OE Webex 25Nov08

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11/25/2008 09:29:29 AM from Amina Abdulla: Hi Harold
11/25/2008 09:31:26 AM from Nomi Harris: Good morning
11/25/2008 09:31:33 AM from midori: hi all
11/25/2008 09:31:38 AM from Nomi Harris: You have a conflict, Harold?
11/25/2008 09:32:00 AM from Amina Abdulla: Hi everyone
11/25/2008 09:32:09 AM from midori: Harold's conflicted ...
11/25/2008 09:32:11 AM from David OS: Hiya
11/25/2008 09:32:35 AM from Amina Abdulla: Jen has a class and won't be joining in today
11/25/2008 09:33:02 AM from Amina Abdulla: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/Oewg_20081125#Discussion_items
11/25/2008 09:33:04 AM from midori: she's very keen on conflict resolution these days
11/25/2008 09:33:17 AM from melissaH: Hi there
11/25/2008 09:33:29 AM from Amina Abdulla: Hi melissa
11/25/2008 09:33:42 AM from Amina Abdulla: Have you tried using b51 yet?
11/25/2008 09:34:22 AM from melissaH: not yet, sorry
11/25/2008 09:34:23 AM from midori: just for a few minutes today, yes
11/25/2008 09:34:30 AM from Tanya Berardini: not yet
11/25/2008 09:34:39 AM from David OS: only briefly
11/25/2008 09:35:24 AM from Amina Abdulla: ok well hopefully this release on you can switch to OE2
11/25/2008 09:35:53 AM from melissaH: I am planning on it!
11/25/2008 09:35:54 AM from Amina Abdulla: Great - David I should be making another release soon with the save decendants working
11/25/2008 09:36:51 AM from David OS: Excellent. But ...My first XP commit test in b51 just failed :( (sorry to add a downer - but this bug is really driving me crazy....)
11/25/2008 09:36:59 AM from Amina Abdulla: So folks - please enter agenda items on the wiki whenever you please. the wiki is setup for meetings till the end of the year
11/25/2008 09:37:04 AM from midori: drat
11/25/2008 09:37:14 AM from Amina Abdulla: Right I haven't changed that for b51
11/25/2008 09:37:44 AM from Amina Abdulla: Hopefully there will be an improvement in b52
11/25/2008 09:38:17 AM from Amina Abdulla: We have a big holiday coming up this week - so maybe b52 will be out early next week
11/25/2008 09:38:20 AM from David OS: OK. Cool . Look forward to testing save descendants too as this will make importing foreign terms much easier.
11/25/2008 09:38:58 AM from David OS: Not do much editing this week. So no big deal to wait another week
11/25/2008 09:39:02 AM from David OS: doing
11/25/2008 09:39:22 AM from Amina Abdulla: ok great - will keep you posted
11/25/2008 09:39:24 AM from Nomi Harris: The download page used to have a little clipboard icon that showed you the release notes, but I don't see it on the new version
11/25/2008 09:39:51 AM from Amina Abdulla: I checked that yesterday - the changes log shows up there for me
11/25/2008 09:39:59 AM from Nomi Harris: Where?
11/25/2008 09:40:40 AM from Amina Abdulla: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=36855
11/25/2008 09:41:03 AM from Amina Abdulla: is this the clipboard icon your referring to Nomi?
11/25/2008 09:41:18 AM from Nomi Harris: Yes--I was looking at http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=36855&package_id=148487 and that has no clipboard icon.
11/25/2008 09:42:29 AM from Amina Abdulla: There is one - right at the top - next to the name oboedit2.000b51
11/25/2008 09:43:16 AM from Nomi Harris: Huh, I just reloaded and the clipboards appeared. They weren't there before. Never mind!
11/25/2008 09:43:37 AM from Amina Abdulla: It still shows 0 downloads
11/25/2008 09:43:40 AM from midori: maybe they just added them back ... I've seen weirder things happen on S F
11/25/2008 09:43:52 AM from midori: I think it only updates the download count once a day
11/25/2008 09:44:08 AM from Amina Abdulla: ic ok - I downloaded it last night too
11/25/2008 09:44:18 AM from Nomi Harris: The download counts have been broken for a while.
11/25/2008 09:44:32 AM from Amina Abdulla: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit
11/25/2008 09:44:42 AM from Amina Abdulla: I reorganized the wiki pages a little bit
11/25/2008 09:45:02 AM from Amina Abdulla: The main agenda for today will be testing tasks and Midori will be leading that discussion
11/25/2008 09:45:36 AM from midori: I'l try .... I'm at home, and the network connection has gone agonizingly slow.
11/25/2008 09:45:56 AM from Amina Abdulla: I've put up a broad outline for testing and the sub tasks will have to be filled in subsequently
11/25/2008 09:46:23 AM from Amina Abdulla: http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit_2.0_Testing_Tasks
11/25/2008 09:46:51 AM from midori: My job is to make sure someone volunteers -- or gets volunteered, if it comes to that -- for each task (as well as helping with the actual testing)
11/25/2008 09:47:54 AM from Amina Abdulla: Also, http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/OBO-Edit:_OBO-Edit_2.0_Feature_Request_Prioritization is out of date
11/25/2008 09:48:01 AM from midori: So if everyone goes and claims things, and we get them all assigned, I won't have to play "bad cop".
