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10/04/2007 16:30:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Hey, Alex.
10/04/2007 16:30:22 PM from Harold to All Participants:
tada
10/04/2007 16:31:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Hi there John, Harold, and Jen!
10/04/2007 16:31:24 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Hello, my enthusiastic mouse people.
10/04/2007 16:31:49 PM from Harold to All Participants:
It that Jen Needegan!?
10/04/2007 16:32:17 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
You must be hearing our squeaks of joy all the way in Colorado!
10/04/2007 16:32:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Jen, they can't see what you're saying because you're privately messaging me.
10/04/2007 16:32:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
hi
10/04/2007 16:32:34 PM from Tanya to All Attendees:
What did I miss?
10/04/2007 16:32:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
do you see me?
10/04/2007 16:32:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
hi tanya
10/04/2007 16:33:03 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
hello everyone!
10/04/2007 16:33:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
how's it there in stanford
10/04/2007 16:33:17 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Sunny, a little on the cool side.
10/04/2007 16:33:26 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
What are the squeaks of joy for?
10/04/2007 16:33:31 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
They're mice people.
10/04/2007 16:33:39 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Ah
10/04/2007 16:33:48 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
I don't think plants make joyful sounds.
10/04/2007 16:33:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
But maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention.
10/04/2007 16:34:11 PM from Harold to All Participants:
To see the weather here, go to http://www.geddys.com/geddycams/videocam/
10/04/2007 16:35:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Does that webcam operate when you're buttocks deep in the snow, too?
10/04/2007 16:35:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
'Cause I've always wanted to see that.
10/04/2007 16:35:58 PM from Harold to All Participants:
yep;
10/04/2007 16:36:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Midori is skyping me to say that she's having trouble logging on, so I'm going to take a bathroom break while she struggles.
10/04/2007 16:37:21 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Hey Harold, I just saw you walking down the street!
10/04/2007 16:38:32 PM from Harold to All Participants:
and typing at the same time!
10/04/2007 16:38:44 PM from Harold to All Participants:
wireless is a good thing
10/04/2007 16:38:53 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
On your iPhone no doubt!
10/04/2007 16:39:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Is Harold a technology early adopter? I thought I saw a kerosene powered washtub in his cubicle the last time I was there...
10/04/2007 16:40:32 PM from Harold to All Participants:
that was my cd washer
10/04/2007 16:41:30 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I'm controlling the camera from Iceland!
10/04/2007 16:41:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Science!
10/04/2007 16:41:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
FYI, as usual, I'll need to take off at 10 am (Pacific).
10/04/2007 16:42:15 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
dratted other meeting
10/04/2007 16:42:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Yeah, I'm going to let Midori tunnel through my network in a moment...
10/04/2007 16:42:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Anybody want to talk about bugs or anything while we wait?
10/04/2007 16:42:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Are you suggesting we get started?
10/04/2007 16:43:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Well, there's an important item of business that should wait for Midori to show up, but we can talk about little stuff until then.
10/04/2007 16:44:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
WIll you ship 2.0 with the Graph Editor available?
10/04/2007 16:44:56 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Will the Users Guide get overhauled? Will you farm out the updates like before?
10/04/2007 16:45:18 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Graph Editor: I guess that's up to you guys. I just finalized the plugin specification, so it's easy enough for me to take it out of the main application and put it in the plugin.
10/04/2007 16:45:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The Users Guide will be totally overhauled as soon as I think the thing is stable enough in its features to document properly.
10/04/2007 16:46:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame.
10/04/2007 16:46:36 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
) is that possible?
10/04/2007 16:46:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Good idea. There's probably an easy way to do that.
10/04/2007 16:46:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
At the very least, I can give you a GIF of it.
10/04/2007 16:47:07 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the no animation mode in the graph editor is great now
10/04/2007 16:47:27 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
was that a Jen-specific feature?
10/04/2007 16:47:29 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
:)
10/04/2007 16:47:32 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 16:47:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
10/04/2007 16:47:40 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I really like the ability to show a set number of terms and their relationships, and would like to be able to use different views in presentations or papers.
