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09/09/2008 09:27:20 AM from melissaH : hi! 09/09/2008 09:27:23 AM from Nomi Harris : Good morning 09/09/2008 09:27:28 AM from midori : Hi all 09/09/2008 09:28:40 AM from Amina : Hi Midori 09/09/2008 09:29:09 AM from Amina : Can I send you some bug links on skype Midori 09/09/2008 09:29:24 AM from Amina : I'd like to get your views on these particular ones 09/09/2008 09:29:44 AM from midori : sure 09/09/2008 09:30:03 AM from Amina : webex doesn't work right on linux 09/09/2008 09:31:14 AM from Nomi Harris : We may have a small group today, since I forgot to send out the meeting announcement yesterday. 09/09/2008 09:31:19 AM from Nomi Harris : Hi, Karen. 09/09/2008 09:31:45 AM from midori : Jen's on vacation, too. 09/09/2008 09:31:58 AM from Nomi Harris : midori, I was hoping to hear whether you and Chris reached any interesting conclusions during his visit. 09/09/2008 09:32:08 AM from midori : Jane says hi, but she's gone home -- tied to the day care schedule nowadays. 09/09/2008 09:32:23 AM from midori : She's been trying out OE2, though, and put in a bug report. 09/09/2008 09:32:24 AM from Nomi Harris : I know how that is. 09/09/2008 09:32:28 AM from Nomi Harris : Yes, I saw her report. 09/09/2008 09:32:40 AM from Amina : So just to let everyone know: I was talking to midori about the "trim redundant links when integrating XPs" and "Remove all redundant relations" feature requests 09/09/2008 09:32:51 AM from midori : (I have to go at 6, and it looks like I'm gonna get rained on ...) 09/09/2008 09:32:56 AM from Karen : Hi all 09/09/2008 09:33:09 AM from Nomi Harris : I haven't been able to reproduce Jane's problem. 09/09/2008 09:33:19 AM from Nomi Harris : midori, before you go can you demo the "weird scrolling" bug to me? 09/09/2008 09:33:37 AM from midori : sure! 09/09/2008 09:34:08 AM from midori : It may be OE2's current intended behavior, but I'd love to see it changed, and I bet Jen would agree. 09/09/2008 09:34:21 AM from Nomi Harris : It doesn't sound intentional. It sounds wrong. 09/09/2008 09:34:33 AM from Nomi Harris : In any case, I'm not seeing it. 09/09/2008 09:34:56 AM from midori : for everyone else - we're talking about this: 09/09/2008 09:34:57 AM from midori : https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2051357&group_id=36855&atid=418257 09/09/2008 09:35:30 AM from midori : I showed Chris when he was here 09/09/2008 09:36:30 AM from Nomi Harris : Does anyone else have things to discuss, or can midori demo it right now? 09/09/2008 09:36:54 AM from midori : also showed him the parent editor bug and my overall arthritically slow OE2 09/09/2008 09:37:09 AM from midori : We chatted a bit about release prospects later, when Jane & Jen arrived. 09/09/2008 09:37:19 AM from midori : I'll demo any ol' time 09/09/2008 09:37:19 AM from Nomi Harris : Yes? 09/09/2008 09:37:30 AM from Nomi Harris : What were your thoughts about release prospects? 09/09/2008 09:37:59 AM from midori : We thought a release by the Oct. meeting was pie-in-the-sky, but about 3-6 monts might be realistic. 09/09/2008 09:38:11 AM from Nomi Harris : :-( 09/09/2008 09:38:21 AM from David OS : Wow - as long as that ? 09/09/2008 09:38:28 AM from Amina : yeah - we'll need some time for testing too 09/09/2008 09:38:29 AM from midori : Chris suggested getting an "uber-beta" ready by the meeting, so we could switch into testing overdrive thereafter. 