it 10/04/2007 17:28:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: yes 10/04/2007 17:28:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good 10/04/2007 17:29:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: shall we volunteer? 10/04/2007 17:29:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Does anybody want to vote on anything right now? If not, I'll send out the list and we can volunteer via email. 10/04/2007 17:29:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: good idea 10/04/2007 17:29:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: on the wiki maybe 10/04/2007 17:29:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: then we can all edit one copy 10/04/2007 17:29:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Good idea. 10/04/2007 17:29:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: hard to vote when we don't know how you'll divvy things up! 10/04/2007 17:29:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: I have already made the page 10/04/2007 17:29:47 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: I like the wiki idea 10/04/2007 17:29:51 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: Send out an email when it has been posted on the wiki. 10/04/2007 17:30:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: I don't know how I'm going to divvy it up either. I'll work on the wiki page when we're done. 10/04/2007 17:30:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: My clock says time is up. 10/04/2007 17:30:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit_2.000_Testing_Tasks 10/04/2007 17:30:29 PM from hurdil to All Participants: yup 10/04/2007 17:30:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants: cheerio then and well done again. :-) 10/04/2007 17:30:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: So many features, so little time 10/04/2007 17:30:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Many thanks. I'll see you again soon. 10/04/2007 17:31:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants: Bye all. 10/04/2007 17:31:06 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants: Thanks, and bye 10/04/2007 17:31:06 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants: I saved the chat 10/04/2007 17:31:11 PM from hurdil to All Participants: ok; bye