10/04/2007 16:47:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Sweet. I had to write a little virusy thing that injects my own animation manager into the Piccolo framework.
10/04/2007 16:47:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cool!
10/04/2007 16:48:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
is the graph dag viewer the same, I forgot to check
10/04/2007 16:48:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The graph dag viewer is now configurable too.
10/04/2007 16:48:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
you're a marvel
10/04/2007 16:48:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
10/04/2007 16:48:43 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I also removed all configuration buttons on non-configurable components.
10/04/2007 16:48:54 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
goog plan
10/04/2007 16:48:56 PM from Harold to All Participants:
what I've really grown to like is being able to undock stuff
10/04/2007 16:48:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good plan I mean
10/04/2007 16:49:02 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Are people starting to feel like this thing is getting usable?
10/04/2007 16:49:08 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes I love that too
10/04/2007 16:49:26 PM from Harold to All Participants:
But I've just noticed that if I have multiple searchs, I an go back to an "older" one, but I can'tseem to force a selection
10/04/2007 16:49:38 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
yes, but I haven't put it through all its paces.
10/04/2007 16:49:55 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Harold: that sounds really bad, but I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase?
10/04/2007 16:49:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
has midori fallen down a hole?
10/04/2007 16:50:07 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Midori's trying to log in via a different laptop.
10/04/2007 16:50:12 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
ah
10/04/2007 16:50:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Does everyone here have access to skype?
10/04/2007 16:50:18 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 16:50:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
We could move this over there and do a multi-way chat.
10/04/2007 16:50:30 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 16:50:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we ony have 5 so it would work
10/04/2007 16:50:42 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
let me sign on
10/04/2007 16:50:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Skype is on now.
10/04/2007 16:50:45 PM from Harold to All Participants:
I do one search; I do another search; I do another. I just back to search 1 and hilight a term, but it doesn't switch now to the selected term
10/04/2007 16:50:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
We'd have 6 with Midori, so maybe that wouldn't work...
10/04/2007 16:51:05 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I may have seen that problem too, but ignored it.
10/04/2007 16:51:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh
10/04/2007 16:51:16 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
If I start it from my dual core intel mac will it work?
10/04/2007 16:51:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
How 'bout IRC?
10/04/2007 16:51:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
irc could work
10/04/2007 16:51:28 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
the old way you mean
10/04/2007 16:51:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I like it best of all.
10/04/2007 16:51:51 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
how about smoke signals?
10/04/2007 16:51:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Tanya, will IRC work for you?
10/04/2007 16:52:28 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
yup,
10/04/2007 16:52:31 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
do you see me?
10/04/2007 16:52:33 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
I'm in.
10/04/2007 16:52:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Let's move over to IRC. The server is irc.sf.net, channel is #oboedit
10/04/2007 16:54:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
aha!
10/04/2007 16:54:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
midori is here
10/04/2007 16:54:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
canwe stay here
10/04/2007 16:54:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I can't get into irc
10/04/2007 16:55:25 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Everyone back?
10/04/2007 16:55:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, is everyone looking at the right window.
10/04/2007 16:55:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 16:55:33 PM from Harold to All Participants:
jes
10/04/2007 16:55:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes right window
10/04/2007 16:55:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Hi guys; sorry for all the bother.
10/04/2007 16:55:48 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no problem here now
10/04/2007 16:55:49 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'm very aware that Tanya has only 5 minutes, now, so I'm going to get right into it.
10/04/2007 16:55:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Ahem:
10/04/2007 16:57:03 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Last week, I was offered a job with the Google offices in Boulder, and I accepted it. I'll be leaving the Gene Ontology consortium at the beginning of December. But -
10/04/2007 16:57:31 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
we're doomed.
10/04/2007 16:57:38 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
eep
10/04/2007 16:57:41 PM from Harold to All Participants:
yup
10/04/2007 16:57:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
congratulations!
10/04/2007 16:57:53 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Suzi and I are already working on finding a replacement who will continue all of our hard work with as much dedication and care as I have.
10/04/2007 16:58:01 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
congratulations, John!
10/04/2007 16:58:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Thanks, Tanya & Jen.