09/09/2008 09:38:46 AM from Amina : Right - thats the goal at the moment 09/09/2008 09:38:51 AM from Nomi Harris : I'm not sure how that will be different from the normal betas. We're always striving to fix the most critical bugs. 09/09/2008 09:39:15 AM from Amina : Yeah as long as we have most of the high priority bugs fixed 09/09/2008 09:39:20 AM from Amina : by october 09/09/2008 09:39:40 AM from David OS : I'm finding the most recent releases pretty usable. Better than some of the full releases of OE1 09/09/2008 09:39:56 AM from midori : I guess we mean all features in place -- Jen mentioned finding things that she could do in OE1 but are either not present, not working, or hidden in OE2 09/09/2008 09:40:04 AM from midori : ... ask Jen for more details there. 09/09/2008 09:40:18 AM from Nomi Harris : Ok. 09/09/2008 09:40:20 AM from Amina : David: about the trim redundant links when integrating XPs bugs 09/09/2008 09:40:26 AM from David OS : Yes 09/09/2008 09:40:29 AM from David OS : ? 09/09/2008 09:40:47 AM from Amina : can you tell me about the filters your setting 09/09/2008 09:40:50 AM from midori : I have high hopes for b49. I'm more worried about doing thorough enough test ing. 09/09/2008 09:41:02 AM from Amina : or the work around that you and chris talked about 09/09/2008 09:41:09 AM from midori : (why does webex always insert a space when I delete a letter???) 09/09/2008 09:41:13 AM from Amina : I looked at the screenshots you put up 09/09/2008 09:41:32 AM from Amina : thanks for that 09/09/2008 09:42:07 AM from David OS : I think that for the released version - I may be able to do a filtered save which deletes redundant links. 09/09/2008 09:42:21 AM from Amina : yeah now that we have that fixed 09/09/2008 09:42:36 AM from Amina : is this still a priority 7 feature request 09/09/2008 09:43:06 AM from David OS : When I posted the request - filters weren't working on the OTE. They are now - so will try them again to see if this gives me a way to clean up the view. 09/09/2008 09:43:43 AM from David OS : I'll have a play ASAP and down grade the request if the filters and filtered save work. 09/09/2008 09:43:46 AM from Amina : yeah that would be helpful 09/09/2008 09:43:49 AM from Amina : thanks 09/09/2008 09:43:57 AM from Nomi Harris : Thanks, David. 09/09/2008 09:44:29 AM from Amina : Midori would the editors be interested in this feature too? 09/09/2008 09:45:44 AM from midori : I think so -- we're not quite at the stage where we would use that sort of thing for GO, but that's because we haven't made any cross-products "live" yet. Once we do, I think we'd want the same sort of ability to unclutter the display. 09/09/2008 09:46:03 AM from David OS : Much higher priority for me now is preventing dangling refs from showing up in the editor panels as blank terms (request 1918562) 09/09/2008 09:46:16 AM from Nomi Harris : I will look into that 09/09/2008 09:46:33 AM from David OS : I guess GO will also need this once they start doing XPs "live". 09/09/2008 09:46:37 AM from David OS : ? 09/09/2008 09:47:11 AM from midori : yup 09/09/2008 09:47:49 AM from Nomi Harris : Ready to do the demo, midori? 09/09/2008 09:48:03 AM from midori : yes ... coming to a screen near you 09/09/2008 09:48:03 AM from Nomi Harris : Remember, we won't see what you're typing while we're looking at your screen. 09/09/2008 09:50:32 AM from Nomi Harris : Are you done demoing? 09/09/2008 09:50:33 AM from midori : Sorry about the flailing around ... had to remember a term where I saw the jumping. 09/09/2008 09:50:42 AM from midori : Did you see what I mean? 09/09/2008 09:50:49 AM from Nomi Harris : Well, I couldn't see any jumping that wasn't just WebEx refreshing. 09/09/2008 09:51:00 AM from Nomi Harris : Every time you adjusted the size of the panels, the whole OE went blank and redrew. 09/09/2008 09:51:14 AM from Nomi Harris : So, no, I'm afraid I didn't see what you meant. 09/09/2008 09:51:25 AM from Amina : Well yeah that makes sense 09/09/2008 09:51:31 AM from Nomi Harris : Can you send me the sequence of terms that you clicked so I can try it myself? 