11/25/2008 09:48:32 AM from midori: (on the test list, I mean)
11/25/2008 09:50:01 AM from midori: Go ahead and edit the wiki to claim tests, or email me if you prefer.
11/25/2008 09:50:33 AM from Amina Abdulla: It would also help if 2-3 members signed up for the same task
11/25/2008 09:50:52 AM from midori: Yes, and if those 2 or 3 are using different OSs, even better.
11/25/2008 09:51:31 AM from Amina Abdulla: Right - that will be rigorous testing on all platforms
11/25/2008 09:51:31 AM from midori: One more thing: part of testing is making sure the documenation (user guide) is up to scratch for whatever you're testing.
11/25/2008 09:52:11 AM from midori: I think I have a fun day or three updating screenshots in my future, tho I might wait until we're a bit closer to the actual release.
11/25/2008 09:52:34 AM from melissaH: hey thanks for doing such a nice job with the testing list
11/25/2008 09:53:15 AM from Amina Abdulla: Yeah lets hold off on the screenshots for now
11/25/2008 09:54:02 AM from Amina Abdulla: Thanks melissa I just tried to put up a broad outline
11/25/2008 09:55:24 AM from Amina Abdulla: I'll put in estimated time once we have the bugs and features in
11/25/2008 09:55:56 AM from midori: I'll email the wg list to remind us to claim testing tasks (and maybe catch one or two more people). Can we try to stake claims by the end of this week?
11/25/2008 09:56:18 AM from melissaH: US is largely on holiday this week/
11/25/2008 09:56:57 AM from midori: oh crud, forgot, cos of course they don't do thxg here (and my American friend did her annual dinner this past weekend)
11/25/2008 09:57:05 AM from David OS: OK. Claiming some now - partly on the basis of where i already know there are bugs but haven't gotten round to reporting them yet. May not get chance to complete tests before next week though.
11/25/2008 09:57:22 AM from midori: OK, updated deadline: about a week form today, which gives you early next week too.
11/25/2008 09:57:45 AM from midori: Note that I'm not trying to impose a deadline for doing the testing!
11/25/2008 09:58:03 AM from Amina Abdulla: great David. Would be great if you could look at the documentation later on too
11/25/2008 09:58:27 AM from Amina Abdulla: As long as its a constant process
11/25/2008 09:59:21 AM from midori: I think we should have a testing deadline, but it shouldn't be too soon (and it's not a huge deal if it slips a bit; I just want to keep OE2 near the front of our minds)
11/25/2008 09:59:36 AM from David OS: "fraid I can't promise to do much on documentation until the new year. Grant report deadline looming.
11/25/2008 10:00:00 AM from midori: End of this calendar year? (Unless you have a decent excuse, like a grant deadline)
11/25/2008 10:00:06 AM from David OS: testing I can do as part of editing in OE2
11/25/2008 10:01:09 AM from Amina Abdulla: o ok. Thats what we need most at the moment.
11/25/2008 10:01:17 AM from midori: yup
11/25/2008 10:02:53 AM from midori: Who's supposed to update the feature priority page? Amina, us, or both?
11/25/2008 10:03:47 AM from Amina Abdulla: I'll need some input from you guys
11/25/2008 10:04:14 AM from Amina Abdulla: The TODO it out of date too - I'll update that one with my current tasks
11/25/2008 10:04:33 AM from Amina Abdulla: That way everyone is in the loop with whats in the pipeline
11/25/2008 10:04:52 AM from midori: ok
11/25/2008 10:06:51 AM from Amina Abdulla: The bugs tracker is up to date and I'm ok with the ones I'm currently working on
11/25/2008 10:07:19 AM from Amina Abdulla: Would anyone like to give a demo or talk about a trick/ work around
11/25/2008 10:09:10 AM from midori: like I did with the parent editor a few meetings ago?
11/25/2008 10:09:19 AM from midori: (not it, since I did the last one ;) )
11/25/2008 10:10:19 AM from David OS: I've been playing with rendering alot recently. I could show you the renders I'm using for working with XPs...
11/25/2008 10:10:43 AM from Amina Abdulla: Yeah that sounds interesting - go ahead David
11/25/2008 10:11:24 AM from David OS: Just running the reasoner. Bit slow from my laptop.
11/25/2008 10:13:06 AM from Amina Abdulla: yeah im sure its the laptop :)
11/25/2008 10:14:52 AM from David OS: Can you see it?
11/25/2008 10:15:02 AM from melissaH: it was there, now its a brown box

11/25/2008 10:15:21 AM from midori: I did, before David switched back to the chat window
11/25/2008 10:16:04 AM from David OS: XP terms in green. Terms with multiple parents in turquoise. Terms with no is_a parent in red.