10/04/2007 16:58:11 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
congratulations John!
10/04/2007 16:58:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And alex.
10/04/2007 16:58:28 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
And best of luck when you get there!
10/04/2007 16:58:29 PM from Harold to All Participants:
Way to go
10/04/2007 16:58:33 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
It's going to be hard to find a replacement.
10/04/2007 16:58:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(but we're still doomed.)
10/04/2007 16:58:45 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Didn't even know about Google being in Bolder.
10/04/2007 16:59:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
put a good word in for google cambridge and its ontology department
10/04/2007 16:59:28 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
as well as Google Iceland!
10/04/2007 16:59:38 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we have two johns.
10/04/2007 16:59:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'm back - webex just crashed on me!
10/04/2007 16:59:44 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
did we lose him?
10/04/2007 16:59:44 PM from Harold to All Participants:
there's a google iceland?
10/04/2007 16:59:58 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
webex is already having a fit that you're leaving
10/04/2007 16:59:59 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
:(
10/04/2007 17:00:04 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
I'll miss you.
10/04/2007 17:00:11 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
me too
10/04/2007 17:00:16 PM from Harold to All Participants:
we all will
10/04/2007 17:00:18 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Google puts its website up in Icelandic when you use an Icelandic IP number.
10/04/2007 17:00:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cool!
10/04/2007 17:00:28 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Amazing.
10/04/2007 17:00:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And now three crashes!
10/04/2007 17:00:43 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
where does one recruit a funny programmer?
10/04/2007 17:00:48 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Although you can switch back to English.
10/04/2007 17:00:50 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
Argh, I need to go/
10/04/2007 17:00:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
there are nw three johns
10/04/2007 17:00:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
bye tanya
10/04/2007 17:00:59 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
bye
10/04/2007 17:01:01 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Bye
10/04/2007 17:01:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Bye, Tanya. We can skype later if you'd like.
10/04/2007 17:01:06 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
I'll keep this running so that I can catch the rest of the conversation but I won't actually be here.
10/04/2007 17:01:07 PM from Harold to All Participants:
That John fellow gets around
10/04/2007 17:01:11 PM from Tanya to All Participants:
ok
10/04/2007 17:01:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
can we keep a copy of him?
10/04/2007 17:01:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
If only...
10/04/2007 17:01:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Anyway - I wrote a draft of the job description last night.
10/04/2007 17:01:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
well done
10/04/2007 17:01:50 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
did it mention funny?
10/04/2007 17:02:09 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
You didn't leave out the back rubs for beta testers, I hope.
10/04/2007 17:02:17 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
It mentioned "sociable" and emphasized the importance of playing an active leadership role in the OBO-Edit community.
10/04/2007 17:02:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
write in that you get to work with lost of women. that will help
10/04/2007 17:02:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
lots
10/04/2007 17:02:44 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Aren't they all married now?
10/04/2007 17:02:46 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
who can't type at all
10/04/2007 17:02:59 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
possibly
10/04/2007 17:03:19 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
should we beta test the job description?
10/04/2007 17:03:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
If people are interested, I know that Suzi would love to get the working group's input on the new hire.
10/04/2007 17:03:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And she might like that, too.
10/04/2007 17:03:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be good
10/04/2007 17:03:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
beta-testing the job description, I mean.
10/04/2007 17:03:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:04:08 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
That would be good -- interacting productively with a pack of biololgists is really important, but by no means easy.
10/04/2007 17:04:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
both true
10/04/2007 17:04:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
How about we make a webex interview with the working group part of the interview process?
10/04/2007 17:04:41 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
That would allow everyone to give feedback, and would demonstrate the he/she could handle this well.
10/04/2007 17:04:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Hmm ... we'd also be able to measure patience with flaky technology :)
10/04/2007 17:04:58 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that would be a baptism of fire
10/04/2007 17:05:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
That could go strangely, though, depending on the nervousness of the interviewee.
10/04/2007 17:05:06 PM from Harold to All Participants:
a big plus
10/04/2007 17:05:14 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we may have to accept that the new john will be different though
10/04/2007 17:05:23 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I think we'd only want 2 or 3 people in on that interview.