09/09/2008 09:51:32 AM from Amina : it does do a panel redraw 09/09/2008 09:51:42 AM from Nomi Harris : It looked to me like it just scrolled to whatever you selected. 09/09/2008 09:51:43 AM from Amina : but it shouldn't go blank 09/09/2008 09:51:46 AM from Nomi Harris : On WebEx, that looks jumpy. 09/09/2008 09:51:46 AM from midori : Now that I've found one of my examples, I'll demo again. Watch what happens when I select one term, then shift-select some more. 09/09/2008 09:51:58 AM from Nomi Harris : Ok, I'll watch, but I think the WebEx jumpiness makes it hard to see. 09/09/2008 09:52:13 AM from Amina : the demo was quiet choppy because of the slow refresh rates 09/09/2008 09:53:38 AM from Nomi Harris : go ahead 09/09/2008 09:54:10 AM from midori : crud. It may be webex that prevents me showing you what I mean. But I tried to select three adjacent terms, and when I shift-clicked on the second, the display jumped somewhere else. 09/09/2008 09:54:28 AM from Nomi Harris : I didn't see the demo at all! My turquoise box for your screen stayed blank. 09/09/2008 09:54:35 AM from midori : trying again -- this time I'll hover the cursor over the terms for a while first. 09/09/2008 09:56:14 AM from midori : Was that any better at all? 09/09/2008 09:56:19 AM from Nomi Harris : Ok, that time I did see it jump somewhere weird. 09/09/2008 09:56:28 AM from midori : That's it! 09/09/2008 09:56:38 AM from Nomi Harris : I couldn't tell exactly what you were doing to cause it, though. Can you send me a step-by-step procedure? 09/09/2008 09:56:43 AM from midori : I expect to see the same "place" where I'm clicking. 09/09/2008 09:56:49 AM from Nomi Harris : I had tried many times shift-clicking other terms and it never scrolled weirdly like that. 09/09/2008 09:57:17 AM from Amina : Is it taking time to redraw when you scroll quickly 09/09/2008 09:57:18 AM from Amina : ? 09/09/2008 09:57:45 AM from midori : 0. for this demo, I used the three children of GO:0051926 09/09/2008 09:57:52 AM from midori : 1. Select a term. 09/09/2008 09:58:22 AM from midori : 2. Shift-click another term, which selects a contiguous block of terms. 09/09/2008 09:58:56 AM from Nomi Harris : 1. Select a term: in the OTE or from the search results? 09/09/2008 09:59:00 AM from midori : 3. Watch while the OTE display shows you some other part of the ontology. Scroll back to where the selected terms show up in a block. 09/09/2008 09:59:15 AM from Nomi Harris : 2. Which term did you shift-click? 09/09/2008 09:59:39 AM from Nomi Harris : I need you to be really specific, because I've tried that generic sequence of operations many times without seeing the weird scrolling. 09/09/2008 10:01:03 AM from midori : First, I searched for GO:0051926, then I opened up its child terms - GO:0010523, GO:0032235, and GO:0051927. 09/09/2008 10:01:16 AM from midori : In step 1 I selected GO:0010523. 09/09/2008 10:01:27 AM from midori : Then I shift-clicked on GO:0051927. 09/09/2008 10:01:43 AM from Nomi Harris : Great. I'll try that later. I know you need to go now. 09/09/2008 10:01:49 AM from midori : Thanks! 09/09/2008 10:01:59 AM from midori : I'm gonna get wet ... 09/09/2008 10:02:02 AM from Nomi Harris : Sorry! 09/09/2008 10:02:22 AM from midori : Oh well, that's the British summer for ya. 09/09/2008 10:02:30 AM from Nomi Harris : Does anyone else have things to discuss? 