11/25/2008 10:16:08 AM from Amina Abdulla: Yes
11/25/2008 10:16:32 AM from Amina Abdulla: David can you go a bit slow - webex has a lag
11/25/2008 10:16:32 AM from melissaH: I can see the TE, but what ever you are sizing now is the brown box
11/25/2008 10:16:51 AM from David OS: It's like a game to reduce the number of terms in red and turquoise. And the number ofr non-dotted links (inferred
11/25/2008 10:16:56 AM from David OS: OK will try to share again
11/25/2008 10:17:27 AM from Amina Abdulla: It takes a while to redraw in webex and thats when we see the brown/yellow box
11/25/2008 10:17:53 AM from David OS: Did that work?
11/25/2008 10:17:58 AM from midori: Harold - yes, that would be cool
11/25/2008 10:18:09 AM from melissaH: I saw the render control, but I still see a brown box. sorry!

11/25/2008 10:18:10 AM from Tanya Berardini: nope :( still yellow box of mystery
11/25/2008 10:18:33 AM from David OS: One more time?
11/25/2008 10:18:46 AM from Amina Abdulla: Harold are you sending the message to All Attendees or participants?
11/25/2008 10:19:12 AM from Amina Abdulla: David yes - I saw the renderers but it froze right after that
11/25/2008 10:19:49 AM from midori: Harold - change to "all participants" so Amina can see your comments.
11/25/2008 10:20:06 AM from midori: (on planet webex, the host isn't an attendee)
11/25/2008 10:20:35 AM from David OS: OK - that'll have to do. Hope at least some of you could see. Not earth shattering, but very useful
11/25/2008 10:21:15 AM from midori: If you save the renderer settings and email them to the list, some of us could try them out.
11/25/2008 10:21:22 AM from David OS: I've also been combining this with more complicated filtering so that I can be sure I've completed a section of the ontology properly.
11/25/2008 10:21:30 AM from David OS: Sure. Will do
11/25/2008 10:21:30 AM from Harold: ok; Amina I made a comment about how it would be nice if any color you set up in the filters could transfer to one of the graph viewers
11/25/2008 10:21:51 AM from midori: that's what I said sounded cool
11/25/2008 10:22:49 AM from Harold: but that might be too much to impliment in this release I suspect
11/25/2008 10:22:52 AM from Amina Abdulla: Yeah thats a god idea Harold
11/25/2008 10:22:55 AM from Amina Abdulla: good
11/25/2008 10:23:12 AM from Amina Abdulla: David thanks - I'd like to try it out too
11/25/2008 10:23:41 AM from David OS: Yeh - saving colours might be good. That way someone with more taste than me could choose a good colour scheme.
11/25/2008 10:24:23 AM from melissaH: it was kinda ocean-y....
11/25/2008 10:24:30 AM from midori: I always try to stay out of the color discussions ;)
11/25/2008 10:24:42 AM from David OS: me too
11/25/2008 10:26:54 AM from David OS: We done?
11/25/2008 10:26:54 AM from Amina Abdulla: I'd also like to do a poll wether we should have a new OE2 icon
11/25/2008 10:27:31 AM from Harold: ooo you know how it went with the regulates icons 80
11/25/2008 10:27:33 AM from Nomi Harris: Who would design it?
11/25/2008 10:28:01 AM from Amina Abdulla: We could look at ideas within the group first
11/25/2008 10:28:04 AM from Tanya Berardini: might be a huge time sink
11/25/2008 10:28:30 AM from Amina Abdulla: yeah could be. Chris if you think of something let us know
11/25/2008 10:28:36 AM from Tanya Berardini: (yes, I am remembering the regulates icons)
11/25/2008 10:28:51 AM from David OS: Well - I'll send out useful render filters and you can all choose your own colours...
11/25/2008 10:28:54 AM from Amina Abdulla: I don't know the regulates icon story
11/25/2008 10:28:56 AM from midori: I like staying out of icon debates too ...
11/25/2008 10:29:10 AM from Amina Abdulla: alright Thanks David
11/25/2008 10:29:29 AM from Harold: let's just say it was long
11/25/2008 10:29:45 AM from Amina Abdulla: ok :)
11/25/2008 10:30:03 AM from Amina Abdulla: Should we end now?
11/25/2008 10:30:21 AM from Harold: yah
11/25/2008 10:30:27 AM from midori: well, I oughta go
11/25/2008 10:30:39 AM from melissaH: yep me too. bye, thanks!
11/25/2008 10:30:39 AM from Nomi Harris: Bye all. Happy Thanksgiving.
11/25/2008 10:30:45 AM from midori: bye!
11/25/2008 10:30:49 AM from Amina Abdulla: Thanks for coming everyone. Keep up the awesome work with the bug tracker !
11/25/2008 10:30:51 AM from David OS: Me too. Happy thanksgiving.
11/25/2008 10:30:59 AM from Harold: gobble gobble
11/25/2008 10:31:05 AM from Tanya Berardini: :)
11/25/2008 10:31:06 AM from Amina Abdulla: bye all. Happy Thanksgiving!
11/25/2008 10:31:08 AM from Tanya Berardini: bye