10/04/2007 17:05:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
and interviewing to see if he/she is very very like johnmay not work well.
10/04/2007 17:05:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Or at least only 2 or 3 people typing.
10/04/2007 17:05:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
maybe a phone interview would be better?
10/04/2007 17:05:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
to asses friendliness
10/04/2007 17:06:00 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
and thick skinnedness
10/04/2007 17:06:06 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'm sure the new person's ass will be just as friendly as mine.
10/04/2007 17:06:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
In any case -
10/04/2007 17:06:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Maybe a phone interview would be better.
10/04/2007 17:06:29 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I agree.
10/04/2007 17:06:34 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
There's no substitute for face-to-face; we'll have to trust Suzi & John to some extent no matter how we participate.
10/04/2007 17:07:02 PM from Harold to All Participants:
What is our time frame?
10/04/2007 17:07:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
would you like some help to document the oboedit code to help the new person along?
10/04/2007 17:07:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Well, even if we don't find someone before I leave, I've agreed to help Suzi with the face-to-face part of the interviews, even if that means flying out to California for a weekend.
10/04/2007 17:07:16 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Jen - YES!
10/04/2007 17:07:20 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
10/04/2007 17:07:45 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Harold - I'll be leaving the first week of December. Between Dec 1 - 7.
10/04/2007 17:08:13 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'll then be taking a week off to say goodbye to our baby, who I'll never see again because of his nap schedule and my long commute time...
10/04/2007 17:08:22 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Can you keep us informed about when interviews happen?
10/04/2007 17:08:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And then the googling begins.
10/04/2007 17:08:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Midori - absolutely.
10/04/2007 17:08:33 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Will we have time to finish 2.0 then?
10/04/2007 17:08:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Again, absolutely.
10/04/2007 17:08:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Let's talk about priorities, given this -
10/04/2007 17:08:57 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I think we may be better to not switch to a new release just as our bug fixer leaves
10/04/2007 17:09:00 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Fix the text editor bugs.
10/04/2007 17:09:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
My thought was that getting an OBO-Edit 2 release is the top priority for me before I leave.
10/04/2007 17:09:27 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
That includes the user's guide.
10/04/2007 17:09:34 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Two months should be plenty of time to do this.
10/04/2007 17:09:35 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I actually agree, as it is such a useful upgrade.
10/04/2007 17:09:47 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I'm inclined to agree, as long at that gives us time to find & fix the bugs.
10/04/2007 17:09:52 PM from Harold to All Participants:
In that case, perhaps the graph editor as a plugin might be the thing to do
10/04/2007 17:10:11 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
We will always find bugs, even after the release.
10/04/2007 17:10:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Yeah, but to minimize that -
10/04/2007 17:10:32 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I suggest that we implement an almost total feature freeze, effective immediately.
10/04/2007 17:10:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I agree
10/04/2007 17:10:40 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
It's almost total, because...
10/04/2007 17:10:41 PM from Harold to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:10:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
True. But some of them absolutely have to be fixed 'cos theyre show-stoppers.
10/04/2007 17:11:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(the bugs, that is ... more or less replying to Alex)
10/04/2007 17:11:03 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
(but what about my new feature)
10/04/2007 17:11:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Feature-freeze, not bug-fix freeze
10/04/2007 17:11:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
exactly
10/04/2007 17:11:18 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
yep, got that
10/04/2007 17:11:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I want to add Alex's useful and easy feature
10/04/2007 17:11:38 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
sorry, which one was that?
10/04/2007 17:11:40 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
so should we prioritise testing big time then?
10/04/2007 17:11:45 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I'll put it on SF.
10/04/2007 17:11:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Jen - I would think so.
10/04/2007 17:12:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And there are some essential but complicated reasoner improvements that I don't feel comfortable leaving as the first thing the new guy does. I have to add those to the OBO-Edit 2 release.
10/04/2007 17:12:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
There are also some infrastructure components that Phenote needs that must be included in this release.
10/04/2007 17:12:23 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Midori -Also, I would love to see a feature where we could export a pdf or tiff of the graph view (all of it, not just what shows in the frame.