09/09/2008 10:03:13 AM from David OS : One quick thing 09/09/2008 10:03:16 AM from Karen : I just tried and I can duplicate Midori's result from those instructions, think I'm up-to-date with the latest beta 09/09/2008 10:03:26 AM from Nomi Harris : Ok 09/09/2008 10:03:56 AM from David OS : I have an annoying intermittent bug - seen on two different linux boxes with multiple beta releases: 09/09/2008 10:04:02 AM from midori : Bye for now! 09/09/2008 10:04:18 AM from Amina : go ahead David 09/09/2008 10:04:23 AM from Amina : bye Midori 09/09/2008 10:04:38 AM from David OS : SOmetimes I can't type in a box unless I detach that box from the main window 09/09/2008 10:04:54 AM from Nomi Harris : What do you mean by "box"? A component, or a text box? 09/09/2008 10:04:55 AM from David OS : I mean - detach the sub-window into a separate window 09/09/2008 10:04:58 AM from Nomi Harris : Ah. 09/09/2008 10:04:59 AM from Amina : Do you see this only on linux 09/09/2008 10:05:13 AM from David OS : I only really edit on linux nowadays 09/09/2008 10:05:14 AM from Nomi Harris : I have never seen that--have you, Amina? 09/09/2008 10:05:19 AM from Amina : Right - you mean undocking it 09/09/2008 10:05:22 AM from David OS : so not sure if it happens elsewhere 09/09/2008 10:05:22 AM from Nomi Harris : Which components have you seen this with? 09/09/2008 10:05:25 AM from Nomi Harris : Search? 09/09/2008 10:05:26 AM from David OS : yes undocking 09/09/2008 10:05:37 AM from Amina : No I haven't seen it either 09/09/2008 10:05:38 AM from David OS : seach and texteditor 09/09/2008 10:06:12 AM from Nomi Harris : If you can come up with a reproducible set of conditions or operations that causes it, please let us know. 09/09/2008 10:06:17 AM from Nomi Harris : Also, you can file a bug report. 09/09/2008 10:06:24 AM from Amina : It doesn't happen on OSX and Windows for sure 09/09/2008 10:06:30 AM from Nomi Harris : Since we don't have access to a Sun, it's going to be hard for us to test/fix this, unfortunately. 09/09/2008 10:06:35 AM from Amina : You think its your windowing manager 09/09/2008 10:06:46 AM from Amina : what flavor of linux are you running 09/09/2008 10:06:58 AM from David OS : DOn't worry about the Sun thing - rarely use my SUn with OE 09/09/2008 10:07:14 AM from David OS : 2 machines: 1 redhat, the other Ubuntu 09/09/2008 10:07:28 AM from Amina : I develop and test on ubuntu 09/09/2008 10:07:45 AM from Amina : David try: metacity --replace 09/09/2008 10:07:46 AM from David OS : didn't file a bug report yet because it's intemittent. 09/09/2008 10:07:56 AM from Nomi Harris : Still worth filing, just note that it's intermittent. 09/09/2008 10:08:02 AM from Nomi Harris : Those kinds of bugs can be hard to track down. 09/09/2008 10:08:09 AM from Amina : Ubuntu compiz has a weird drawing bug 09/09/2008 10:08:16 AM from Nomi Harris : compiz? 09/09/2008 10:09:20 AM from Amina : compiz is the window manager for the X window system 09/09/2008 10:09:54 AM from Amina : the ubuntu GUI tha t is in broad terms 09/09/2008 10:10:14 AM from Amina : David did you try metacity --replace 09/09/2008 10:10:37 AM from Amina : Since its intermittent guess it would be hard to tell if that fixes it 09/09/2008 10:11:17 AM from David OS : tried it on my laptop (Ubuntu). As it's intemittent I'll have to work for some tiem to know whether it's fixed. 09/09/2008 10:12:08 AM from Amina : ok 09/09/2008 10:12:15 AM from Nomi Harris : Are we done? 09/09/2008 10:12:38 AM from Tanya : <just lurking here> 09/09/2008 10:12:44 AM from Amina : sounds like its a drawing bug - not a OE bug per say 09/09/2008 10:13:19 AM from melissaH : <I've been lurking too- haven't done any editing for a while> 09/09/2008 10:13:28 AM from Amina : David you could also try setting AWTTookit=MToolkit 09/09/2008 10:13:55 AM from Amina : I'll email you some information on that 09/09/2008 10:14:28 AM from David OS : OK. Cheers Amina. 09/09/2008 10:14:33 AM from Nomi Harris : Until next week... 09/09/2008 10:14:35 AM from Nomi Harris : Bye all 09/09/2008 10:14:38 AM from David OS : Bye 09/09/2008 10:14:46 AM from Karen : bye