10/04/2007 17:12:23 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
... although I might wait for beta15 because 14 can't save def dbxrefs
10/04/2007 17:13:01 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Looks like Harold crashed.
10/04/2007 17:13:04 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
now my webex just crashed
10/04/2007 17:13:25 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
Harold's evil clone, Hurdil, is in control now
10/04/2007 17:13:30 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Midori, do you think it would be okay if I spend a bit of time with john doing developer docs? I'm close to being able to bug fix oboedit now and it could be handy when we're between developers.
10/04/2007 17:13:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
!
10/04/2007 17:13:44 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
(Say YES!)
10/04/2007 17:13:51 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
ok
10/04/2007 17:13:52 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:13:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
if chris, john and I worked together then we could do good stuff I think
10/04/2007 17:13:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
Yay!
10/04/2007 17:14:03 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
(I'll collect my bribes later)
10/04/2007 17:14:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I think we can also get Amelia and Mark Gibson to help out, too.
10/04/2007 17:14:09 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
10/04/2007 17:14:22 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
very true
10/04/2007 17:14:39 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
A brief word about the reasoner improvements -
10/04/2007 17:15:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I've already done half of them, and they were stunningly easy to implement, so it should take very little time. Yesterday, I told the reasoner:
10/04/2007 17:15:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Jen is to the left of Midori and Midori is to the left of Harold
10/04/2007 17:15:26 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The reasoner told me:
10/04/2007 17:15:33 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Harold is to the right of Jen
10/04/2007 17:15:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cool!
10/04/2007 17:15:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I was very pleased.
10/04/2007 17:16:06 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
is it like a 2 year old child then?
10/04/2007 17:16:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
but with less walking
10/04/2007 17:16:20 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
only if it's also got sticky fingers
10/04/2007 17:16:27 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
:-)
10/04/2007 17:16:29 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
In that it has hateful and complex needs and takes up way too much space, yes.
10/04/2007 17:16:44 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
but no diapers
10/04/2007 17:16:52 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
No, the shit goes everywhere.
10/04/2007 17:16:54 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
but it's so cute when it's sleeping
10/04/2007 17:16:56 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Anyway -
10/04/2007 17:16:57 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
ah
10/04/2007 17:17:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'd like to get the working group in big-time release testing mode.
10/04/2007 17:17:28 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
And I will shift to a twice-weekly release cycle.
10/04/2007 17:17:36 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
wow
10/04/2007 17:17:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
shall we divide the testing tasks up?
10/04/2007 17:17:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Yes.
10/04/2007 17:18:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Oh, crap! I had a question!
10/04/2007 17:18:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Before we continue -
10/04/2007 17:18:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Has anyone saved a file from the new OBO-Edit?
10/04/2007 17:18:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no
10/04/2007 17:18:26 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:18:30 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
no
10/04/2007 17:18:34 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
no
10/04/2007 17:18:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
You may have noticed the following new tags:
10/04/2007 17:18:48 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
created_by, modified_by, creation_date, modification_date
10/04/2007 17:18:52 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
didn't look that closely
10/04/2007 17:19:15 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The way that OBO-Edit is designed now, those tags will be written out whenever you save to OBO 1.2 format.
10/04/2007 17:19:21 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Is that okay?
10/04/2007 17:19:26 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
How does OBO-Edit 1.1 deal with the tags?
10/04/2007 17:19:36 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
It will round-trip them, but it won't add new ones.
10/04/2007 17:19:41 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
okay
10/04/2007 17:19:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Do I need to add the ability to disable these new tags?
10/04/2007 17:20:14 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I wonder if there will be squawking if they appear in the go file during testing
10/04/2007 17:20:18 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:20:23 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
we could stip them with a script if necessary
10/04/2007 17:20:27 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
so it might be safest to disable them until release
10/04/2007 17:20:34 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
true
10/04/2007 17:21:02 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
Yes; especially going back and forth to Oboedit 1
10/04/2007 17:21:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Should I just defer these until OBO 1.3 format?
10/04/2007 17:21:13 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
though we do need to bug test them
10/04/2007 17:21:30 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I could add OBO 1.3 as a potential output format - I think we know what the new features will be.
10/04/2007 17:21:55 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I think that this is a good plan.
10/04/2007 17:22:32 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
We would need to have the new specs to pass on to any of our SE's dealing with loading the GO into the dbs
10/04/2007 17:22:58 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
along with an implimentation date
10/04/2007 17:23:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Sorry, crashed again. I didn't see anything after Alex said "I think this is a good plan"
10/04/2007 17:23:46 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
need specs of 1.3 for distribution to SES responsible for loading GO into respective MOD dbs, and a time frame
10/04/2007 17:24:22 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
The wiki page that I'm calling the OBO 1.3 whiteboard is at:
10/04/2007 17:24:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO:_1.3_Whiteboard
10/04/2007 17:24:46 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I'd like to have the specification finalized (although not necessarily published) by the time I leave.
10/04/2007 17:24:57 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
When I leave, this will be entirely in Chris's hands.
10/04/2007 17:25:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I tend to trust you & Chris for all things format anyway.
10/04/2007 17:26:25 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Do we know of anyone desperate for term modification/creation time tracking?
10/04/2007 17:26:37 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
no
10/04/2007 17:26:43 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
And when is Chris being Googled?
10/04/2007 17:26:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
-)
10/04/2007 17:26:56 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
that was my thought too
10/04/2007 17:27:08 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Chris is likely to become the head of BBOP when Suzi retires. I don't think he's going anywhere.
10/04/2007 17:27:21 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Maybe we could move the go editorial office to google ...
10/04/2007 17:27:25 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
oh that would be good
10/04/2007 17:27:33 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I would like that :-)
10/04/2007 17:27:38 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
There's a good chance it will be at least 6 months before the consortium even adopts a time frame for adopting OBO 1.3
10/04/2007 17:27:51 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
So we should think carefully about whether this feature can wait that long.
10/04/2007 17:28:05 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
If no one's scared by that, then we can move on, though.
10/04/2007 17:28:05 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
does anybody need this feature?
10/04/2007 17:28:15 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
move on I think
10/04/2007 17:28:36 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
since we're getting to the end of time
10/04/2007 17:28:36 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Not that I know of ... (need the feature, that is)
10/04/2007 17:28:47 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Okay, let's come up with testing tasks -
10/04/2007 17:28:49 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
shoud you make a list of testing tasks and mail it
10/04/2007 17:28:51 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
yes
10/04/2007 17:28:52 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good
10/04/2007 17:29:10 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
shall we volunteer?
10/04/2007 17:29:19 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Does anybody want to vote on anything right now? If not, I'll send out the list and we can volunteer via email.
10/04/2007 17:29:24 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
good idea
10/04/2007 17:29:29 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
on the wiki maybe
10/04/2007 17:29:35 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
then we can all edit one copy
10/04/2007 17:29:35 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Good idea.
10/04/2007 17:29:42 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
hard to vote when we don't know how you'll divvy things up!
10/04/2007 17:29:45 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
I have already made the page
10/04/2007 17:29:47 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
I like the wiki idea
10/04/2007 17:29:51 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
Send out an email when it has been posted on the wiki.
10/04/2007 17:30:12 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
I don't know how I'm going to divvy it up either. I'll work on the wiki page when we're done.
10/04/2007 17:30:20 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
My clock says time is up.
10/04/2007 17:30:26 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit_2.000_Testing_Tasks
10/04/2007 17:30:29 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
yup
10/04/2007 17:30:42 PM from Jen Deegan to All Participants:
cheerio then and well done again. :-)
10/04/2007 17:30:49 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
So many features, so little time
10/04/2007 17:30:54 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Many thanks. I'll see you again soon.
10/04/2007 17:31:00 PM from John Day-Richter to All Participants:
Bye all.
10/04/2007 17:31:06 PM from Midori Harris to All Participants:
Thanks, and bye
10/04/2007 17:31:06 PM from Alexander Diehl to All Participants:
I saved the chat
10/04/2007 17:31:11 PM from hurdil to All Participants:
ok; bye